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It's very difficult to argue this.

I do feel like the large majority of these pro-tyrod posts end up being all over the place. He did very little to instill confidence in me in tight games, especially in second half drives after the defense gave up a score. It seems that when we absolutely needed him to make a play, it wasn't there. You can trot out plenty of stats, blame the defense, that's all fine - but I saw the offense crumble in key situations all season as well. It's not all Tyrod's fault, but he didn't really step it up and become the gamer a lot of you pretend that he is.

Can we see them coach a game first? I get it, it's not Rex Ryan's bloated staff, but I am shocked that so many will give the benefit of the doubt. This is the Bills we're talking about here.

at least crayonz was funny

He genuinely did not look like the same QB he once was.

It really is. This is one where I'm not joining in on the joke. This is a guy who had 9 TD's as a rookie, and by all accounts could have been an All-Pro RB. So much talent... out the window. It blows my mind when some of these guys can't seem to focus at all.

This thread is going to be crazy, but I'll throw in my two cents: When they kept Russ Brandon/Berchtold, I hated it, but understood why you would want to see how the operation runs and evaluate it. When they hired Rex Ryan, I hated it and as the story of how it went down surfaced, I started to question their ownership. When they promoted Russ Brandon to basically run PS&E and all their sports teams, they lost me. I think they mean well and prefer that to a cheap owner, but I think they've made massive organizational mistakes, the likes of which only have served to extend our drought and constant dysfunctional tendencies. They do seem to be learning and adapting, which I admire. I also give them respect for cutting loose with Rex and eating that contract. It takes a man to admit when they're wrong, and though it set us back, I am grateful we're not wondering how Rex will find ways to lose next season.

One of my favorite players. I really feel bad for him for the way his career turned out. His attitude seemed perfect for the team and I always thought he would have filled a WR role admirably.

Quick Hits: Undrafted player Turns 28 in April Started 4 games his first two seasons (with KC) In 2015 he went to the Pro Bowl and was second-team All Pro Pro Football Reference graded him out as the best FB that year He doesn't get many touches, a blocking FB (7 catches last year, 1 rushing attempt in his career)

I hope they use bubble wrap when they fly him across the country.

To clarify, it's even worse: The Bills have taken Two 1st RD QB's in the last 33 years. I'd like to make sure everyone is equipped with that knowledge before again, quite mindlessly explaining that we again need to wait until next year. Doing that is why we never have a franchise QB. I said it earlier, but I'll say it again because it applies so well to this damn team, The best time to grow a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is now. Some of you want to wait until next harvest, and that's exactly how we end up where we are.

That's great news. Let's keep him. Why don't you like Robert Woods? You can draft a WR in the mid rounds AND keep Woods.

We don't really post new threads when radio talk show hosts have opinions. I'd like to think I'm not alone in saying this, but I don't want the front page at TSW to be a flood of Howard Simon/Mike Schopp tweets.

Yeah, Woods has a different, much needed skillset of a reliable possession receiver with a knack for getting difficult YAC. What's your point?

It's not illogical to predict we miss the playoffs, but I guess I'll revise my post to simply...okay, let's say we miss the playoffs again. I'm sure Tyrod will dance around all the blame and that's fine, but now what? Without a QB waiting in the wings I don't understand what we're to expect? Do we ride Taylor until he's 30+? Edit*: I should point out for millionth time here, that I don't mind this restructure at all...my "angst" is that no one seems to also want to draft a QB. No need to misinterpret what I'm really trying to get at and focus exclusively on another Tyrod evaluation, I'm not interested in that - we know what we have in him.

That's the part you picked from my post? The part where I predicted we don't make the playoffs, as if that's so unreasonable to expect...

I mean... isn't every team in "win-now" mode? This isn't the NHL. Losing Woods and wasting a draft pick to replace him is a very Billsy thing to do (See: Winfield > Clements > McKelvin > Gilmore, Henry > McGahee > Lynch > Spiller).

Okay, so hypothetically Tyrod plays exactly as well as he did last year...resulting in another season without the playoffs. Now what? Who did you groom? How ready are you to handle the future? Just try it again, fourth time is a charm? I really don't understand how, after literally witnessing the greatest example over the past 20 years that QB is the most crucial position to a team's success, Bills fans still want their team to avoid drafting them. We've taken exactly two QB's in the first round in the last 33 years. TWO!! It's MIND NUMBING to me that there are still people that think drafting a QB is not the answer every year until we strike gold. MIND NUMBING.

It seems that everyone wants us to skip drafting a QB this year... I feel like I'm in a god damn twilight zone episode.

It's been posted. It's a restructure. Cap down from 16mil to under 10 mil. Looks like it's a 5-year deal where after year 3 it's year-to-year.

They'll probably say that next year.

So another year not trying to take a QB in the draft... Why is everyone okay with this? I'm sick of, "this year's QB draft isn't great, wait 'til next year". I feel like I read that EVERY YEAR! Don't fall for that crap and take QB's! Why is this so complicated!?

Yeah McCoy owes all his success to Tyrod...

God, I hate this. You're allowed to be upset at your team when they fail to make the playoffs for nearly 20 years. Some of us have groaned over the last few coaching hires and starting QB's. It's not about "being right". I would love to be wrong, but a lot these decisions are becoming mind-numbingly predictable. Mind you, I do not think Whaley made the wrong decision here...I'm merely voicing my discomfort at the possibility that he may forego draft a QB with a top pick now.