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Saturday is the last time that Brady will ever be in the same tier as our QB.

So proud of this team.

You want the narrative on Josh to change? It won't be from winning games. It'll only happen when someone like Bill Cowher goes on TV during prime time and says he thinks Josh Allen is the Truth and he is officially accurate now. Only then, will people change their minds. In fact, Allen haters will become Allen fans over night. The advanced stats will suddenly show how accurate Allen is! Such is the way the world REALLY works.

Imagine the confidence going into the Playoffs on a 3 game win streak. You would rather go into the playoffs with another NE loss with a potential Pats matchup looming in the semi-final? What would that do the team's psyche?

Deleted Frontline documentary from 1983. Savitch the reporter was found dead in a ditch months later. Documentary not aired until leaked many years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Savitch Besides, MR WEO, this post isn't for you. It's for the open-minded ones who can't figure out what's going on and how these cheaters keep skating by and all the other owners stand by quiet. The answer has been out in the open for 35 years. If you want to hear it. You think it's all cleaned up now?

Vegas. Referees. Fixes. Things get ugly if you want to know the truth. Watch the Frontline documentary.

Imagine the competitive advantage in filming the sideline/substitutions versus using your eyes. Rewind, play forward, rewind, play forward...."Oh wait, I didn't notice that before"...rewind, play forward.....

This runs WAYYYY deeper than most can comprehend. Why aren't the owners going public right now? Because of "the shield"? These owners combined are worth way more than "the shield". Because the truth is that there is more going on than just the Patriots cheating.

I think Rivers is Brady's ceiling without cheating.

Why are the same 3 or 4 Bills fan so vehemently playing devil's advocate for the Patriots? It's pretty obvious what's going on. I hope your intentions are pure, there's one guy earlier in this thread I'd bet money is a secret Pats fan. By the way, notice the clamp down on information since the NFL stepped in. No reports, no sources talking, nothing. Shadiness all around.

To keep this thought experiment going, even though they didn't need to forfeit, think of how it affected Chiefs in terms of game day preparation. The stress, the lack of warming up, the disruption of game day habits. The game might not have been so close. Makes you raise your eyebrows.

Thank you. This just happens every time they're caught. First, there's ridicule on the accusers. Then people question the competitive advantage. And then people wonder what's so bad about it. It happened during every scandal. It's classic gaslighting. Like we're the crazy ones. And even worse, we're the dumb ones who should be smart and cheating like them! Even if it all ends here and nothing more ever comes out, these are the people we're supposed to look back on and worship as the GOATs? Just checked. No mention of the Patriots anywhere near the front page of ESPN. The top Patriots thread on NFL Reddit is about Belichick commenting on social media. The clean up job has begun.

The point is where it fits into the greater scheme of things. Nothing is off limits to these people. Nothing is beneath them. Every possible shady advantage they take. They're called "scumbags" where I'm from. And I keep waiting for more and more to come out.

Consider this before dismissing: Are any other teams around the league known for doing this type of thing or going to these lengths? What does it say about the organization that they are given the OK to go through the dirty laundry and garbage (!) in order to look for scraps? What kind of reputation do they have around the league for these types of actions? Think of the paranoia you need to have in order to NOT have something stolen from you. Take shredders with you on the road?! Why are Bills fans defending these people? This is just the tip of the iceberg coming to light. Ever been to a spy store? Do people really believe this ends here?

It's very dirty. Very ugly. Despicable organization. Like rats.

Haha front offices. I assume everyone understands my abbreviations when I've been drinking.

Love it. It really feels like it this time. You know what would put the final nail in the coffin? One more scandal to come out right now.

Go on social media. Tag corporate accounts. Every major organization monitors social media. It has more influence than you can possibly imagine. Speaking from experience. Even if only a couple people like it, a well placed post or tweet can reach the highest executives. These tweets from Rappaport and the like talking about weak punishments are a test. They want to see the social media response. If it's weak they will go ahead with it. If there is heavy backlash, they will reconvene. They are doing everything in their power right now trying to sweep this under the rug. They are having midnight meetings as I type this trying to figure out how to make this blow over. The more outraged the NFL fans are, the more their hand will be forced. The more dejected we are, the more likely they will move ahead with no punishments.

It's all been said in this thread so far. But I will add this. There are a lot of dejected fans here talking about "well, it doesn't matter, the NFL will just sweep it under the rug". Remember that the power is in the fan's hands. There are millions of us, and only a few dozen decision-makers, if even. If we rise up, Goodell is gone. Kraft is gone, Etc. When will we stop being doormats? Make your voice heard. Demand action! What is this self-defeatist crap?

There are lots of losing coaches who still have the respect of the players. What in the world do these FOs see in Gase?

For a show that, let's be honest, nobody is going to watch. "The day in the life of an advanced scout". Not worth the risk.

It makes sense. Coming off a loss to the Texans on prime time where Brady looked finished. Bills breathing down their neck for the division. Knowing they might lose to the Chiefs. Dalton is back which means the Bengals are a bit tougher to play. I doubt this is the only trick they had up their sleeve for filming teams. Again, McDermott escorted Belichick's son off the field just a month or two ago. Many ways to skin a cat.

Right. That would explain why they "forgot" to inform the Bengals. The Bengals would never agree to it. And again the optics of it. If this was truly an innocent blunder (and my God what an innocent blunder), choose two teams who you don't play this year.

OK, let's put it like this. 1. How many other organizations go to road games with a camera crew in tow filming the sidelines? Is this a normal practice? 2. Why would the Patriots even risk something like this considering their reputation? Think from the perspective of a PR department or even the legal department. Who would OK a series like this to film other teams after everything that happened in the past? And if they did have the chutzpah to do it, how could they forgot to inform both sides? 3. Spygate isn't some old forgotten thing. Remember earlier this year when McDermott escorted Belichick's son off the field? Optics are BAD. Either the entire organization is tone deaf, or...... These are the questions people should be asking before dismissing with Reddit type comments like "why would they film the crappy Bengals? har har"

The video being released assumes we can trust the NFL to release the entire video. Remember Spygate? Also, like somebody else noted earlier, this is 2019. There's a cloud, and there may be footage that was filmed that is not saved on the camera but on a server somewhere.