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The difference is I trust Josh to continue to be THAT good. Gabe.........he can easily have a 3-14 target day like against the Jets or drop the big pass at the end of a game like he did in Jacksonville.........he's still got to prove he can do it game-in-game-out..........so I'm hesitant to give him too much credit for a career day against a depleted secondary that was rolling coverage to Diggs.

If only the Giants could afford such luxuries as a $6M slot receiver. Schoen and Daboll got their work cut out for them.

When he said, unsolicited, that "Cole can still play in this league".........that was comical. If they bring him back I will be f*cking shocked. 😆

Gronk averaged almost 15 yards per reception last year............about double what Beasley did. I think it would make them more explosive.......as well as better running the ball.........actually.

Well when I say "none" with regard to leverage...........I am taking into account that if he were a street free agent who played like he did last year he wouldn't even have his pick of "futures" contracts. He was THAT bad. And the Giants are on the hook for $7.22M for him next year...........not an unguaranteed league minimum deal. Obviously.........it should be off the table to pay him anything close to $7M per year on a long term deal at this point. Guaranteeing another cent over the $7.22M would be hard to justify. He has "proven" by his work in 2022 that he might not even be good enough to devote a roster spot in 2023, let alone long term money. A new deal right now should be a total non-starter from the Giants perspective..........and not in the best interest of Barkley and his agent unless they actually think he's going to flame out of the league next season. So if you want to say that "in the land of make believe this is a chance" then that's your choice. It's a ridiculous take though. Yeah a couple more weeks of outside zone and Daboll wouldn't have had a new HC job and might not even have stayed in Buffalo. The OL just could not execute it............it's a big ask athletically...........they weren't up to making that outside step and still getting into their blocks quickly. So it would require another set of changes on the OL. If they did that they'd be lucky to afford the best oft-injured outside zone runner available........Raheem Mostert.

Take a stab at this contract you envision..........might as well put the icing on this cake you've made.

He would have been an upgrade over Knox this year. Clearly........he put up much bigger numbers. Question is do you want to commit to more 12 personnel..........which I don't think is a bad idea at all........it opens up bigger plays downfield for this offense and makes them better running the ball as a side benefit. Gronk's stats would have been second to Gabe Davis in yards per reception and first on the team with 6.4 yards of RAC.......which is very high........higher than his peer Travis Kelce(6.1), for instance.

The Bills offered him a comparable one year deal to what he accepted in Tampa.

He has a short term prove it deal already...........for $7,217,000 guaranteed in 2022. You should be concerned that you can't understand this. Really. Now if the Giants for some stupid reason decide to cut him outright..........which would be inexplicable unless he has some sort of unforeseen character issue.........then he can choose wherever he wants to play for a minimum salary for one year and hope to cash in next offseason. He isn't signing some cheap 2-3 year deal at that point. And calling out the people who want to pay an elite pass rusher instead of a RB? What world aren't pass rushers worth FAR more than RB's? It's just a very illogical thread.

Yep, what they offered last year won't fit in the budget this time. But he put up 800+ yards on about the same amount of grabs that Dawson Knox put up less than 600 last year.............he's not washed up by any means.

Yes. That won't be popular take here on Ex-Pat-Bills-Drive..........but the Gronks and their business are still part of the community for those of us who actually live here.

If the Giants were able to release him with no cap consequence it would be no different than him having a fully UNGUARANTEED contract............it is a critical distinction because then the Giants would then have leverage to re-negotiate his contract. Instead they have none. It's not just a "fair cop" of minor import......it makes a huge difference in regard to the possibility of "renegotiating" his contract. With that deal fully guaranteed he can negotiate his next deal under the assumption that he bounces back to his 2018 form.

Happless gave you bad info........Barkley can't simply be released at no cost.........the Giants are stuck with his $7M either way..........so there is NO leverage to be used against Barkley or his agent in an upcoming deal. Now if you are Barkley........you hope to reproduce your rookie year numbers and sign a 4 year $60M deal with $30M guaranteed after the 2022 season. You don't want to venture a guess because you want to live in the land of make believe. What kind of compromise do Barkley and his agent agree to make to get "a new deal or an extension"? Let's say 3 year extension @$30M would be the basis........2/3 of the value at 3/4 of the length. The guaranteed money would be the $7M guaranteed in 2022.......converted to signing bonus.........plus half the value of the other 3 years @ $10M per ($15M). That could get his cap hit down to a manageable $2.5M-$3M in 2022 before exploding in subsequent years and leaving you with more than $20M in guarantees left. So do you want to guarantee $22M total to a RB who hasn't produced for 2 years........with a long injury history? It's an absurd notion.

You are giving @Alphadawg7's goofy idea a lot of false hope. "Beginning with 2018 first-round picks, the fifth-year salary is fully guaranteed when the option is exercised. A player's fourth-year base salary will also become fully guaranteed at the time the option year is picked up, if it wasn't already." -Apr 21, 2021

Trading Beasley doesn't save any cap space at all that cutting him wouldn't........his dead money is all in unaccrued signing bonus that the Bills can't shake...........NONE of the rest of his money is guaranteed like Barkley's so it's not even remotely a trade match......it's apples and oranges. And the Giants are right up against the cap.......just $13,000 below it actually😆..........so can't really see them taking on Beasley's $6.1M in trade and THEN asking him to re-do the deal. If the Giants eat all of Barkley's $7M except for the league miniumum.........then he has modest value.........maybe a 5th-7th round pick if he can pass a physical. But why would they pay him to go away like that? He's in his walk year. It's in the interest of both parties that he stay and produce as much as he can.

One of the spicy aspects is that what does it say about McDermott's relationship with his offensive coaches if they want to leave success, stability and Josh Allen to join Brian Daboll in a very difficult situation in NY? Let's face it.........that Giants team has a losing culture..........the talent isn't good enough.........the salary cap situation is awful........the odds of a previously thrice fired OC like Daboll making it past 3 years in NY, objectively, gotta' be less than 20%. Perhaps much less. Personally, as a Hurricanes fan I've never really warmed to Dorsey. He was a weak link on what many consider the greatest collection of talent a college football team has ever had.........he choked in the second national championship game against an inferior opponent.........he hasn't exactly torn it up as an NFL coach, he's basically relied on the goodness of his Carolina connections. The idea that me might turn his back on a promotion with McBeane. LOL. I was not at all thrilled about the prospect of him being the OC at the U.......let alone with the Bills. But all that being said........you never know until you see the guy actually calling plays.

It did seem kinda' odd that Beane made that comment about retaining all their people though. Seemed like they knew there was going to be an attempt at lateral poaching. And yes........I am sure Beane would consider Dorsey passing on the Bills OC job to take a different OC job as a lateral move. Would definitely add some spice and entertainment to the offseason and already hateful relationship many Bills fans have with the Giants(particularly victims of SBXXV and middle staters who share territory with Giants fans) if they ended up fighting over it. Honestly, IMO there are typically and abundance of coaches available and capable of being a good OC when they have a great QB like Josh Allen..........but there is always uncertainty when choosing a new one.

The presumption is that the Bills were offering the same promotion to OC. Otherwise, who cares if he leaves? Remember..........McDermott and Beane brought Dorsey to Buffalo.........he wasn't a Daboll connection..........they worked with him in Carolina and interviewed him for the Bills OC position in 2017.

Interviewing and actually leaving for the same position being offered by the team they are under contract to are two different things. If the Bills retained and promoted Dorsey all along with the stated intention of him assuming Daboll's role..........as Josh Allen's opinion seemed to be.............and instead Dorsey and Daboll had conspired too leave together all along, denying the Bills a chance to groom a successor.........I could see Beane exercising their rights to the fullest.

The last I knew it still was. And that's assuming that the Bills themselves aren't offering him the OC position.............which would thereby be lateral by definition not just by past league rules..............in which case they would almost certainly let him leave without compensation improve his coaching position.

And Beane has said that they plan to retain all of their people........which sounded like they weren't going to just let people make lateral moves. I believe Dorsey is under contract and leaving would be a lateral move which the Bills must approve...........perhaps they are even talking compensation with the Giants. There could be a lot of different things going on.

Oh really? What would that contract look like to you? If Barkley were cut today.........he would clear waivers and become a free agent because of that $7M+ guaranteed contract. He has ZERO trade value. The only way he gets traded is if the Giants eat all but the league minimum portion of his contract. Any new deal he gets from another team will START with $7M in guarantees. The Bills are a bit tight for cap space...........they would likely have to spread a deal with him over 3 years or more to get him in for a $2M type cap hit..........which begs the question "why would Barkley accept two cheap years added to his contract?". He would not. His goal is to collect his $7M...........have a big year.........and hit free agency. Trading him doesn't make sense for either the Giants or Barkley at this point..........they might as well roll with him.

His salary is FULLY GUARANTEED for 2022. Do you understand what that means? They cut him.........he still gets paid. He has no motivation to "re-do" his deal without guaranteeing him $7M...........nobody is doing that at this point with a RB. Ask Leonard Fournette.........an equally "generational" RB talent. He will cost the Giants capital to get rid of.

That was a lot of wasted time. With a $7M plus cap hit......coming off two lost seasons............Barkley is less than worthless in trade to any NFL team.

Another Sabres loss and Seattle win away from 3rd place in the lottery...........but Philly is coming on fast.