NoSaint

I'd take the 2016 team straight up with the right coach over this one. We had more talent and one of our only holdovers, the starting qb, now doesn't fit the scheme great.

Especially for a roster that was relatively average. This wasn't the 0-16 lions.

It's a nice story. One of those everyone has before the fight though. Once he gets hit, we will see how he responds. Say he can't get his qb, or he and McD disagree strongly about something foundational. Or in two years the owner hires a 34DC as HC who brings in a spread OC. You'll catch flack for being negative. This story is the flip side of the same coin. We will see what happens. I'm moree nervous than optimistic though, at least on paper.

Plus he had every measurable, a valid and easily addressable excuse for why he slipped in the draft, and that graph on giving up the fewest receptions per snap of any rookie.... I think people got too high on him, but he was more than just a feel good story too. I think he'd see a lot of snaps in many cities.

If you support it, could you actually verbalize it?

Obviously it could be a variety of picks or players that wouldn't have been graded the same by everyone -- seeing the comparison could give us some idea of priorities I understand and replied accordingly-- I'll stand by my response that we entered the offseason with a set of young talented man corners and have gutted them for scheme fits. I'm sure many fans have whiplash and are still projecting them based on their past successes, not their current fit in a scheme not everyone read every camp report about

I'm going out on a limb and saying that most didn't expect to flip our (young, talented and cheap) secondary completely for a scheme that played to their weaknesses. If we ran a man scheme with respectable pass rush there's no reason to think Darby, and probably Seymour would've been good players for us. There's got to be a bit of whiplash in the fan base

It was a pretty popular opinion around here that once he figured out the vision thing he would be excellent as a man cover guy. I didn't think he'd be elite but I think he is easily a strong contributor for most teams

And I was just pointing out that a 59 vs 61 doesn't really change his point

I've started 3-4 threads that ask the philosophy... you know, the boil it down to 2-3 sentences kind of mission statement and the closest I can come is "be just good enough to build credibility this year while preserving everything you can for the real restocking next year."

While true, I'm not sure it changes his point much, if at all. Especially paired with not having a lot of low percentage deep throws or boundary passes

What do you really think Jake ruduck is going to become that Yates isn't?? We already have the developmental guy- it's either plug in a vet or just carry two and put an emergency guy on the PS

Pretty much all the new guys have to maximize their potential for them not to be a dropoff

Can you imagine the reaction one year ago on cut day if someone said "I bet not only Gilmore is gone but Darby, NRC, Seymour by this time next year"

Feel free to look elsewhere?

Got it- I got a bit confused on it.

I might be misunderstanding but are you saying Seymour is bad based on that? Cause it means he went more snaps between allowing receptions than any other rookie

I had wright lightly penciled in but probably nickel or dime 2 out of 3 plays anyway and that's the trio

Does this leave colt Anderson as literally the only member of the 2016 secondary? I can't recall a large unit like this being so completely overhauled so quickly offhand If this WR ends up taking tates spot, is that actually a 100% turnover there too?

I guess but different positions not the guy I'd be cautiously protecting or the place I'd be playing the numbers game

It's why we couldn't afford any of the young guys- obviously.

I do Not expect it if he makes week 1. In fact I'd be floored if he starts the season with us and is cut midyear

Today's one of those days you call the folks you know first- no big shock to see a trade with the panthers I assume slim to essentially none for the compensation

It's a required semi regular skill. What you are also forgetting is how many yards a 15-20 yarder outside the hashes flies and not just the ability for the ball to reach those guys but get there with zip. Can he whip in a laser between two zones or before a member of the secondary breaks on it? It's not a deal breaker but if you don't have the arm you have to be that much better than even the best at reading and accuracy and... to make up for it. Even that is simply to be a reliable long term starter, not up for a great qb discussion. There's been a lot of Chas Pennington references but even he was basically a .500 qb

Because unfortunately crossman needs it more than some