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They don't get TAUGHT "ideals." Ideal is a convenient term that implies only one way of thinking, acting, interacting. Is that what college does? All the intro courses and general education requirements at many schools are intended to be surveys of alternate ideas and ideals. If colleges and universities don't double down on the Eurocentric, normative, Christian, colonial ideas they get exposed to in the K-12 system, that makes them radical counterculture instigators? And further, this argument is even more horse pucky because in addition to the aforementioned complete misconceptions about what institutions do, it also assumes people are too stupid to make up their own minds. It's exposure, not indoctrination. If we just believe all we're told in K-12 and stopped there, well, all of us would continue to deify the racist, rapist slave-owners referred to as the founding fathers. But then again, I guess holding anyone to any standards of personal accountability and responsibility is unnecessary so long as that person meets your own ideals. I'd bet my life that complaints about Rosen's so-called (and misplaced, he bitched about the NCAA) SJW belief come from people on the right. And further, those same people critical of non-work-related SJW interests don't hold the sexual assaulter and adulterer in chief to the same non-work-related standard. Funny how that's OK in politics, because he supports one's ideals, but it's not for a QB when he doesn't. Double standards, hallmarks of the family-values GOP.

I'll go on record, which I am sure others have stated on TBD, that he goes #1. Cleveland's move to grab TT was to keep the team moving ahead as they build and draft their way ahead, knowing full well they're not close to a playoff team and turning over an 0-16 team, even with FA acquisitions and draftees to a rookie QB would kill the guy. If the talent is what everyone says, and the issues can be resolved with coaching, then he's their guy. And what cements if for me was their claim that TT is the starter the whole year. You don't likely need to sit either Rosen or Darnold the entire season.

If they fall for Allen, Beane is no better than anyone they've had at GM. He is Losman and Manuel... physical tools with major, uncorrectable deficiencies.

Sal C. Total fan boy. Interjects himself, explicitly, and implicitly, in most of his conversations. Often he frames his conversations in a way that tries to give him credibility or "experience drops." Last time I heard him and couldn't change the channel, I think on a gamer day, he said "I walked out the tunnel this morning and it was a beautiful day for football." Not simply "Hey, it's a great day for football" but interjecting himself into it. All the time. Don't care about his kid. And every time he's on with other WGR people, he cuts them off. Annoying as hell. Knowledgeable, but in a horrible package. After that it's Jeremy White, who takes all his cues and knowledge from pop cultural and social media, has no original thoughts of his own, just a regurgitator of collective approved ideas.

I'm torn on Rosen. Tools, he's got what you covet, with some improvement possible. Mentally, not sure this a "trust the process" kind of player who easily buys into teams and systems. Doesn't seem to have made many friends on the team, read some NFL execs commenting about his lack of leadership. For some reason, he reminds me of Cutler. I think Darnold is the target, just my hunch based on the team's philosophy which seems to preach and requires a team first approach. We'll see I guess.

Can't make up my mind util resident racist boyst shows up and disparages a black athlete for something white athletes get celebrated for.

I'll eat crow on Jackson with a side of crow on Allen. The probability of 5 franchise-level QBs in a single draft are miniscule. Very interesting to watch this unfold. Teams will overdraft QBs as they always do but this year with so many supposedly in the market, it's going to happen. The most interesting will be to see how the consensus top 5 go in order and how closely that order is to their actual careers.

Here's the way I think it should be viewed. It is not about moving up and grabbing a QB this year for the sake of grabbing a QB this year. The key is whether or not this new front office can effectively evaluate QBs or whether they're like the prior regimes willing to overdraft bad supply based on kinked demand. I think we have two excellent examples of the pressure of getting a QB in the 17 year drought... Losman and Manual. Both were desperation moves to "try" and get a QB and both players had major shortcomings. Losman at the time was ID'd as clearly outside of the top QB prospects and wasn't even invited to the draft IIRC. Yet the Bills moved into the first and grabbed him. The Manual draft is the classic case of drafting one high to get one. Major risk, no reward. So the key to is being able to properly evaluate QBs rather than just roll the dice, trade draft capital, and keep your fingers crossed that a QB can overcome a litany of shortcoming. Oh, and give me the Wonderlic scores. A sub-22 is a dealbreaker. I've been on this for years and for you analytics types, look up the playoffs and Super Bowl records of sub-22 QBs. Three keys findings after diving into reported scores (reported only) this is simple. 1. Sub-22 QBs can get you to the playoffs. 2. But sub-22 QBs have won 1 SB except I believe Bradshaw who I also believe is dyslexic or has some other reading issue. 3. Over-22 QBs are no guarantee of a SB or even playoffs. The anti-intelligence, "football is a physical game" neanderthal thinkers here will poo-poo the Wonderlic as not measuring anything. It has its flaws and it likely useless for many positions where absolutely physical skills and vision matter most (RB, WR, TE). But a 12 minute, 50-question exam that basically asks question you know does measure, in some way, the cognitive ability and rapid recall necessary for a QB. So putting this all together, if the Super Bowl is what you are after, the probability of winning one with that QB is basically zero. If I am drafting, I throw out the sub-22s from my draft board, every time. Brady - 33 Eli - 39 Peyton - 28 Big Ben - 25 Aikman - 29 Young - 33 Elway - 29 Wilson - 28 Those were not cherry picked, just randomly off the top of my head in five seconds. Losman reportedly had a very low score, then a very high one on his second attempt after some coaching from agents who made BS excuses to teams and the Bills bought it (See book Illegal Procedure) Tyrod 15 Manual 28 Edwards 31 Fitz - 48 Kelly - 15 (just for kicks). Would everyone sign up for 4 more SB losses? Probably. I think Wonderlic matters more now in a more complex, pass oriented game. If the Super Bowl is the goal and the Bills had thrown out the sub-22s, we'd have avoided the Losman error and the Tyrod error (didn't draft but could have used the metric anyway), and thereby reducing their error rate by 50%. So to me, does Beane and his staff have the ability to evaluate QBs compared to the entire population of QBs in history or do they just compare them to their others in their draft class when they are set on drafting one, come hell or high water.

Because there is no money paid to them, they're not seen as an actual long-term investment but rather treated as a race horse...beaten up for 4 years and sent packing. School gets the on field performance and then the legacy from the player if he makes the big show. What does the horse get? Fed, trained, and housed. What does a college athlete get? Fed, trained, and housed. NCAA is the biggest scam in America.

Shocker, the resident stars and bars waving racist hick doesn't like outspoken, articulate black athletes who challenge the white status quo. He should shut up and dribble right?

I think it'll be Rosen. Everyone will look back at the two later picks in round one and wish they used them to move up. I don't like he psychological makeup but if he grows up and is a leader, this is the one. A spoiled, entitled, kid who won the generic lottery and hasn't had to work to hard at it is the biggest gamble. At some point the Peter Principle applies, and the NFL is usually it for QBs. You get drafted at how well you do in college which is no guarantee of how well you'll do in the pros. So when you get there, in Rosen's case, and face teams and players better than Utah and Washington State, do you work harder, leader, study your ass off and fight or do you do what you've always done, rely on the talent without the hard work? It'll be like when they moved up to get Losman and the following year they would have been in position to draft Rodgers. Oops.

Hopefully not, stupidest thing ever. Not missed. Facebook should fill the narcissistic, daddy-issue hole on their hearts.

So a "writer" for a site called "BillsWire" writes a piece absent any quotes from a single player about Buffalo as a desired FA destination and starts it with info from someone else's list of 9 teams, of which the Bills weren't one, and this is supposed to be credible? It's homerism at its worst. Clicked on it with looking at the link and after reading the first few paragraphs and skimming for any quotes, I remember why I never read anything written by a site called BillsWire. Having a website and byline does not make you credible.

Talent wise, this kid is great. But he's a risky pick. The superiority complex? What's he done to have it? Did he even win a PAC-12, weak conference, title? When he hasn't gotten what he wants or feels entitled to, like getting into Stanford, he dismisses and deflects that failure away from him. He acts like a Jersey Shore cast member, which is not unexpected from a college kid I guess, but there are some serious character/psychological questions here. Here's what was telling to me, which drove home my concern, he seems to have goals and want to aim high, like the fact he found research that finds that high IQs are gained with more reading yet that he hates reading and is "trying" to read more. Not "I have read hundreds of books" but I am "trying." What's the matter snowflake, Unbroken was too tough of a read to finish it? People like this, who seem well versed in the art of talk and self-promotion aim to build themselves up to what they want to be seen as without having to actually achieve it. It's like a friend's wife who said "I'd like to get a PhD but I don't have the time." That statement is intentionally designed to imply capability while placing an insurmountable obstacle in the way to avoid actually proving it! I want a PhD therefore I am a PhD. He's going to turn off teams, no doubt. Guess we'll see how FA shakes out and who the QB needy teams are thereafter and there might be a clearer picture. Funny though, I'd take him over Allen, who might go before him as teams fall in love with stupid athleticism. If Rosen is just immature and not truly, clinically a narcissist or worse, he can presumably grow up. Fixing the decision-making flaws in Allen are harder to do (see: Taylor, Tyrod), as are his accuracy issues, which of the two can be improved. Can't make a guy football smart. But man do football people love physical freaks.

Anyone who doesn't think Gronk is among the top 3 TEs of all time, if not the best is Doug Stanhope high. To me it always comes down to a one game scenario. If I had to pick on TE to play one game, it's a no brainer, it's Gronk. So many have a fetish with stats alone, lacking the ability to comprehend the impact a guy has on a game. When Gronk plays, he's an unstoppable force and his presence changes games for both the Pats and the opposition. His per game stats blow the rest away. Gronk averages 70 yards and .75 TDs per game. Blows both Gonzalez and Gates out of the water (go do the homework, it's not ever close). His best season (1300+ yards and 17 TDs makes the best of these two, both elite, pale in comparison) If I'm building a team and can pick any TE ever, he's the only guy worth it. Anyone on the older eras isn't worth the debate. It's like arguing a that the best Model T was as good as a 2018 Ferrari 488. Everyone today is better than everyone in the 70s. But he's a Patriot and the Bills homers and haters go out of their way to cry in their Blue Lights and can never accept reality.

The thing that makes the least sense is why they'd let both their coordinators walk if BB was leaving? It would seem that continuity would be the desire of the Krafts and they'd want some answer from BB about his future plans. If it's being discussed around the league, fans, media then the Krafts are aware and likely would have asked for an answer. BB could have been asked, lied, and walks out with his two middle fingers up. That's the version people want but to what end or point? They're both staying, no doubt. STH rooting for the Pats again, as I have for years since getting over the jealousy and emotion. Enjoy watching great football with a great coach who outcoaches and a QB who executes. I hate Philly fans and they deserve nothing so I'll never root for that team.

Perfect pool for the Trump era, where undeniable facts are called "fake." Watch the f'in games. TB executes without help, end of story. Cry in your beer and go to bed.

Entire world? Nope, I'm not. Go Pats. Enjoy watching a dominant organization. Top down, no org in sports does it as well. Amendola after the game: ""we're just gonna work." Yep, get a coach who preaches hard work, commitment, and details and the players who buy in, you got something. The are the best organization in my lifetime. Never bet against Brady. Ever. Marrone is a loser with a loser's approach. 55 seconds left in the half with 2 TOs and he kneels. Loser and a quitter. Against the Pats, that is a death sentence. What a loser.

Mean what? Household? Per capita? Family? And no, there has not been reported income for 2017 yet. That number was pulled from 2016 estimates provided by the Census. 2017 won't be available until the fall. And median is the more appropriate measure as it's not subject to outliers. Here's why, that numbers seems respectable since it's per capita income, meaning the average persons makes $46.5k. However, the median is 31,099 which means simply that half make more and half make less, a better measure. That is your nerd moment of the day. So yeah a paycut isn't something McCoy should cry about.

If you were told this week that Bortles would run for 86, throw for 85 and Fournette would run for 57 would you have thought they'd win with TT? Said in a thread yesterday this is a game TT has to win and won't. Spot on. Time to move on.

See ya TT. My worst nightmare. A playoff team that never had a chance with this guy at QB and given up higher draft pick. TT just got beat by Bortles, a guy Marrone the Quitter said he would prefer to just run every play.

+1 Horrible stand there play by 10, he could play FW for the Sabres. They're good at standing around.

Of course not. But his career here ends as anyone would have predicted this week.

Hope Bill Barnwell and the other TT jock sniffers are watching.

4th qtr, road playoff game and your D has given up 10. Said in a thread yesterday, TT will have to win this game as the Jags D won't give up the rushing yards and so we're likely doomed relying on Tire Iron to take over. Here we are....