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No........they were REALLY going at it. Tyson had his usual scary missed kill shots and he was bouncing around in the ring. He looked in a lot better shape than Jones but maybe that's all Jones can do at his 51. And Tyson did thump Jones in the face good a few times but Jones was able to get away and recover. Jones was hugging Tyson as much as possible.....like Holyfield used to........so he got pounded in the ribs for 8 rounds. Jones was in a lot of pain, holding his guts in and exhausted after the fight. Tyson had barely broken a sweat........he was ecstatic at how it turned out and said he was going to do it again and Roy should too but Roy wasn't so sure at that moment. It was fun and it wasn't an exhibition it was a real fight. And the fight before that was entertaining too. Nate Robinson the slam dunk champion from the Knicks against this internet punk Luke Paul. Paul came in to Kurtis Blows' basketball........mocking Robinson.....quite hilarious.......and then proceeded to knock him down 3 times in a round and a half and the last time he was out like a light. Some exhibition! We didn't have to pay for it but it was definitely worth the $50 if you had a bunch of people there.

Like he was fighting for his life.........gassed.........and then like a pile of mashed potatoes after Tyson worked his body for 16 minutes. But he was able to get a few ineffectual jabs in and win some points from one of the judges.......he's still a tactician..........he tried to hang on Tyson and tie him up but it was actually still a very entertaining fight. He's going to wish he was dead tomorrow though.

They had been trying to acquire a WR1 for two years...........they tried to swing deals for Antonio Brown and AJ Green as well.............yeah it was an absolute necessity to give their young QB that kind of player. And I don't remember a lot of criticism of the move at all..........just that they paid a lot more than Arizona paid for Hopkins. "A truly franchise altering move"? Bryce Paup actually won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in his first year with Buffalo........was that "franchise altering"? Very few personnel decisions are.........and they are almost exclusively QB's.

1) Now Kelvin Benjamin wasn't even acquired? Let alone traded for and paid $8.5M for that abysmal 2018 partial season? 2) You are counting some of the same players multiple times in your "360 players" math. Jordan Poyer isn't a different player every year........Shaq was with McD for 3 years he doesn't count 3 times. 3) Bad counting / bad counting = 5%(not really, even that was wrong) Look.......you protest too much...........McBeane have taken shots on A LOT of former Carolina Panthers..........it's a fact.

#2 by a lot SJ13 angrily blaming the father, son and holy ghost for making him drop the ball just made it a hat on a hat of Billsy. SJ13 was a total screwball...........I am glad Bills fans don't have to have a nutcase like that as a face of the franchise type anymore.

Yeah I am on the fence about how much the shoulder affected his play........could be, but I think it was more the health of Smoke and defensive adjustments made by other teams. But they've seen it now and Gabe Davis has some more games under his belt and hopefully the TE's are ready to step up more and the defense is playing better now IMO. It SHOULD be a better situation than going into the KC and TN games........but I am admittedly biased regarding the value of that big play speed at WR. If they get in a shootout not having Brown probably hurts a lot............but at least not putting Brown on IR until the day before the game probably prevented the Chargers from really game planning to squat on that Bills passing game more.

That would be awesome. Or a home game.

And I thought his regular season was pretty much over immediately after that injury in Arizona.........and seeing as we aren't allowed to have information until the last minute with this regime.......I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop. I don't expect him back until the New England game.........it's a 4-6 week injury but for a small WR it should be AT LEAST a 6 week injury if you expect them to get their full speed and quickness back. This puts them back closer to they were personnel-wise in their October slide so should be a good test to see if Allen/Daboll are able to adapt better this time.

No, not really. It was one of the greatest SB upsets ever for a reason. And they weren't that much more individually talented thru the next 2 SB wins either. Not sure how Bills fans could mis-remember that...........we even had Marv Levy come in here and sign 15 journeyman free agents openly admitting that the thought process was that he felt Dick Jauron could replicate that Patriot personnel synergy. Every team has some good players though........which is why it's a non-point to say good coaches need good players.

Which is a nothing point. With 53 man rosters and the system designed to distribute talent fairly evenly good players are everywhere. Yet Joe Gibbs wins SB's with Doug Williams and Mark Rypien and Parcells wins one with Jeff Hostetler........and Belichick wins one with a second year QB who wasn't very good......great coaching is often very evident on it's own merit. And it's a joke to keep suggesting that Belichick *needed* Brady to not finish as anything but a career losing HC...........the FIRST SB they won Brady was a dink and dunk game manager who threw a grand total of 1 TD in the entire playoff and SB run.

So you are saying that when choosing among fringe roster players with 3 years or less of NFL experience that the 4th year Bills GM and HC are choosing less Carolina players? Well I guess you've proven that they don't have an inordinate amount of focus on players that were with them in Carolina. They were on more of their former Carolina players than ever this past offseason. And of the 20 or so former Carolina free agents they've tried since coming to Buffalo only Daryl Williams and Dean Marlowe have proven worth the investment so far. Personally I am not a huge detractor of trying to collect players that are familiar with their system...........it makes sense on the surface but it hasn't been a very lucrative endeavor trying to tap into their old Carolina pipeline.

It is important to note though, that their coaching trees have not yielded much success outside of their own systems. They are genius level coaches themselves and it turns out that they've mostly surrounded themselves with limited minds because that's all they've needed. Working for them opens doors but the results have not been good.

Daboll could turn out to be a very good HC. As we should know by now there is only a loose correlation between success as an coordinator and a HC. Chan Gailey is a prime example. He was a natural........he didn't need to fail at any OC jobs before he was good at it let alone 3x like Daboll. But he wasn't the right kind of personality to run a football program/organization. Daboll could very well be. Most of the positive feedback about him is more about his people skills than his football acumen. And sometimes someone who has actually MADE all of the mistakes is better suited to hire people who won't. It's an axiom in US sports that the less gifted players make the better coaches........but I think that in coordinating positions raw talent is probably the most important asset.

Yeah without the deep threat they are a lot easier to defend. But Brown has had several different types of leg injuries this season.......the ankle was just the most recent......he's a mess.

In a normal season someone would definitely claim him. But $2M remaining salary will matter more in a decision this year.

I am sure that Josh Allen is exceptional. I think Daboll is plenty competent...........but I am not sure he's a difference making coach himself and that track record as an OC is why...........if you are finishing 30th in the league in offense you aren't creating much synergy.

Probably a more logical Preston Williams replacement option though.

Yeah definitely depends on the outlook on Brown. He has about $2M left on his contract this season yet so that's definitely a deterrent.

I am not agreeing with the OP about Daboll being a terrible coach.............but Daboll was an OC 3 different times in the NFL prior to coming to Buffalo and his "track record" was inarguably abysmal at those stops.

Address immediate needs in free agency. Gotta' play the long game in the draft. Get the best talent at the high dollar positions that are hard to fill in UFA in the early rounds of each draft. The positions of that group that could most impact the Bills long range are pass rusher and WR1...........but never pass on a great QB prospect.........and if there is a LT prospect better than the pass rusher or WR1 then take that guy instead. At worst all of those players are very trade-able........they don't instantly depreciate when driven off the lot. CB1 is the last of the premium positions on the list(in the Bills system) and it's a good play if the others aren't better players.........it's just that the position is easier to fill in McDermott's D than others. Needs change every year. Don't change your strategy to fill holes that's how you end up with Shaq/Ragnuts/Adolphus draft classes..........or like Beane with his Cody Ford/Singletary 2-3 combo that is underwhelming everyone this year.

Extremes.........like "the drought" for Bills fans........tend to cause radical mindsets.........which is how Bills fans got the "mafia"-like reputation. There are a lot of people in the media who just don't think it's worth the time or emotional distress on their social media accounts to criticize the Bills....so it's not totally ineffective. But this is a closed circle of fans here.........there are only a handful of non-Bills fans involved in the discussion........we don't really need to be screaming "fake news!" at each other.

Or......... Tyrod gets benched for Mahomes in Saints game in 2017. Mahomes plays well........Dennison talks McDermott into making Mahomes the starting QB........Mahomes throws 5 TD's in the first half against the Chargers and Bills go on a tear from there........Bills go on Marrone's run instead of the Jags and make it to the AFC Championship in Mahomes' rookie year.

Allen is one of the most popular players in the league now. This "the media is out to get Josh Allen" stuff is pretty comical. I think you are confusing Josh Allen actually being a big factor in the landscape of the league with him being under attack.

I don't know about that.........but apparently you'd be mistaken about the analogy I made.........it's a thing. Every fan base that isn't winning SB's has these type of laments and in that case we tend to see the good fortune and functionality of other situations that we view from afar. Andy Reid is an outstanding HC to Bills fans.......he got teams to the playoffs(sometimes at our expense).........but I know a lot of Eagles fans........and every one wanted him gone when he was fired..........and the frustration was mounting in KC.........Reid's job was probably saved by Brett Veach's obsession with Mahomes.........it wasn't destined for him to just keep one-and-done-ing in KC. And of course.......even when we are winning we tend to take what we have for granted........like it was the minimum owed us. My uncle was a dentist in Topeka Kansas and during the Bills SB years. I remember him telling me how embittered KC fans were about the 1983 draft where their rival Denver was able to trade up and get Elway(who tormented them for 2 decades) and then the indignity of the Chiefs passing on both Kelly and Marino for Todd Blackledge at #7 overall. Yet I've never once heard a Bills fan say "thank God the Chiefs took Blackledge".

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