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You're right. For example, I didn't really like seeing the protests, it bothered me on some level but not to the point I stopped watching. My brother, who's not as rabid of a Bills fan that I am, stopped watching. He just didn't want to watch and felt strong enough about it to find something else to do - and in fact called and said I'm not going to buy your sons anything Bills related this year for Christmas, which he normally does. We live in Charlotte and he'll usually find something cool to get them. The players didn't feel the immediate financial impact because it didn't trickle down to them but the NFL did. Kim answered the question beautifully. Understand the impact you as players had on the business before it eventually effects you or effects you more. Obviously everyone has the right to say, I understand or don't care to understand the impact because either way I feel morally obligated to follow through. Then in that scenario the person is willing to accept any consequences that come their way.

Nucci and buff atl boy answered you adequately.

You're missing an important point though which is the actual problem from a business perspective only. The significant amount of customers didn't like it and it cost the business money. So it's much more than just performing job duties and owners being ok with it - heck they could even agree - but if it eventually effects what funds the business it has to be addressed.

Everything has to be explained to you today, haha. Don't go nuts, just kidding. I know you know what they're protesting about - I think you just disagree that's it's true. I think you pretended not to know, so you could say, they're protesting about something that's not factual. That's ok, I'm just sayin'

C'mon nucci, you're smarter than that. I'm not saying who's right or wrong but he's baiting you into saying this - when it's really about whether it's true or not. edit: told ya

I think that's the point she was trying to make. The NFL players protests hurt business. It's not about debating the veracity of the protests itself but understanding through communication, what impact it had on business. Getting the players to understand the impact on business, each individual organization and the community good or bad is a necessary conversation in order to compromise. It's larger than "my protest is more important than any damage it causes". While that can be seen as controversial or noble by the public isn't the point of this particular angle. This is about attempting to compromise through communication so that voices can be heard and business can still thrive.

Smoke screen - you have to give Beane credit for trying.

Very smart of Beane to use the media to get this out there.

Welcome to the league minimum Gary with some incentives contract.

Sounds like he captured the essence of a roast. It's cruel in a joking way but with some truth in there that gives that - oh my God did he just say that?

For real?

For a Traded Up for QB - everybody now

I'm a little disappointed this thread isn't about Kirk Cousins but oh well. Does she think your tractor's sexy, Boyst?

You didn't say new era until you were proven wrong. When did the "new era" begin with this height of a QB not mattering? Was it with Brees or Wilson? There's a 10 year gap there between when they began playing. New era - you're adorable.

This has already been discussed but I'll repeat myself. I forgot Mayfield measured in at the Senior Bowl at just over 6'. Wilson and Brees both have massive hands at 10.25" so they have one number (height) they over came. Rodgers has small hands too but he's a bit taller. I think when you're challenged on two very important physical traits it's something you have to overcome. It's not nothin'. Let's also temper putting Russ Wilson in the same company as Rodgers and Brees - at least not yet, he's got some work to do. I like Josh Allen personally. e·ra ˈirə,ˈerə/a long and distinct period of history with a particular feature or characteristic. I guess I got hung up on knowing exactly what the word means. Era means exactly what I said and actually not how you are trying to define it at all. Don't make things up to make yourself feel better. I never said he cannot succeed - I said he has barriers which is an obstacle. Disadvantage is extremely similar. So there is a difference from what you speak of above but it's not what I said. Lucky for you, if he does fail, there's no way to measure if or how much his height and hand size (which you conveniently, consistently leave out of your posts) contributed. You don't think he'd be considered up there with Rosen and Darnold if he was 6'4"?

I'm not trying to get you to buy anything but you're just not going to convince me I'm wrong. If Mayfield was 6'4" he'd be the #1 QB on the board and the first QB taken and you know it. I mean I get that you think it's BS but not everyone has to or does. It's a different Era? Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round in this era. This makes absolutely no sense to me. "No one is going to deny that size can create advantages or disadvantages for a QB. HOWEVER, its a complete fallacy and myth to put size as a determining criteria on why a player succeeded or failed when their height falls into the range of successful QB's." No one is going to deny it but it's a complete fallacy and myth? I don't even know what that means. You again dismiss the large portion of my argument so I assume you have no answer. If Mayfield doesn't succeed and the Bills traded 3 first round picks or 2 firsts and a 2nd and/or 3rd - You don't think it'll deserve criticism? How the heck do you know it won't be because he got balls batted down, couldn't see so ran out of the pocket or because his small hands won't allow him to throw an NFL football well enough? Let's sum it up so we don't have to go back and forth. He could end up being great and there's physical challenges that can't be ignored, IMO. You believe he has no physical challenges and either will succeed or not succeed based on factors exclusively outside of physical. I agree to disagree.

I certainly think this is possible Yolo - just as QB's in the past have expressed their desire not to play for certain teams. Sometimes it's work and other times it hasn't. You'd really need to have some massive leverage though to attempt this. You're also costing yourself about 1.5 million from 1st overall to 2nd - about 3.4 million from 1st overall to 4th - and about 16.5 million from 1st overall to 12th.

I forgot he measured in at just over 6' at the senior bowl but don't even pretend that's not a barrier - it most certainly is. You however completely dismissed 3/4th's of my argument because you got all emotional. Yes, Brees and Wilson are around the same height but they have massive hands at 10.25" and Mayfields are 9.5" - that's also a barrier. The NFL ball from everything I could find is slightly larger - which is why hand size is scrutinized so heavily. There have been players with more height and smaller hands that have succeeded in the NFL but rarely do they have both measurements going against them like Baker. Brees was a second rounder that was dismissed by his drafted team and really only took off as one of the best when he joined the Saints. He's developed into one of the best ever and at his height is an anomaly not an example of many. Wilson was a 3rd round pick who's had 2 excellent years statistically. We'll likely have to give up significant draft picks to move up and get Baker and I think it's foolish with the barriers he'll likely need to overcome. I'd gladly take a shot at him in the 2nd or 3rd round like the NFL comparisons you've provided. I've said it - he might end up being great but he's no doubt a risk.

This me too thing isn't working.

He might be the next great QB who the heck knows - but I'm not trading up and giving up multiple picks to draft a 5'11" QB with little bitty hands. He might make it but I don't want to take the risk with him - it's a massive thing to overcome.

I want NaVorro Bowman until we can draft a young MLB.

Good point. That would very much make sense.

Can I interest you in a nightcap or don't you wear those?

Are you serious?

As imperfect as the process is, of course this will be a large part of their determination.