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As the slot receiver he's always been "the quick outlet under pressure" in Buffalo. That's what he's been basically his entire career, in fact.........and he's almost always been MUCH more productive than this year in ypc. One of his gripes he had about being in Dallas was that they "only threw to me on 3rd down"..........implying that they only gave him the chance to make small plays but with all of the pressure on him. Talk about just arguing for the sake of arguing.

No doubt it was a good deal. It was being oversold as the only way to skin that cat though............and neglecting that a lot of luck was involved in Allen slipping to #7. To me...........I just appreciate a Bills GM/HC/Ownership combo actually agreeing that they should trade-up-from or use that original first round pick to take the QB they deemed the best for the first time in 58 years. Adding hyperbole to the origin story is unnecessary.

He only played 2 full games in 2019.........he was really showing out though. Yeah they weren't the same front afterward.

He didn't cash in on the pass rush party. It's my opinion that he has been dealing with turf-toe or something that's hindering his power.........he hasn't been the same since that KC game......I suppose it could also be a rookie wall.......he only played one season in college and if the Bills advance deep in the playoffs he will have played basically twice as many games as he did in that one season at Miami when you factor in all the preseason/regular/postseason games. He hasn't been nearly as impactful rushing the passer since that KC/Tenn period............but by the same token Groot tied for the NFL lead with 32 run stops on the year so he's been very productive.

He really was trending this way before he hurt his knee though..........he was A LOT better than Star Lotulelei already at that moment in 2019. Took a lot longer to get back there than expected...........but he was a tackling machine at Stanford even though he was a 0 tech nose tackle............his senior year at Stanford he had 98 tackles 17 TFL and 7.5 sacks.........which were basically Star's stats for his entire career at Utah.

Edelman = Lenny Dykstra 2.0

We will be there with bells on So excited for the first game of the year without rain!

Modell was a people pleaser..........Ralph was selfish. Modell couldn't say no to anyone..........he wouldn't play hardball with Cleveland and the city knew it so they kept putting the Browns stadium on the back burner.......... then the city literally built a "hardball" stadium for the tradition-poor(but trending upward) Indians when the Browns were playing in a total dump..........Modell was in debt up to his ears from bad business deals, loans he gave out to deadbeats and grossly overpaying players and staff to make everyone like him.........and finally he had to slip out of town in shame. It was probably Modell's worst nightmare. People think Ralph just objected to the Browns moving..........I think he was mostly just disgusted by Modell's very different business acumen and resented the fact that the Baltimore deal bailed his sorry ass out. Ralph had his flaws but he wasn't going to ruin his franchise just to make people like him........he looked out for #1 and that did serve to keep the franchise profitable. And keeping the team in town and his Ralph C Wilson charitable foundation will ensure that his legacy endures LONG after those of us who know what he was actually like as an owner and endured his mercurial stewardship will be alive to tell about it.

There was no "original trade"..........they traded with Cinci to move up weeks before the draft..........nothing was close to set in stone that early. What part of "their was plenty of draft capital to move up to #7 overall without the Cordy Glenn trade" do you NOT get? Like I said..........they accumulated all of the 2018 picks in 2017 thinking that they might need all that capital to move up for their QB of choice.........and it would have cost ALL of that and perhaps multiple early picks in subsequent years......and been worth it..........had Allen not fallen out of the top 3.

I'm not counting out a potentially strong passing game. If it's not windy they might be able to throw it around well.

In all seriousness........this is a hot coffee tailgate game if there ever was one:

I know the BBFS is strong in a lot of you but best case scenario for me is: Beat NE at home (go 1-0 in playoffs versus NE) Beat KC on road (avenge AFCCG loss) Beat Cinci at home (other team to beat the Bills in an AFCCG) or TN on road (MCM revenge) Beat Tampa in SB (obvious) I don't want any part of the Raiders or Steelers.......or Cinci before the AFCCG......those are games the team might not get up for and won't be as fun to beat.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaq or Jordan Phillips back on a cheap deal next year. They really don't need an edge setter at LDE anymore though.........Groot had a dominant season against the run. "Rousseau made his mark against the run, tallying an incredible 32 defensive run stops, which was tied for the most in the league and far more than any other rookie." -ESPN "best players of the year" feature

Ralph may have had a "soft spot" for Buffalo..........but it was actually the perfect fit for him as well........people who act like he did the area a favor keeping the team here take for granted how important his legacy was to him. The Bills never moved because of his ego. He not only made himself synonymous with a town and a team........but he lliterally unnecessarily pocketed tens of millions for years, at the expense of the on field product and the fans, ultimately just to fund a charity in his name alone........so he would never be forgotten. He wasn't a good enough owner to consistently field good teams either way so if he'd have gone thru the turmoil of moving elsewhere, he'd have surely disappointed the locals who had no connection to him and just been "that guy" who owned the team before the smart, young owner that bought it after him. Basically like Art Modell.

Give it 50 more years, like with Ralph..........the Pegula kids might have an asset worth a trillion+ (or the equivalent in whatever currency is then).

I never said they were going to try to trade directly up to #7. At this point it was already commonplace for teams to trade up in steps. Trading #21 and #22 would have been a whole lot more value than the Bills got trading down with KC the year prior so they were going to be able to get wherever they needed to reach #7 and do it with relative ease. The problem would have been getting all the way to #2 or #3 overall.........which they were fortunate not to have to because some teams really drafted very shortsightedly in the top 6. Here's an interesting twist to this...............because Eric Wood had to retire, Incognito quit, and Glenn was traded.........the Bills had an absolute train wreck on the offensive line in 2018. Allen took a beating and since that OL was such a cluster*ck it really made it difficult for them to get a good read on the career outlook of a talented young guard who they stole in round 5 that year named Wyatt Teller. Beane subsequently traded the future All Pro guard for a late round pick the next summer. Probably his worst individual move. If the OL consists of Glenn as well Dawkins then perhaps they never deal Teller.

We aren't talking past each other..........you STRONGLY implied they didn't have the draft capital to trade up for Allen if they hadn't traded Glenn to Cinci. My first point is that is absolutely and obviously NOT the case........disingenuous to suggest otherwise and the exact type of thing you would call me out on(but I don't use such egregious hyperbole). What they saved by dealing Glenn..........they used(and then some) to draft Tremaine Edmunds. I liked both the Glenn trade and the Edmunds pick............but the reality is they could have also not traded Glenn.......traded up for Allen.........and still had the opportunity to select a better MLB than Tremaine Edmunds.

So you are saying trading the #21 and #22 overall picks wouldn't get you up to #12? Really? Well obviously you're just wrong.........that would have obviously been great value for the team with #12 overall...........so I assume you are confused. Beane also lamented a little bit that Tampa got more than he should have had to pay to move up to #7.......but the way that the Bills picks aligned......Tampa was able to get extra value. And btw Darius Leonard and Fred Warner are the All Pro ILB's that were selected after Edmunds so I don't know what all the other name dropping is about.

That has nothing to do with it.........they still had the 22nd pick and a second rounder to move up ahead of those teams with. When they made the Mahomes pick trade with KC and later when Beane traded Watkins and Darby they did so expecting to need ALL of those picks to move up to get their QB. As it turned out it didn't cost that much to move up and some dumb teams passed on QB's for runnin' bax and interior offensive lineman. So it wasn't as if they didn't have the ammunition to get up to #7 before that trade............it just allowed them to still trade up for and draft Edmunds.........who has been solid but really unspectacular..........in a draft that produced two legit All Pro ILB's in the 50 picks after him.

It was a curious trade from Cinci's perspective, that is for sure. But they still had plenty of ammo to get Allen. And there was a degree of luck involved in that subsequently horrible 2018 OL not getting the rookie QB killed. Allen might be the biggest play maker in the NFL.............the assets they saved(and then some) turned into maybe the guy who leads the league in "plays below expectation" in Tremaine Edmunds.

Stephen Ross wants to know if he gets any comp picks if the Giants hire Flores.

Yeah he's probably trying to see if someone else will give him more than a PS deal.........14 playoff teams.......might be a couple that will give him a real roster spot. I was a little surprised that there weren't more veteran cuts in the last two weeks. Figured that would become more of a trend with non-playoff teams with veterans who aren't in their team's plans but also aren't pending UFA's who contribute to comp pick formula.

The Shaq thread is killing the traffic to my rumor thread. Mods.........can we have the Shaq thread merged with mine and keep my title?

I'd be a fan of adding Braxton Berrios. A good draft strategy for the last decade is invest late round picks in Miami Hurricanes...........they've been poorly coached so a lot of very talented players end up under-drafted.