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I agree with a lot of that but I just can't get with the idea that they "nursed" Coleman along. That's the opposite of what happened, IMO. He was the 8th WR off the board and their attitude was "OK, we gave you that first year to learn.......now go out and beat the early first round Christian Gonzalez and Sauce type CB1's in our division". Somehow that made sense to some Bills fans who have been in denial about how serious the Bills WR problem was.

I felt that way in the moment too. In the stands we were talking about how the Bills were executing a perfect Parcells/Belichick style game plan to beat a more explosive opponent.........and then Brady and Allen come out with a one-read 30 air yard throw to their small catch radius slot receiver on 2nd and 9. After further reviewing the game it became clearer to me that my perception was wrong. They possessed the ball because they converted 9 of 17 times on 3rd and 4th down while the Chiefs were just 1-5 on 3rd down and never faced a 4th down. Allen threw the ball 39 times and had like a dozen rushes that kept bailing out their sh!t passing game. It was anything but systematic. If they drew it up like that it would have ended even worse at least 9 times out of 10. The strategy at the end of that game made 13 seconds look like a stroke of genius by the Bills coaching staff and Josh Allen for signing off on giving Mahomes the ball back down 4 to play 4 down football for 1:50.

Two years ago was a lot of TD's ago. I didn't realize that many were sneaks back then. So probably 25 or so total sneak/push TD's? That would be a third of his total which would be more than I thought.

It's feels in some cases though. Like the Baltimore game last January. Just terrible offense. Baltimore didn't respect them outside and took away the explosives in the middle of field. And the KC AFCCG the week later featured a series early in the game where Allen went 3 and out with 2 terrible passes and a drop by Kincaid. And I don't think the 2023 game was really intended to work out like it did. Like I said, they just couldn't connect down the field at times and then had a bunch of late down conversions to keep the ball. That last drive a bomb went thru Diggs hands. Brady was not just trying to control the clock it just almost worked out where they looked smarter than they were.

The only real "ball control" gameplan by the offense out of those 7 was the 2023 Chiefs game. You are just making up an excuse narrative. Even that defensive win in the 2020 Baltimore divisional game.......Allen tried to connect deep several times. Just wasn't happening.

Almost no turnovers and almost no injuries. Very discouraging they haven't done more. It really underscores the inability to win individual matchups at the receiver position. Watching them labor offensively at home again in that Baltimore divisional game after all those high scoring games earlier in the year was exasperating.

The WR room was rudderless because there was no alpha in place. No stud to set the tone. Sorta like former All Pro and alpha-persona Jordan Poyer is now being credited with as Cole Bishop is emerging. I mean.......every WR room has 4 or 5 other guys in it. A hyped rookie who is the #2 focus of marketing by the team behind the QB being told he is going to become WR1 probably isn't going to be taking his lead from Shoeless Mack Hollins and short-arms-slot-only Shakir. There wasn't even a captain in the room anymore with wrong-way Gabe gone. The lack of leadership was acknowledged as a concern of the Bills....I mean, where did you think that applied? And Allen isn't the Aaron Rodgers type either. Not a guy who is going to ride a teammate to make him better like Rodgers did with the enigmatic young version of Davante Adams. The tactical error was basically handing a player you were highly critical of after the season the WR1 job in 2025 and then playing him the most snaps all season as he continues to struggle and only then benching him outright for being late for at least his 3rd practice with the team. That's the definition of a day late and dollar short and the timing of it gives the perception to the public that he's the reason for the teams wildly inconsistent passing game(even if that weren't the case).

And how many ACL's and achilles injuries have decimated the playoff offense? Remarkably, none. Making their underachieving even more disappointing. No real injury excuses in any of them for the offense. Just the defense. The defense has that excuse in multiple of those playoff losses. You can improve a side of the ball all you want but if fluke type injuries like those happen to star players then whose fault is that? Ultimately the offense has underachieved and the defense has underperformed.

OK........so you are anticipating Josh Allen playing until his mid-40's and continuing on the same rushing TD pace until then? I think Allen is the most talented QB ever. But the past few years will probably take his last few years. He needs to get with LeBron on body management asap if he is going to keep playing with a team that won't give him talent to play that 2020-2021 style again.

Yeah and how do you explain away scoring 10 at home against Cinci? The point is that the sample size is now up to 7 games....we don't need to cherry pick. The score is offense -7 per game and defense -7 per game in these Balt/Cinci/KC SB contender level games. But you have people like @Big Turk expounding that it's offense even and defense -98. It's THAT skewed in the minds of the fan base.

I don't know if I'd say they weren't aggressive in the divisional and AFCCG levels. I think you might be referring to the ball control offense in the 2023 home loss to KC but that was just nearly a happy accident. They tried to push the ball downfield unsuccessfully. To the point where they ultimately, idiotically tried to score on a low % shot play to Shakir on 2nd and 9 after the 2 minute warning when the ONLY sensible move was to burn the clock against the gassed KC D and score with no time left. They subsequently got NOTHING. Bad offense. They also turned the ball over on downs on both of their last 2 possessions in KC last January. Outside of that 2021 team they have just not gotten it done offensively in the final 8 level of the playoffs.

1. So the divisional loss to Cinci where they scored 10 points at home doesn't count? Everything isn't about KC........they could have easily lost BOTH of those divisional games to Baltimore as badly as the offense played those days.......and even wrt to KC specifically they only scored 30 in one of those 4 losses. They were terrible offensively in that 2020 loss(with a banged up WR corps). 13 seconds is the only exceptional offensive day they have had in 7 divisional or championship games with Allen. 2. Stats prior to the rules changes of 2010 are irrelevant today. The year after the changes 7 of the top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons took place. That was kind of my point with Peyton Manning. His stats from age 36-38 dwarfed those of most of the rest of his career because the game changed drastically. The statistical standards for QB play now are MUCH higher. Look at Lamar's stats last year. Numbers can go off the charts now compared to the 80's-00's.

I'm not certain he is either. I wasn't certain of Spencer Brown or Cole Bishop either.....but I knew when they hadn't had enough experience to know. After drafting Coleman and then being strangely publicly critical of him after his rookie season they doubled down on him. Shame on them for not doing A LOT more they've really jeopardized their easiest path to a SB since they've been here.

No you are incorrect. In those seven elite 8 level playoff games the offense is scoring 6 less points and the defense is allowing 7 more..........but the defense also had a pick 6 in one of the Baltimore wins so it's basically dead even point differential as to who has underperformed when the real contenders match up. Josh really struggled in both Baltimore wins. He has made critical errors in stalled drives at the end of the last 2 losses to KC. But in both cases, I place the blame on the weapons around him........which were scant.

It was acceptable with Diggs to the point where they idiotically extended him. I sometimes think Beane and McD are just too square to understand human nature. There aren't that many types of personalities. As an employer and team builder you gotta' learn how to get the most out of what is available to you. They drafted Coleman into a rudderless WR room the way they drafted Watkins into one. Getting serious about disciplining him after the fact was a tactical error. They should have been able to glean from last season that Coleman was immature and that they had to have a real WR1 in place this year............instead, they made Coleman WR1 and then benched him after he'd played the most snaps of anyone all season. 😂

Yeah when Allen throws 50 TD passes per 17 game season from age 36-38 I will say he "passed" Peyton Manning.😂 Unfortunately, because of Beane we've thus far been denied seeing if Allen could evolve into one of the greatest passers. And it's cost them as they've gotten deep into the playoffs and Allen has been unable to translate the run-around-til-someone-gets-open offense into production in the elite 8 level of the playoffs. They've had 1 good offensive performance in 7 of those games.

There actually isn't any off field behavior problem that I am aware of. I haven't heard anything of the sort about Keon and probably would have. James Cook? Yeah, that guy was/is an off field concern. But that goes to show how much that matters if you keep expectations modest and let a player ramp up to his level. The problem as I see it is that they promoted Coleman like they'd just drafted Malik Nabers when he was a raw day 2 pick that was likely going to need a significant runway. Now they realize he needs to be 100% all-in right-here-right-now to even get close to the unrealistic timeline that they created with the hype. And as a 22 year old that they handed millions to, he likely just doesn't know what he doesn't know and aint there yet. Remember, this is the same organization that took in Jordan Phillips and gladly dealt with his lack of maturity and unwillingness to do the dirty work necessary to be a versatile DT and damn near glorifies the half effort they have been able to get out of him when Miami cut him for being that guy.

While it's nice to get these niche records, Cam and Kordell aren't HoF players he's passing. I think we'd all prefer to see the 2020 Josh come back but Beane has repeatedly failed to put the players around him in the passing game since after the 2021 season(when the concerns about the WR core really began......at the time wrt the lack of speed after John Brown had flamed out).

Meh.......I think Shakir is trending toward becoming an injury fail. He's not good at avoiding big hits and it's taken it's toll. He was a liability on the field last week. So there might be room for Coleman to develop in the slot if retained in 2026. What would be Billsy is if they got rid of Coleman(and Samuel and Moore) and then Shakir continues to accumulate a brand new injury every week and turns into Terrel Bernard 2.0 while Glass Kincaid continues to shatter on contact.

Parker was actually a 4.45 guy. Where the comparison comes in is that there are multiple examples of these bigger bodied guys taking longer to develop because they lack the speed and or quickness to dominate initially. When Parker broke out he was probably trending toward stringing a few 1000 yard seasons in a row up.....which would be an excellent result from an early second round pick like Coleman. But injuries got Parker and derailed his career after that 1200 yard 9 TD season. Davante Adams and Nico Collins didn't break out until age 24.........that would be year 4 for Coleman. Which illustrates my point about the Bills putting way too much on his plate this year.

When you aren't playing well you look slow. Remember when people were saying Spencer Brown didn't have the feet to play tackle? You can't expect to get early career boundary WR1 results from the 8th WR selected in a draft. But they did. What was maddening was the marketing of him as a rookie.........all the merch that was made by the team and the ridiculous expectations that created. I don't even remember them marketing Allen like that as a rookie but certainly no-non QB rookie in memory was given the treatment like that. And some of the color that made him interesting to the Bills marketing department was clearly a red flag about his maturity level.

You are talking to the guy who was considering getting goats for his suburban home to simplify his turf management. The next time he identifies a pattern before the driving force has left tire marks on him will be the first.

Yeah there are A LOT of people impressed with the Bills WR's yesterday but that is probably the worst pass defense they will face this season. Secondary in disarray and no pass rush to help them. When Dean went down Tampa was f#cked.

Lynch was a sub-league average ypa RB each season from 2007 to 2010. It was fun watching him crash into defenders........but today we'd call him "game script" dependent. In his "pro bowl" season in Buffalo he was actually only 13th in rushing yards and just 25th in ypa with a pretty pathetic 6 yards per catch as a receiver. Despite high first round pedigree Lynch was only worth about a 3rd round pick(Buddy only got a 4th) It certainly wasn't ANYWHERE NEAR the value that a 21 year old 1100 yard 7 TD rookie WR would have today. Probably a first rounder-in-trade level short. So let's be realistic with our parallels. Had Coleman not gotten hurt he likely clears 700 yards as a rookie.......which would have been tremendous rookie production from one of the youngest, least polished WR in that draft. Beane f#cked up royally expecting him to be WR1. He was/is a project with a very high ceiling.

What were your thoughts on the always injured and seemingly football ignorant Cole Bishop back in September? Things change fast in the NFL. The Lynch comparison is apt, IMO, because his complete lack of accountability was a massive problem for a rudderless Bills team at the time. I was one of his most vocal critics but didn't advocate getting rid of him at the time. Like Coleman, he was put in a spot he wasn't mature enough to be able to handle. In both cases the Bills put the cart before the horse.