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They did well with their picks........but they literally drafted 24 players in 2023 and 2024. Nacua was their fourth 5th round pick in 2023. It's so frustrating during draft season listen to Bills fans yack that nonsense about the Bills not having space for all these picks and how they should trade up because somebody might not make the roster. But they are taking their lead from Beane on it. He is the one leading that charge and he's been getting ball washed on TSW for most of that time. Fans ALWAYS turn on management when it occurs to the fans that they don't share the same opinions as management. Volume is a cheat code. The Rams basically risked being a little too young for a couple years and in the middle of year 3 they had been totally rebuilt from a cap strapped, aging team into a SB contender. Since 2017 when they stopped having 1st round picks they have averaged 9.3 picks per class. They have lost a number of solid players in free agency that are still contributing in the league. Like David Edwards. So what? It shouldn't matter. Not everybody needs to be re-signed.

We knew they had 9 home games. Then, when the schedule actually came out and we saw there was no international "home" game..........I mean, that looked like a best case scenario schedule for a reigning division champ. They've blown it for want of a WR1. And hell, if Kincaid stayed healthy they are probably the 1 seed.

Where I think you are wrong is that the Bills can't afford to have poorly coached games. Most games look poorly coached from both sides because styles make fights and everyone is tryna do the same thing. Houston didn't coach their way to victory. They damn near got beat despite 8 sacks and 3 turnovers. And the Bills needed a Khalil Shakir facemask penalty to finish off that Tampa game that people thought was some kind of offensive "formula". It's not really a coaches league right now. Teams have never been more alike in their approaches offensively and defensively. Most games look like an intrasquad scrimmage compared to even 5 years ago. It's not an interesting look for the league, it's more fun when you have those contrasting styles........but the league has moved the game in this direction and if you are a fan of parity you can't be upset with the results. On the plus side........it's not the NBA. The NBA got homogenized years ago but being able to trade 5 years worth of picks has created a super team in OKC that is toying with the rest of the league and still has half the league's first round picks in the near future. They should probably win the next 3-4 titles.

Yep, Beane got him a 1,000 yard receiver from 4 years ago off waivers in late November.........what's Brady's excuse going to be NOW!

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/take-the-north-a-chicago-bears-podcast-f67e3/episodes/tremaine-edmunds-has-thrived-since-moving-to-outside-linebacker-2fcf9 Who'd have EVER thought that moving Edmunds to OLB would elevate his game?

But Cooper was a player who had just put up a 1200+ yard season full of big plays......including a game in that 2023 season where he put up 265 yards. NOTHING gets DC's fired like getting beaten over the top. And Cooper(4) only ranks behind Calvin Johnson(5) and Lance Alworth(5) in career 200+ yard receiving games. His commitment to the game was always in question everywhere he went but at the same time he was a great deep threat. The people on here who act like he wasn't having a significant impact after his arrival just don't understand the psychology of the game. Injuries diminished his skills and along with few months of less than dynamic tape that changed that perception come playoff time. But for a while his presence elevated the passing game A LOT.

I've just always believed that Cooks was just viewed as a middle of the pack WR1 so teams weren't really inclined to pay him WR1 money for that. There seemed to be a pretty endless supply of playmaking WR's in the draft and defense's really didn't go all-in on capping passing games until after they watched the 13 seconds game in horror realizing that you weren't stopping the likes of Allen/Mahomes without putting a cap on big plays. Cooks production started to dry up after that. 2017 was arguably Brady's second best year in NE statistically. With Cooks there. The Patriots were notorious for not valuing WR talent. Brady's efficiency fell off considerably the next two seasons after the Cooks trade. Perhaps if they had kept Cooks that divorce never happens. By the time Brady left they had a WR room that was about bottom-of-league like Josh has now.

I think you've steered us into the infamous Cam Newton malaphor that describes the Carolina Way that Beane can't seem to outgrow:

No I was just at a loss for words regarding you taking the hot button term "force feed" that was used to defend "everybody eats" and attempting to turn it against "everybody eats". We get it........you were convinced it was sustainable. But force feeding does not describe what's happening. Too few options are open to feed. You don't take 8 sacks because you are force feeding covered receivers. The only element of force feeding going on is when Allen is choosing the more risky options on the occasion when he actually has more than one.......and then when normally ball-safe guys like Cook and Shakir are coughing up the ball trying to do too much. All errors accumulated trying to make up for the fact that "everybody eats" has real limitations in a MATCHUP league like the NFL.

Maybe next year, for better or worse, when Mike McDaniel is the OC. I don't blame Brady to the degree that some here do. They've built a WR corps where the two most talented players are intellectually challenged at football and the rest are juiceless if not useless. But I think him being a dead scapegoat walking is one thing McDermott and Beane may still agree on.

Brandin Cooks hasn't been a difference maker in 3-4 years he was once one of the better EP choice-route runners in the game. I might be giving them too much credit but if they had any intention of mixing some Dorsey/Daboll passing concepts back in then they had to get guys in who could do that. Coleman obviously hasn't played in a system where he was being asked to read coverage and make wholesale adjustments like the Bills did in the Diggs days. He can't even be trusted to make the right adjustment later in his route now. Elijah Moore has Cooks-esque physical talent from 5 years ago but he is here because he is notorious for being in the wrong place. The Bills could roll the dice on him because he wasn't being asked to think much in this system.

Yeah and not being positioned to take a giant first step is largely why. When he came out there were 3 things that made him such a productive pass rusher at Miami: 1. A very long first stride that caused OT's to have to make a big leverage choice(see the first play in that clip) 2. His ability to never lose sight of the QB 3. His sure tackling due to the Wilt Chamberlin sized hands He has never really been able to use that long stride to cut OT's from the herd because he is needed to play in tighter alignments and move horizontally so much. In order to do that the Bills needed to be stouter inside and have an "over" rusher to complement his "under". When he's had his moments it's usually when they are getting that from the opposite side. I get that Bills fans want him to be an edge bender but that was never likely to happen. Just not that body type. Now maybe you are right and he'd be better off bulking up but he's really good right now. He's just not GREAT like Josh Allen so shining despite a poor supporting cast isn't nearly as easy.

I know we have a lot of people on TSW that just follow the ball so if the QB isn't getting sacked then nothing was accomplished in their minds..........but Rousseau is a really good player.

Yeah but the Rams also went 25-26 from 2022-2024. They took their lumps on the salary cap and exercised lot's and lot's of draft picks to rebuild that roster. Two things Bills fans never want to do. They want to extend everyone. They always want to trade up. Beane has generally had his finger on the pulse of what Bills fans want and that's why he's gotten his balls tongue bathed on TSW and in the media for years. Until this WR sh!t FINALLY hit the fan. Now the fan base has turned on him.

I agree that the Elam and Coleman picks hurt.........but I don't think you really understand the Chiefs drafting record. Since 2020 the Chiefs have used first round picks on Clyde Edwards Helaire(bust) and Felix Anudike Uzomah(who has done very little in 3 seasons and is now on IR) and traded a #1 for a rental OT and lost him in FA(and replaced him with a dud). McDuffie was part of the return from Miami for Tyreek Hill..........a second first round pick that the Bills didn't have access to.

Why would simply missing the playoffs and years of 11-13 wins seasons change much internally? They've been so decimated by injury they have a built in excuse one way or another. It's easy to be frustrated but you only get so many Josh Allen prime seasons. While we don't see it as likely......if they can get in the playoffs and get healthy they still have a punchers chance in the most wide-open league in over a decade. They are going to end up finishing near the top of the NFL offensively and probably middle of the pack defensively when it's all said and done. The average SB team finishes around 7th or 8th in those categories so in aggregate they would be close.........and the Manning/Bob Sanders Colts won a SB against Chicago with the worst run defense in football before so their biggest weakness doesn't statistically exclude them either. I'm not optimistic but I'm not giving up or rooting against a playoff berth for want of a pick number 17-18 or something like that.

The Bills core is Allen, Oliver, Rousseau, Dawkins and Brown. The Chiefs comparable core is Mahomes, Jones, Kelce and Smith and McDuffie. Their edge has largely been that they still had superstars who were there before Mahomes arrived.........the Bills do not have superstars who preceded Allen. It's been harder for both teams to find those once they had the superstar QB putting them in SB contention every year. But as far as drafting in general their success since McBeane arrived has been pretty close.

He was plenty successful in Philly. The production he squeezed out of Nick Foles and March Sanchez at QB was insane in turning those Eagles into the best conditioned team the NFL has ever seen. That training set their "players coach" Pederson up to steal a SB from NE soon after Chip's departure(with Foles, no less). The team that should be interested are the Jets. Not so much for his offensive design but because they have done a roster cleansing of sorts and Aaron Glenn could have Kelly come in and implement his Oregon training tactics to help give them a physical edge in a division with Allen and Maye otherwise blocking them. They gotta' find their angle to make noise in the division because it's highly unlikely they find an Allen or Maye of their own. The only star left to appease is Garrett Wilson and he's an Ohio State guy so Kelly is likely to have his blessing.

Before McDuffie there was Tre White. Their career starts run pretty parallel. McDuffie finished tied in the NFL DPOY(22nd) voting with Christian Benford last season. McDuffie is now a slot CB..........which basically excuses him from any "best CB in the NFL" talk but he probably is the best slot CB in the NFL. Bills day 3 pick Taron Johnson once held that claim. You getting my drift about Bills CB draft pick success or are you still mad at Beane for not drafting McDuffie instead of Elam when McDuffie was already off of the board?

Congratulations on hearing about a DB the Eagles took last year. 😂 A simple review of the drafts from year to year will show you that the majority of superstars are early picks and superstars found on day 3 are very rare. In fact, St Brown and Crosby were recently selected the best players EVER selected with those picks in the common draft era(1967-2024). In mathematical terms.....Beane has about a 1.7% chance of finding a player like that in round 4. No GM lasts long enough to even be at a point where they can be expected for find a perennial All Pro at a premium position with their 4th round picks(fingers crossed on Deone Walker). Bills Terrence McGee and Khalil Shakir were also all time best picks in the common era at their draft slots. Imagine THAT. There are guys like Domato Peko and Rob Burnett in spots as the greatest players ever picked at that number in round 4. 58 drafts and those names are the best from those slots. I'm not absolving Beane of not drafting better earlier but he's absolutely excelled on day 3. YOU couldn't be more wrong.

No, they don't. Other than Mahomes the last player in that Will Anderson/Jalen Carter type impact area for the Chiefs was Chris Jones 10 years ago.........well before their SB run began and pre-dating the McBeane era. Their drafting largely mirrors that of Buffalo since the McBeane era began. They just had a head start with Kelce, Tyreek and Jones all in place while the Bills basically nuked their roster in 2017 and started from scratch.

You guys are being ridiculous pondering why the Bills don't unearth gems like "Will Anderson or Jalen Carter" in the draft. Those guys were the best defensive prospects in their respective drafts. Anderson went 3rd overall because of QB's and Carter was only available at 9th because of the fatal car accident he might have caused and refusing to work out. Despite those enormous red flags he went 9th. The Bills haven't had the ammo to trade up that high since the year they got Allen. I want Beane to do better but I don't expect him to find the 1 of 1 in drafts when he is drafting around 30 every year.

He made a mistake firing McDermott. That's CLEARLY the point.

Who are you even talking about? Shakir, Coleman and Shavers have not played elsewhere. Samuel has been constantly injured so rarely available in Buffalo for 2 years and clearly past his prime. Josh Palmer averaged 1.5 yards per route run in LA last year and is at like 1.75 yprr in Buffalo. He's been elevated, if anything. These are WR3-WR4 types even if not injured.