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Ahhh yes, the final 5 games of 2004. A tremendous run we went on to finish that year, until...

This should be a weekly thread.

We were 5-2 because of Fred Jackson. People forget how dominant he was to start that season. He had 6 100+ yard rushing games in the first 9 games and got injured early week 10. I think that played a big role in our team falling apart. He wasn't just our best player on offense, but the locker room leader as well.

I love Eric Moulds, but McCoy has had a much greater impact on the game. It's not even close.

He was They barely played him the first 5 weeks of the season. I really don't want to be getting to a point where I'm defending Dareus because he's not exactly my favorite player, but... he didn't look that bad. We should have let him play out the year. If he was such a locker room cancer we should have done this before the year began.

Again, if that's the case why did they have him to start the season then?? If all we could get was a 6th round pick, and we were okay with that, then we should have pulled the trigger in the offseason. If he was such a locker room cancer, why let him hang around for 6 games. We mistakenly felt urgency in the trade deadline and went for it now, which I don't understand. At this point, we should have let him finish the season. The 6th will be there after the season.

I think that's pretty obvious, huh? I'm saying there's only 10 games left in the season. The suspension thing is a risk, not doubting that for a second, but if you felt that strongly about the suspension possibility than we should have done this before the year began. Again, I think this was a lose-lose situation for Beane, but for a 6th I'd have just taken the risk and held on to Dareus as DT depth as we make a run.

Yeah but like...so what? It's been that way for a while now.

You know, I've only been thinking about this for 15 minutes so this might not be right, but...I agree with you. There's a lot of people trusting the ever living sh** out of the process right now, but honestly, this is a bad trade. It's not bad because we got rid of Dareus on the cheap and "got rid of" his massive contract, it's bad because there was a greater value in having Dareus for the final 10 games of the season than a 6th round pick. Beane couldn't figure out to get rid of him for more than a 6th? Fine, looks like we'll have to keep him and call teams again in the offseason. The savings were not great enough to do it mid-season like this. We are going to be hurt by Dareus no matter what, and he's a better player on the field than his issues and contract problems if we're talking about only a 6th in return.

It was a lose-lose situation. I'd rather take a chance on keeping him through the season. If we made a run for the playoffs and had a need for DT depth...it's not like he isn't a former all-pro or anything.

...that's not really that great considering we only get a 6th round pick. This is such a tough spot to be in for the Bills. It was lose-lose.

It's a pretty hard to swallow for sure. If the reports are true that they were trying all season to unload him, and this is the best they could get...

This will get buried, but my initial reaction: I'm not remotely mad at the team, but the NFL has a real asset supply and demand problem when a 27 year old All-Pro, 2x Pro Bowl DT can be traded away for a 6th round pick. The cap plays into it heavily, but only so much. All of his suspension issues aside, if he plays up to his abilities he can easily be one of the best defensive players in the game. The NFL can be incredibly frustrating in this regard.

Didn't you say you hated Dareus and wish we had cut him?

See the thing is... there are places I go to talk about social issues. When it comes to football, I see nothing but talking points and bad political discourse. There's never been a comment I've seen in a football forum that's helped reshape the way I feel about a social topic. That's not even saying that I'm actively trying to be close-minded or that I'm being difficult, it's just this isn't the proper mechanism for it. We're more divided now than ever before and some of us watch football to get away from that.

Absolutely walk away. It's the only solution when you get that sort of a response.

What is a bunch of bull **** though? Look at how worked up you've gotten! Edit*** I skipped over the text that I enlarged, but I felt like enlarging it to highlight how absolutely impossible it would be for Boyst and I to have a rational discussion on this issue. I'm not even angry at him, it's just...we have such a difference of opinion that I don't think it needs to be talked about in circles. I'm here to watch football and talk about it. The more of this crap I see and the more these incidents become overblown news stories, the less I want to spend even a minute of my time following the sport.

Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football.

Now he wants back, but not for us? What a long and annoying way to quit our team.

A 37 year old claiming that he retired for reasons other than being 37.

I've never watched a Pro Bowl, and I'm under the impression they're terrible. Is there a reason why people get all excited about this? Is it just another Buffalo inferiority complex and obsession for national attention?

If Anderson starts next year he could get drafted. The best MAC QB is never overlooked and I think if he started he would be the consensus top QB in the conference.

Quality post.

I love that play, what are you talking about!?

Standing idly by while Brandon and Pegula hired Rex is his big mistake. He should have been kicking and screaming for another guy.