OldTimer1960

I agree, it is depressing. At this point, maybe best to stick to high-floor guys and hope that you get solid contributions from hopefully the first 3 rounds. That doesn’t mean that they have to start this year to be considered a contributor, but hopefully eventually they will get 2-3 decent starters out of this draft.

I like what little we saw of Shakir, but that would not deter me from picking another slot receiver. Now, if you wait until round 4 or later to do so, it may not be worth doing, but I think there are some nice slot options in rounds 1-3 that could be worth taking, even if they really like Shakir. But, they have enough holes to fill that they might shy away from another slot option.

I actually like Avila better than Torrence, but still a G in round 1 doesn’t scream premium position.

I disagree. I think we’ll see what Edmunds did for the pass defense in the middle of the field if he leaves.

Totally aligned, but is there a worthwhile OL to be had there? Likely an OT available, but is OG/C a premium position for round 1?

Flowers >>> McKenzie

I am not dogging Musgrave, but those two big games were against weaker Mountain West teams (Boise State and I forget who else). If he played more games against better competition, it would be easier to project him. That being said, Dawson Knox had very little receiving production in college and I think he is doing quite well in the league.

Agree, but I’d like to take the rushing load off Allen by a considerable amount otherwise he may have a shorter career than we hope.

Levitre was also good. If the standard is that any pick where a player picked later turns out better is a bad pick, then all GMs and almost every pick is bad.

With Addison it is his thin frame and modest speed to size ratio. He ran about a 4.5 40 which is acceptable, but at 175ish pounds, you hoped for a bit faster time. Still, his quickness and route running chops are evident. The only knock I’ve heard on JSN is modest top end speed and that there are questions if he is mostly a slot guy. Like Addison, JSN has demonstrated that he can get open, but missing most of last season with a hamstring leaves him with only one (very) productive season - I don’t think this is the case, but it is possible to wonder if his production in 2021 was due to defenses paying more attention to Garret Williams and Chris Olave.

I’m not necessarily advocating for another TE. I think that most here would agree that the offense needs more weapons - I’m just thinking that it is possible that the best offensive weapon available when they pick might be a TE.

I’m not saying that Tre Palmer might not be pretty good, but Flowers has much more proven ability to shake defenders with route running. Hyatt has shown good hands on the few routes he was asked to run.

Shopping just for fast 40 times is not the best way to scout (imho). Palmer has some good traits, but I don’t think he is coming into the league and playing a lot on offense this season. The RB. might have a chance to play some in the league as it is an easier position to make an impact.

The way a #2 TE gets on the field is to move away from a 3WR set because they don’t have 3 good WRs.

I would not be disappointed with Schmitz and Rice in first two round, but the crowd that thinks the 27th pick needs to be all-pro in a year or two will be. Really, that crowd is going to be disappointed no matter who they take in round 1. Point is if people thing Greg Rousseau isn’t performing “as a first round pick should” won’t like anyone they take at 27 in this draft, except maybe Bijon Robinson. I would be happy with a good OL or good starting WR or good starter elsewhere.

I’m not sure that Schmitz can be a good G after showing up at the combine at only 301 and not being known for his mobility. I must be watching different games for Rice, because I see very little ability to get separation based on his route running. I agree that he has above average size, very good leaping ability and ability to make contested catches. I just don’t see a guy who is going to get open vs man coverage. I think the Bills will have the option to take him at their 2nd round pick. He was very productive, but it was against weak competition for the most part.

Totally agree, but the problem is there don’t seem to be great WR who will be available at Bills’ draft position and I can’t identify (so far) any major playmakers who might be available in round 2 or 3. I don’t think that this is a great year for WR in the draft. There are some undersized guys that might be really good in the slot - Addison, Flowers, Downs, but is that what the Bills need? I think they really need a good outside receiver to challenge Gabe Davis. I haven’t completely given up on Davis who played hurt much of the year, but that spot is where I’d hope to upgrade- after Quentin Johnston, who fits that description? *Maybe* Rashee Rice, maybe Jonathan Mingo? Michael Wilson ran 4.59 after a nice Senior Bowl to dampen his stock. Now, I don’t think 4.59 disqualifies Wilson from consideration, but that wasn’t the best number for a guy who had some momentum after the all-star game.

The problem is finding someone who wants to trade up. There will likely be a bunch of players roughly in the same tier, so what incentive will a team have to move up. It often takes a QB available late for someone to want to jump up, but who would that be. Tanner McKee?

In trade down, I’d be looking for one of: Steve Avila (G), Luke Wypler (C), maybe John Michael Schmitz (but, Schmitz only weighed 301lbs at the combine and his test scores were nothing special), Josh Down (slot receiver). I am still trying to find “the good WR depth”. I have a lot of games to watch, but I don’t think that any of the outside WRs after Quentin Johnston would walk into training camp as a favorite to beat out Gabe Davis. There are some slot only guys that could challenge and beat out Shakir for slot.

Got it, I didn’t immediately get the joke. Sorry about that!

Trade down and get Paris Johnson? I expect he will be gone long before the Bills’ pick at 27. How would trading back into round 2 allow us to get Johnson? If you meant trade up for Johnson, then that is likely to cost the Bills’ 1st and 2nd - if we are lucky.

Why would you want a 1 year rental? This idea that a team just needs to go "all in" and "mortgage the future" to try to win a championship is flawed, in my opinion. You can't predict injuries or bad breaks - just look at last season. This team, unless they lose significant pieces without replacing them with somewhat equivalent pieces, is good enough to be "in the mix" to win a championship. So are a number of other teams. I think the chances of winning a championship are maximized by staying competitive for as long as you can - get as many opportunities as possible. KC fixed their OL last year, but they shipped Tyreek Hill out. That wasn't an "all in" move - it was a move towards long-term competitiveness.

Henry is 29 with 1750 carries and the residual damage each one did on his body. He had 349 carries just last year. Now, maybe he is the very rare RB who can keep going for another year or two before a major drop-off - like Adrian Peterson, but I would not give up a lot of draft picks or money to find out. This team NEEDs to take a lot of the rushing load off of Josh Allen or he will be destroyed way before he should be. But, that doesn't mean take a beaten up workhorse RB and pound him behind a sub-par OL. If you can somehow fix the OL and get a bigger RB in the 4th/5th round to share carries with Cook and take some of the load off Josh, great.

This is great discussion. No point taking a WR who isn’t that good or an interior OL who may be very good, but you won’t pay. Just recognize it is a poor class and see what you can do for the future is a reasonable approach. A good C or G in round 1 is ok in the near-term, but will you pay them later? An average/decent WR doesn’t really move the needle.

The tread left on Henry’s tires has to be mighty thin after all the work he has logged - and his running style includes a lot of collisions.