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They are required to interview candidates outside of the organization before hiring a new OC.

In his several prior NFL OC stops he was used to finishing with offensive ranks in the 30's..........so he might fit in a long line of recent Giants HC's in that regard. He was worth more to the Bills as an OC for continuity than he is anyone else in the NFL IMO..........but best of luck to him. Hopefully the next OC can take the Bills offense to the next level.

Yeah but Ocho was actually seen as very smart, a technician that got he most of his athletic ability........ but did so with a goofy diva act. McKenzie is a bad practice player who hasn't seemed to be able to learn how to elevate his game. Belichick needs to add speed to his offense but it's really hard to envision a bad practice player who then comes into games and makes mental errors is going to be a priority add for BB.

The 1990 Bills choked in SB XXV. The McDermott Bills have all been underdogs in their losses...........so not a choke. Homefield is still worth 1.5-3 points to Vegas. Learn it or be wrong.

Bills in playoffs this century: 3-0 at home in playoffs 0-4 on road in playoffs home field is not meaningless. Also #1 seed means a bye and less games to win to get there.

Belichick hates dumb players. McKenzie is somewhere between a box of rocks and a stump on the scale.

He has 5 SB rings with NE and a national championship ring with Alabama as a non-HC already.

Yes. He's an elite talent that is dirt cheap next season........just over $1M due, so cheaper than a first rounder.........which is really important and allows them to make other moves in the short term. To me.......Josh Allen with DK Metcalf has always been the ulimate potential combo of physical freaks at their positions............should have happened on draft day 2019. There are downsides..........he will be a free agent in 2023........putting him at Z means Gabe Davis or even Diggs might have to play some slot to get all 3 on the field. But Metcalf is a potential full season TD record breaker out wide when combined with Josh Allen........a perfect match for Allen's powerful arm(and seemingly improving deep ball)...........a giant target when the weather gets bad in Buffalo.........a player who will physically exhaust the opposition as well. I'm also a little leery about extending Diggs contract.........he's still really good but I don't want to see them give him some 5 year extension for $100M on top of what's left based on what I saw this season.........he's got enough mileage on him that I'd like the option of seeing both Metcalf and Diggs together and decide after next season which way to go long term. If you lose Metcalf in UFA........that's a fifth year option you don't have to worry about and you likely get a late 3rd round comp pick for him in 2024. Doesn't sound like much but there is no guarantee that 25th overall pick is going to be better than Shaq Lawson. Also, Gabriel Davis has not proven to me that he can be relied on all season..........he has had big games both seasons........but I still don't trust him to be the uncontested WR2. The inconsistencies and days when he just hasn't been able to make a play(like the likely game losing drop in Jax for example), the games missed and hindering nagging injuries both years, his decision making that cost him the chance to play in the second NE game, and just the lack of actually having a 800-1000 yard season yet tells me he doesn't yet warrant that nod for a team who is shooting for a #1 seed or bust against teams like KC and Cinci who are loaded with more proven weapons.

I felt this way after they went ahead with the FIRST TD late........that Josh Allen had just proven to me and anyone else that he was going to an MVP type player for a long time..........even though I was certain that KC would absolutely march down the field playing 4 down football, kill the clock and score a TD and beat the Bills and their tired defense at that point. So it wasn't hard for me to get back there after Hill scored quick and everything else that ended up happening. Couple hours after the game I was done with the what-if's.............the team as a whole didn't play well enough to warrant all that hand-wringing that is going on about the "13 seconds". They didn't earn the right to win that game.........they only almost got lucky because of a 1 man show that Allen put on.

You thought that the possessions were equal in regulation. They were not..........so don't make the mistake of thinking you are some sort of mathematician when you presumably have 20 fingers and toes and can't even count that high. The only way you can get back-to-back possessions in regulation is to win the opening toss and defer. While that is no guarantee.......per Sharp analysis.........receiving the ball to start the second half results, on average, in an extra point on the scoreboard(versus receiving the first half kick) and a 12% chance of stealing a possession. This is why teams almost universally defer to receiver until the second half. As it turned out........the Chiefs did indeed "steal" that possession.

1st half - even Bills start with ball Chiefs finish with it 2nd half -1 Chiefs start with ball Chiefs finish with it OT -1 Chiefs get the ball

Yeah, they had several drives like that in the middle of the game that ended with them taking the ball out of Allen's hands despite him being hotter than any QB in memory. On a day when they lost two coin flips and subsequently ended up with 2 less posessions.........they couldn't afford to lose drives in that manner.

Yes........FAR too much is being made of it. The team that played better for the majority of the game won...........even though they missed two kicks in the first half. Almost stole one..........got another lesson in playing the Chiefs though...........all-gas-no-brakes is how you gotta' play on offense. They tried to get out of a shootout in the middle of the game and that backfired. Would have been awesome to win............would have gladly taken it..........but they didn't "deserve" it.

You guys just want to say "but maybe McDermott and Beane's Bills would have been a bad place for Mahomes to develop".............I literally pointed out reasons why it is very unlikely they would have kept Mahomes from becoming great in relatively short order. As usual the "but the Bills woulda' ruined him" crowd really has no reason for their take other than just because some other QB's failed with other coaches. It's utter vaguery.

Anyone who didn't assume the son of a relative NFL offensive coordinating icon and former big time NCAA head coach(USC and Pitt).........with his playing experience and academic background.........would someday become an NFL HC.........probably wasn't paying much attention. Doesn't mean he will be good............but if anything it's surprising it took that long for him to be handed a job.

Just fyi.........in my experience this board is not at all representative of the fans that actually attend Bills games either. We have some locals and ST holders but the majority of the content and the emotion of the board is driven by ex-pats who often have a very different view of things than the people actually living it everyday in WNY. You aren't really going to meet "TSW" at a home game.

If I'm not terribly flexible to vague presumptions........I'm sorry if that hurts the feelings of people who just want to argue blindly for the sake of doing so.........but don't tell me Patrick Mahomes is a product of a system..........the guy was raised by a pro athlete to be a pro athlete.........he was absolutely dominant in college throwing for 9700 yards and 77 TD's in his sophomore and junior seasons before declaring..........we aren't talking about a guy who was just learning how to play quarterback when he arrived in the NFL. And the whole notion that Andy Reid was an offensive genius his whole career is false............his Eagles teams were actually most successful on defense(see Jim Johnson)...........and Reid and Alex Smith once teamed up for an ENTIRE SEASON where the Chiefs didn't throw a single TD pass to a wide receiver. And this was AFTER Alex Smith had put up 600+ yards against a Bills team.....the most yards they've ever allowed in a game.......... in his last year in SF. So it's not like Smith was lousy before Reid got his hands on him. Reid is a good coach.........but he couldn't turn water into wine. Mahomes was going to be a great player, regardless.

1. I didn't say their offense was anemic that season.........I said it was when they played the Bills and the McDermott/Frazier defense. Smith was not able to access weapons in the passing game the way that Mahomes is. They probably had a better offensive team around Smith then than they have around Mahomes now...........like I said, they had the league's leading rusher in addition to Hill and a younger Kelce. 2. Did Josh Allen not "suck" his rookie year? The Josh Allen we saw Sunday is a FAR f*cking cry from the Josh Allen of 2018. Wasn't he the least accurate starting QB in the NFL in 2018? Let's not pretend that Josh Allen came into the NFL anywhere close to as developed as Mahomes. Mahomes was a stud in his first career start in 2017 and was the best player in the entire league in 2018. He was going to be damn good one way or the other. If anything he may have almost leveled off immediately because he was already arguably the best QB anyone had ever seen in 2018. Allen probably just reached Mahomes 2018 level late in this season.

I know his alma mater The U reportedly has a salary of over $1.5M per year on the table in search for their next OC. Daboll was one of the highest paid OC's in the league in Buffalo at I believe around $2M. So I think Dorsey might have a decision to make between college and the NFL as well.

So as rookies: Patrick Mahomes as a Bills rookie in 2017 with Sammy Watkins and a strong OL that had just lead the NFL in rushing for two straight seasons supported by a solid veteran defense........a team that would make the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and without Watkins.............or Josh Allen in 2018 stepping into the worst offensive personnel situation in the entire NFL, HANDS DOWN.......dreadful receivers and a horrific OL. No question Mahomes would have had an easier path. Does Mahomes throw 50 TD's as a rookie? Probably not. But does he suck? Hell no. Go back and watch Alex Smith with Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce and the league's leading rusher Kareem Hunt in the game against the Bills in 2017. Anemic. Make no mistake that Mahomes has elevated the talent around him from his first start late in 2017 and thereafter. He needed a redshirt season to succeed like Brady needed to ride the pine for 3 seasons before he was ready to compete in NE. You are asking a question just for asking sake.............not because it actually makes any real sense.

Yeah.........and the mistake some Bills fans make is thinking that the Bills are the team in position to improve and the Chiefs will stay status quo so they can be caught. I just saw a 2021 re-draft on TDN..........and while Rousseau went 21st overall in hindsight..........the Chiefs had 2 players that they deemed would have gone in the first in a re-draft.........the two lineman Humphrey(2nd round) and Smith(6th round). While I generally disagree with interior OL going in round 1, the point is that they have just as much ability to improve and they have been aggressive and successful in doing so.

I don't make the assumption that Patrick Mahomes somehow couldn't succeed in Buffalo anymore than I assumed Allen couldn't succeed in Buffalo. Mahomes is an incredible athlete/player/competitor............if anything he had an edge entering the league because he grew up the son of a long time pro athlete and played in a more sophisticated system in college etc.. That "but he wouldn't have succeeded here" losers lament was always a crutch Bills fans leaned on. Brady couldn't have made it with this team...........Big Ben couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........if they hadn't traded that pick for JP Losman they could have drafted Aaron Rodgers but he couldn't have made it in Buffalo...........Russell Wilson couldn't have made it in Buffalo with that staff...........transcendent talents also elevate their environment.

Yep, love Josh. But Josh wasn't in the 2017 draft. The Bills reticence to draft a QB on only 5 months notice..........and the subsequent trade of a pick they knew was going to be one of those QB's to a division rival.......for bad draft capital value to boot.........made the Chiefs dynasty possible. And yes, nowadays what is likely 3 straight SB trips and 2 titles would certainly be a dynasty. Maybe in a decade in review they will have come out of the period with more success............but the point is...........you don't decide what draft in which you pick your QB..........you need to always be prepared to pull that trigger when you don't have one. They were fortunate to avoid the fate that Buddy Nix did when he tried to build the team up and then ended up with a draft with EJ and Geno at the top when he was finally comfy enough to make his move.

Yep, but it would have to be a discount over what they offered him last offseason when he chose to pass on Buffalo the first time.........because cap space is going to be tight and TE2 isn't at the top of the priority list.

Our personal preference for "our guy" doesn't make 1 Lombardi(and perhaps counting), multiple AFC titles and an MVP award for the team we traded Mahomes to go away. It's fixable..........but it's certainly a mess of the Bills own doing that their path to a championship is now twice blocked by said QB they traded to a longtime AFC rival. Point though is that it was never a valid excuse. You don't need more than a few months to identify a QB and decide if he's worthy of selection..........the teams that haven't hired new HC's will still be evaluating QB's...........it was a convenient excuse for a very perculiar situation they put themselves into.