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What I am saying is that they struggled against the Lions defensive tactics............which the Patriots, not surprisingly, copied the next week with even more success. The Bills were riding a wave of offensive momentum coming into that game but were certainly lucky to squeeze past the Lions.........which you'd agree with if Gunner or Bandit was saying it. What you guys need to let go of is this idea that your constant arguing with well supported points is going to hurt my feelings.............it's not.........it just makes you look kinda' dumb.........others are just too nice to tell you so.

The previous one DID and that's the basis for your continued arguing. I didn't give you enough discredit for it because I thought you might have realized the mistake by now. I've established that the Lions/Pats games greatly contrasted with the other 4 in terms of Allen's rushing yardage. You didn't like that stat. But also in those "other" 4 games they averaged 375 yards of offense.........which when projected over the course of the season would have ranked them 9th in the NFL. That's good and that's the statistical support for the eyeball test they were passing offensively in those games. In the Lions/Pats games they had only 312 and 289.......an average of 301 yards of offense..........a number would project to 28th in the NFL. You were saying........"hey we averaged 298 for the season and we had 312 in that Lions game so that's not a drop".............yeah it's not a drop from the 30th ranked yardage offense that they finished up as but it's a BIG drop from the other post-injury Allen games. It wasn't insignificant........those defense's knocked 20% of the yardage production off of what the Bills had been doing...........that showed up on the scoreboard. It was just a poorly thought out argument on your part and this is what happens when you guys get emotional about the subject.

Again.........the Bills season averages are irrelevant...........they were getting blown out left and right early in the season........why are you using those numbers to show that they were doing "OK"............that's just poorly constructing an argument. And I'm not being hard on Allen at all. The Bills simply didn't have an answer that worked for those defenses..........that's been a common thread with McDermott against Belichick. He has been THE worst Bills HC against Belichick thru 4 games since BB came to NE.........it's on HIM to prove he is not enslaved. That's the way it works in the NFL.............your record = who you are.

Josh Allen ran for 95 yards in the finale as well so it was more like a 4 out of 6 game hot rushing streak............but don't let that interrupt your "it's just football 101" narrative.

C'mon Royale.........what you are doing is the OPPOSITE of Cherry picking. It's like the George Washington version of cherry picking. Not good for the tree. Who cares about the "season averages".........the Bills season breaks down into before Allen returned from injury and after. The highlighted is the issue. By limiting Allen's running the Lions limited the Bills scoring............they had averaged just over 21 points in his first 3 games back from injury and that should have been more like 24 if not for the unfortunate ending in Miami. But they put up just 14 at home against a poor Detroit team and needed a huge pass play late to even get that. Same thing happened the next week in NE when they were KEPT OUT OF THE ENDZONE until the closing moments in garbage time. Scores are what it's all about and the defenses employed by Patricia and Flores limited the Bills ability to score in both weeks.

Exactly and it's a double concern when the team that the new HC knows so well is one he has dominated. If Flores is able to get the best of McDermott that will be a bad look to ownership..........and we are just discussing it here because that's the topic. And we've been there before...........after the Dolphins and Jets won 1 and 4 games respectively in 2007 the Bills appeared to be the only possible WC contender from the AFC East going into 2008............we were understandably chalking up another easy 4-0 record against those scrubs.......in a stroke of good fortune for the Bills Brady got KO'd on opening day........but the Bills ended up going 0-6 in the division, the Dolphins won it and the Bills finished last. Stranger things have indeed happened.

Who said anything about Flores "emerging". Patricia was just 6-10 last year when he nearly engineered a surprise win in Buffalo. . I don't expect anything special from Flores and I don't of Patricia either..............but I know that Belichick has OWNED McDermott...........OWNED..........make all the excuses you want for Sean but no Bills HC has been less competitive against Belichick in his first 4 games against him.........and that's saying A LOT considering the lack of success they've had against him in the past 2 decades. Flores and Patricia have made a killing the past two years bringing out the worst in McDermott's woeful offense's. Now the other point here is you have said you don't like speculation..........well that's what we are doing here.........so why read it if it makes you upset? Put me on ignore if you don't like us discussing the topic. I'm not here to cater to your very specific wishes about what should be discussed.

Defensively. In the 3 games prior to Detroit Josh Allen had rushed for 99, 135 and 101 yards.........against Detroit he ran 9 times for just 16 yards..........the following week against NE he ran 5 times for 30 yards.........then in the finale back to 95 yards rushing against Miami. Patricia created the gameplan to stop Allen from running wild and nearly pulled off an upset...........then Belichick used it against Allen in that utter domination by the Pats when NE was looking very vulnerable.

I chose Bruce. But because of the factors outlined it was never actually the apples/apples comparison that people wanted to make it. And IMO Bruce would be even better in todays game..........White would be great but not as great as he was in his day.

At their peaks Reggie was the better all around DL but: -White was also about 50#'s heavier than Smith. -White played in a very aggressive and pass rusher friendly 4-3 all of his career while Bruce played much of his prime in a read and react 3-4 scheme. -White's supporting cast on the DL in Philly created opportunities Bruce rarely had wrt matchups. -As a LDE White lined up against RT's who were far inferior as pass blockers to LT's of that day(think of his SB performance against the immortal Max Lane while Bruce Smith would have been going against Bruce Armstrong). Using stud pass rushers on RT's to exploit favorable matchups has become a more common thing since then..........see Michael Strahan who also feasted on lumbering RT's. -People often cite Bruce's bad days against great LT's............but Erik Williams of Dallas absolutely dominated Reggie White.................White just rarely saw a RT who was anywhere near as good as a good LT. If Bruce played in a 46 for most of his career he would have had about 300 sacks IMO.............even old and tired he put up 10 sacks in Washington when finally introduced to a 4-3 defense............and he had some of his best games in Washington versus Walter Jones and Orlando Pace. Two sack games against each of them........I think that was the only two sack game Jones ever allowed and the only two sacks he allowed that season. He was the greatest pass rusher of the "sack statistic era" IMO........I don't know about Deacon Jones that was a different game then............and Lawrence Taylor might have been better over the short run but Bruce was not only great but also had the size and work ethic to endure that the explosive Taylor did not.

We've had this thread topic many times over the years. It's important to remember the basic fact that dogs weren't domesticated to be pets...........their primary purpose was to help hunt and attack/intimidate/defend.........that included hunting and attacking other humans. They were weapons before pets. Even the cute lil' bastards were initially brought in because they were good at killing things. So when you feel like you need a big dog of ANY breed be aware that you are, if nothing more, morally responsible for the amount of damage that dog can inflict on another human being. Simple as that.

I am hoping to be able to change his nickname from Drop-Zone to End-Zone. If he does significantly elevate his game it will be as a Keenan Allen style WR.......a guy whose game is greater than the sum of his skills..........because the raw skills aren't special if he's not catching everything he gets a hand on.

If the mercurial and self-defeating Ralph Wilson could end up with a team that went to 4 straight SB's and 10 playoff trips in 12 years..........then success can happen for ANY modern owner if they hire the right people.

What about Edmunds vs. Vander Esch?

With former Pats DC Flores going to Miami I can envision a scenario where the Bills get beaten soundly twice by Belichick and then unexpectedly struggle against Flores and the Dolphins. I mean we saw Matt Patricia and his Lions come in and really bring it against the Bills last season when that didn't appear to be coming. The inability to handle BB and his protege might be a big enough concern for The Pegs to pull the trigger even if the team is 6-10...........especially if Gase and his team continues to be more competitive against BB.

The biggest non-QB problem issue with the Jauron regime was the treading of water by replacing good veterans, that they should've just paid, with high draft picks. And of course the incredibly dubious positional valuations on draft day. In the first two rounds they picked an All Pro and possible HOF'er in Marshawn Lynch.......an All Pro safety in Jairus Byrd.........two successful interior OL in Wood and Levitre.......and a very good MLB in Poz.........and even Donte Whitner played in Pro Bowls. But look at those positions? Brutal.

In-season circumstances matter A LOT. If they go 6-10 with more blowouts and have two more hopeless showings against Belichick and their walking wounded UFA class continues to be wounded and Daboll looks like he's holding Allen back.........any combo of those kind of things could trigger a change. I think the bigger issue is that The Pegs have to feel like they have replacements in mind this time............and I don't feel confident that they do so I think they would be more hesitant to pull the trigger because of their grass-greenness as football people.

If the players were so maxed out why are we seeing them produce at much higher levels elsewhere and or play key roles in conference championship games and Super Bowls with other teams the past two seasons? A lot of terrible excuses have been made for McBeane...........casting every player they chose not to retain as some kind of maxed-out player or locker room cancer is absurd. Had they just chose to retain Lynn and Whaley they could very well have become a much better team............it's by no means a given that this kind of change had to be made......don't you think San Diego thought they had a culture problem when underachieving to 4 wins and 5 wins in the two seasons prior to hiring Anthony Lynn? Or the Rams? I mean, c'mon those teams were in Buffalo's rearview mirror as Rex was going out the door. The McBeane changes are VERY similar to the changes made between the Gregg Williams and Dick Jauron regimes. Donahoe was all about stacking talent and he and everyone else was discouraged with the lack of determination the group showed under duress. So enter Dick Jauron and a simpler offensive gameplay and a bendy/no breaky defense and a focus on culture and signing journeyman role players in high volume(who then failed) because they fit the culture that Jauron and Levy envisioned. People act like the McBeane approach is so refreshing............it's not. Hopefully it works better than Jauron's culture based re-build but that probably comes down ENTIRELY to Josh Allen.

Regarding "if that's not your game"......ponder this: If Harvard grad Ryan Fitzpatrick is such a smart person why hasn't he changed his game? I would posit that the reason is because he ENJOYS playing the gunslinging style he plays and doesn't think he'd enjoy playing it any other way. With his life prospects beyond the NFL........ he's not going to turn into "captain checkdown" for anyone. And I'm not even saying it's entirely his choice...........the heart wants what it wants and in the split second environment of the pocket that part of his highly trained brain says the reward is worth the risk. Ball pushed downfield into traffic.....dopamine released. I'd also suggest that Tyrod Taylor doesn't ENJOY checking the ball down............I think he plays the game fearfully because he is afraid of losing his job........to me that's been reflected in some of his answers to questions about playing the position. So "your game" isn't necessarily the only style you CAN play but it may be the only style you SHOULD or WILL play.

Again........read the post you initially responded to.......the lesson is "play to your strengths". Tyrod Taylor succeeded at making himself something he hadn't shown he could be before......a low risk, short passer.........but in the process made himself a less valued player. But even that was an exception. Most young Bills QB's haven't even done that well with attempts to change the nature/style of their game. Rojo, Losman, Edwards, Fitz, EJ......these guys were all tasked with significant offseason homework to change their games and none of those objectives were met. I have no problem with them trying to to round out Allen's game.........but I don't want to see the QB with the biggest arm in NFL history throwing the ball behind the sticks on 3rd and 8 to prove how clever he and his OC are........swing away, Josh, swing away!

"For those about to Rock" should play before every NFL game.

Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before.

man, I don't know.......I think Dawkins could be a tremendous LG.......I'd take Nsekhe at RT over Long at LG.

I love me some Josh Allen........and I know it hurts you......but the truth is that he hasn't pee'd a drop of that franchise QB golden lager yet.

"Taking the short throw" is one of those things that sounds great on paper but if that's not your game you shouldn't sweat it. Tyrod averaged a ridiculous 8.0 yards per pass attempt in 2015 and all that was talked about was how he only threw deep balls and out routes but wouldn't take the short throws over the middle........the next two years he did just that.........proving critics wrong and losing the fanbase at the same time. Lesson is.........play to your strengths. It should have always been running game and play action(RPO or conventional) with Tyrod and I think that also fits Josh Allen best as well.