BADOLBILZ

It's good that you are learning your Bills history but given that the average age of the members on this board is probably close to 60........I think most of us remember that game. Unfortunately he also fumbled after one of the longer grabs. Carelessness with the football(especially Flutie) cost the Bills a game they should have won with ease. 1998 Moulds was the best WR the Bills have ever had and it's not close. He was unreal. 20.4 yards per catch is insane with that volume. Nothing Andre Reed or Diggs did was as amazing as watching Moulds that year. He had been seen as the slow guy in the first round class of 1996. The future looked brilliant. Unfortunately he went overboard on the weight training, got heavy-legged and wasn't nearly the same player after that season. By 2000 he was rarely open. Fortunately for him he had a succession of physically talented passers who couldn't see the field to save their lives so they just chucked it to him 10 times per game from 2000-2004(his prime). The idea that he was hindered statistically by the Bills QB play is comical. If he played with a QB who could see the field and find the open man he would have seen a lot less action. There is no way a Josh Allen is just throwing jump balls to him all day like the field-blind Bledsoe.

Yep he didn't play well thru injury either. Two bad hands as well.

What "rookie records" did he shatter? He has the 11th most receiving yards by a rookie TE ever.......even though he was really not also used as an inline TE like almost everyone else on the top 25. Shattered? Not close. His 673 is over 500 yards less than the current rookie record. He's also the only one on the top 25 to not even average at least 10 yards per catch. 9.2 is pathetic. Kincaid basically replicated the low impact production from the slot that got Cole Beasley cut after the 2021 season and then followed that up with a much worse sophomore season. Dude is also going to be 26 this year. Not some raw kid.

Yeah I think if he can get and stay truly healthy he can still be a force. As he said, he came out of camp feeling good last season and he then had a tremendous start but quickly got hurt and it hampered him all season. He's had such an assortment of injuries it's hard to believe that he won't just keep getting hurt.

The success of Rousseau and Benford more than makes up for the bust picks of Basham and Elam..........but Beane should note that if he is drafting needy like that then he needs to keep taking 2 of them. Beane has been terrible at pro personnel and hasn't gotten enough star players for our liking in the draft but I do appreciate some of his technique. Polian, Butler and Donahoe used to drive me crazy with their decisions in the draft. I remember the 1995 draft was absolutely loaded with guard talent and the Bills were a mess on the OL. I felt they needed to come out of that with 2 of those studs. They got Ruben Brown but sat on their hands and drafted Todd Collins in round 2 instead of making a slight move up for one of a BUNCH of tremendous interior OL who were still on the board. You have to draft to the strength of that draft. And especially if you are doing so needily.

Sure he could conceivably be re-born. I just doubt it because it's obviously not likely after 3 straight years of injuries and poor production. I also can't get behind the idea that $12.6M is "no risk". The odds that he becomes the all-around impactful 50 tackle/10 sack 2021 Joey Bosa are probably sub 10%. The odds that he just gives you 2023 Leonard Floyd level sack production are probably less than 25%. This is why the other teams were reportedly offering much less. I'd say he got money that would normally be associated with at least a 50% chance of being worth it. That money usually gets you that. Not in this case. Like everyone else I am hoping Beane hits the jackpot but this Bosa/Hoecht/Ogunjobi/Palmer class is 4 guys paid with the obvious expectation that they all would be more productive in 2025 than they had been in 2024. It feels eerily reminiscent of that 2018 class he signed expecting the same thing.

Kincaid entered the NFL as a TE in name only. Comparing his production to real TE rookie seasons is the bad take. He was put in the slot and fed the Cole Beasley diet as a 24 year old rookie and that lead to a bunch of catches but no yac and no red zone impact. He literally put up numbers that got Cole Beasley cut after the 2021 season. He supposedly had the best hands in the draft in 2023 but he had a woeful second season filled with big drops and an inability to make a contested catch. This is a guy they traded UP for in the first round. Yeah, he has sucked to this point. He needs to get A LOT better at EVERYTHING a TE is asked to do in his age 26 season.

Yeah, your morality division is interesting but not anything to do with the point. The point is.......Moulds personally wasted 2 years of his career(when his 1996 draft peers came out firing). Which were also 2 years of some of the most talented Bills football teams he played on. He's not a sympathetic character even if you don't care whatsoever about him being a deadbeat dad, choking women out or knowingly infecting them with STD's. He wasted more opportunity with his lack of focus on his craft early than he lost later by not having a great QB. Having guys like Flutie and Rojo and Bledsoe gave him guys who had limited field vision and were therefore willing to throw jump balls up to his always-covered ass 10 times per game in his prime. Literally 150 targets per season in his prime 2000-2004. He had a near perfect setup in Buffalo to be able to succeed despite his limitations getting open. After his surreal 1998 season(the greatest Bills WR season ever by far).......he put on 10 more pounds of muscle, which slowed him down considerably and he then struggled mightily to get open for the rest of his career despite there being was much less physicality allowed within routes, at the top of routes, and prior to the catch point than there is today. Much less. It's almost an unrecognizable game played in the secondary by comparison. Back then, receivers were hit at the line but then could not be grabbed, ridden around and water-skied all over the field like they are today without drawing a flag. Defense's instead dealt with them by gratuitous violence as the ball arrived and after the catch.

Yeah........how many times have we linked the clip with him arguing with fans and telling them he can do as he pleases because he's rich and they're not etc..? He and his bro are well known to be douches........and that kind of arrogance is not a negative in his line of business. But at this point, he sounds like a guy whose confidence is about crushed. While his friends/associates in media were talking about how he has a lotta' football left and just needs to have a big year and get back in the big money game next offseason.........he sounds like a guy who took the biggest deal he could get because he thinks it's probably the last one. Hard to blame him. Kicked to the curb by his team a couple weeks earlier, low-balled on the market, hasn't been healthy for 3 straight years now. Instead of asking your wife to analyze his personality ask her to get her rosary out and start saying prayers for his hopeful but unlikely return to form. 😂

Yeah there is little point in trading Kincaid for anything less than a straight-up day 2 pick at this point, IMO. As I said, the key season in TE development is typically year 3 so they just need to hope he got the message in his exit interview and the thinly veiled criticism they've made of him to the media. I'd love to draft a 2026 Knox replacement in April. A real full-capacity TE. But going into the season with just Knox.......the low level backup quality Morris........and a rookie.......is not a great spot to be in when they already don't really pose much of a matchup threat at WR.

Yeah it's so refreshing hearing a 29 year old player you just signed admit he could be washed.

Moulds didn't break out "from under" Andre Reed..........he was just a totally useless POS for the first two seasons. He couldn't get out from under ANY of the Bills WR's. Beating on women, evading child support.......he was too pre-occupied off the field to be of any use on it. He broke out in 1998 because he knew the Bills were ready to release him that training camp if he didn't prove his worth. And back then, with 1st round contract values vastly inflated versus the rank and file, that meant he was facing a HUGE pay cut if he hit the street as the busted bum he was to that point.

While the bar is low, Kincaid's rookie year actually sucked. He averaged a truly pathetic, RB-like 9 yards per catch with just 2 TD's. Which means he wasn't producing between the 20's OR the redzone. Knox is not a great TE either but his 127.8 passer rating when targeted in 21' was 30 points higher than Kincaid's best. AND Knox had 9 TD's that year. And if it seems like Kincaid just can't seem get past the sticks......it's because he can't. In the two prior years before Kincaid arrived a pass completed to Knox had a 58% likelihood to produce a first down. A completed pass to Kincaid has resulted in a first down just 44% of the time. Dalton Kincaid has truly sucked so far. Sometimes it takes until year 3 for a TE to breakout but banking on it would be a mistake.

The franchise tag for CB will be about $21M next offseason. And the Bills will likely have the space to exercise that or the lesser($18M) transition tag. So even if Benford really has a great year they can retain him for at least one more season and likely for less $ than the AAV would be on a new deal.

There is a town pronounced Camp-bell and school system in the southern tier that is pronounced Camp-bell Savona. Talbot is a school teacher on the other side of the same boondocks of full of small schools and inevitably would hear that name a lot even if he wasn't working in the school system there. https://wellsvillesun.com/blog/2024/12/10/olean-huskies-hold-on-to-defeat-wellsville-52-51-j-t-campbell-savona-win-b-r-fillmore-wellsville-volleyball-win/

Yep and Jake Kumerow was genetically Jake Pyle. Some dude named Kumerow stole Palmer Pyle's valor.

I know it was 28 pages ago.......but c'mon.😂 The Bosa's are some notoriously arrogant dudes. Not that anyone should give a sh!t that they are because it's ultimately a bloodsport played for our amusement but some Bills fans set the character bar so high and then when they find out they aren't perfect they turn on them. Violent game for violent people..........and he may turn out to be totally washed but he's always played the game violently. Needed trait for this defense.

They should have signed Campbell numerous times. 2020, 2023, 2024. I tend to think he refuses to consider Buffalo because it makes no sense that they haven't acquired him at some point.

To clarify, he was really bad last year though. 123.9 passer rating? Yikes. And I can't remember seeing a 33 pff rating for a CB before. Seems purdy washed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHJ9zHxyVRG/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Not many moments left per Joey. On his last nanner'.

Nick Bosa the best DE in football? No. C'mon. That is clearly Myles Garrett. Garrett's consistent productivity is bordering on historically unique for the position at this point. This is why you and @Warriorspikes51 are the polar opposites.........he believes in the unlikely and you unnecessarily exaggerate impossibilities using your own brand of hyperbole. Like arguing contracts at face value and conflating the trade viability of a Jamar Chase and Josh Allen. Two clearly different categories of tradeability. Taking the contrary position about trade possibilities or stars changing teams is generally going to be right but nonetheless these things happen with plenty of frequency. Wasn't that long ago that Joey Bosa signed his big deal or when nobody thought that Davante Adams, arguably the best WR in the NFL at the time, would be traded by Green Bay. Adams is on his 4th team now.

Yeah but those were all very established players over multiple years prior. Edwards was a 3+ year starter in LA and Rapp started at safety on their SB winning team. Daryl Williams was literally an All-Pro tackle with Carolina. Feliciano isn't in that category, he signed a low end starters deal by 2019 standard so not really a flyer. Spain had been a full time starter for the 3 years prior(he just wasn't in demand for character reasons which became evident just months after the Bills re-signed him the following offseason, unfortunately). So Beane has hit on a few of his injury/character flyers. But none of those were in the never-was-prior category. Like a Tyrod or Lorenzo Alexander in 2015, for instance. Finding talent that flourishes where it hadn't/couldn't elsewhere. I don't expect Pro Bowl and NFL DPOY contender type performances like Tyrod and Lorax had but one starter would be a start at least. Forrest only started for a partial season prior so I would put him in that category of found talent in the event that he pans out.

Beane needs to bring in a few(or more) of these change-of-scenery types and hopefully one of them hits and they find a cheap starter or better. Free agency has been by far Beane's biggest weakness and this is one category where he's never really gotten much of anything. If memory serves correct, Ty Johnson is about the only cheap/talented but never-was-at-prior-stops types he has found in pro personnel in his prior 7 offseasons.

Yeah I remember when they wanted a big 1 tech to keep blockers off of their gigantic 6'5# 250# MLB when the league was nearing it's peak as a passing league............then as the league goes back to running the ball more they want two 3T tech types in the middle to allow their 220# MLB to be consumed by blockers and totally negate his elite blitzing ability. This new defense better be damn creative because this counter-intuitive stuff that then subsequently doesn't work is getting a bit old.

Likely just coincidental. I think Pegula has probably learned his lesson wrt dealing with agents. I doubt he had anything to do with that situation. Todd France being cozy with Pegula is how Marcell Dareus got that unprecedented, no-personal-conduct-clause megadeal from Terry. Man, that was a costly lesson for Terry.