BADOLBILZ

I think you've steered us into the infamous Cam Newton malaphor that describes the Carolina Way that Beane can't seem to outgrow:

No I was just at a loss for words regarding you taking the hot button term "force feed" that was used to defend "everybody eats" and attempting to turn it against "everybody eats". We get it........you were convinced it was sustainable. But force feeding does not describe what's happening. Too few options are open to feed. You don't take 8 sacks because you are force feeding covered receivers. The only element of force feeding going on is when Allen is choosing the more risky options on the occasion when he actually has more than one.......and then when normally ball-safe guys like Cook and Shakir are coughing up the ball trying to do too much. All errors accumulated trying to make up for the fact that "everybody eats" has real limitations in a MATCHUP league like the NFL.

Maybe next year, for better or worse, when Mike McDaniel is the OC. I don't blame Brady to the degree that some here do. They've built a WR corps where the two most talented players are intellectually challenged at football and the rest are juiceless if not useless. But I think him being a dead scapegoat walking is one thing McDermott and Beane may still agree on.

Brandin Cooks hasn't been a difference maker in 3-4 years he was once one of the better EP choice-route runners in the game. I might be giving them too much credit but if they had any intention of mixing some Dorsey/Daboll passing concepts back in then they had to get guys in who could do that. Coleman obviously hasn't played in a system where he was being asked to read coverage and make wholesale adjustments like the Bills did in the Diggs days. He can't even be trusted to make the right adjustment later in his route now. Elijah Moore has Cooks-esque physical talent from 5 years ago but he is here because he is notorious for being in the wrong place. The Bills could roll the dice on him because he wasn't being asked to think much in this system.

Yeah and not being positioned to take a giant first step is largely why. When he came out there were 3 things that made him such a productive pass rusher at Miami: 1. A very long first stride that caused OT's to have to make a big leverage choice(see the first play in that clip) 2. His ability to never lose sight of the QB 3. His sure tackling due to the Wilt Chamberlin sized hands He has never really been able to use that long stride to cut OT's from the herd because he is needed to play in tighter alignments and move horizontally so much. In order to do that the Bills needed to be stouter inside and have an "over" rusher to complement his "under". When he's had his moments it's usually when they are getting that from the opposite side. I get that Bills fans want him to be an edge bender but that was never likely to happen. Just not that body type. Now maybe you are right and he'd be better off bulking up but he's really good right now. He's just not GREAT like Josh Allen so shining despite a poor supporting cast isn't nearly as easy.

I know we have a lot of people on TSW that just follow the ball so if the QB isn't getting sacked then nothing was accomplished in their minds..........but Rousseau is a really good player.

Yeah but the Rams also went 25-26 from 2022-2024. They took their lumps on the salary cap and exercised lot's and lot's of draft picks to rebuild that roster. Two things Bills fans never want to do. They want to extend everyone. They always want to trade up. Beane has generally had his finger on the pulse of what Bills fans want and that's why he's gotten his balls tongue bathed on TSW and in the media for years. Until this WR sh!t FINALLY hit the fan. Now the fan base has turned on him.

I agree that the Elam and Coleman picks hurt.........but I don't think you really understand the Chiefs drafting record. Since 2020 the Chiefs have used first round picks on Clyde Edwards Helaire(bust) and Felix Anudike Uzomah(who has done very little in 3 seasons and is now on IR) and traded a #1 for a rental OT and lost him in FA(and replaced him with a dud). McDuffie was part of the return from Miami for Tyreek Hill..........a second first round pick that the Bills didn't have access to.

Why would simply missing the playoffs and years of 11-13 wins seasons change much internally? They've been so decimated by injury they have a built in excuse one way or another. It's easy to be frustrated but you only get so many Josh Allen prime seasons. While we don't see it as likely......if they can get in the playoffs and get healthy they still have a punchers chance in the most wide-open league in over a decade. They are going to end up finishing near the top of the NFL offensively and probably middle of the pack defensively when it's all said and done. The average SB team finishes around 7th or 8th in those categories so in aggregate they would be close.........and the Manning/Bob Sanders Colts won a SB against Chicago with the worst run defense in football before so their biggest weakness doesn't statistically exclude them either. I'm not optimistic but I'm not giving up or rooting against a playoff berth for want of a pick number 17-18 or something like that.

The Bills core is Allen, Oliver, Rousseau, Dawkins and Brown. The Chiefs comparable core is Mahomes, Jones, Kelce and Smith and McDuffie. Their edge has largely been that they still had superstars who were there before Mahomes arrived.........the Bills do not have superstars who preceded Allen. It's been harder for both teams to find those once they had the superstar QB putting them in SB contention every year. But as far as drafting in general their success since McBeane arrived has been pretty close.

He was plenty successful in Philly. The production he squeezed out of Nick Foles and March Sanchez at QB was insane in turning those Eagles into the best conditioned team the NFL has ever seen. That training set their "players coach" Pederson up to steal a SB from NE soon after Chip's departure(with Foles, no less). The team that should be interested are the Jets. Not so much for his offensive design but because they have done a roster cleansing of sorts and Aaron Glenn could have Kelly come in and implement his Oregon training tactics to help give them a physical edge in a division with Allen and Maye otherwise blocking them. They gotta' find their angle to make noise in the division because it's highly unlikely they find an Allen or Maye of their own. The only star left to appease is Garrett Wilson and he's an Ohio State guy so Kelly is likely to have his blessing.

Before McDuffie there was Tre White. Their career starts run pretty parallel. McDuffie finished tied in the NFL DPOY(22nd) voting with Christian Benford last season. McDuffie is now a slot CB..........which basically excuses him from any "best CB in the NFL" talk but he probably is the best slot CB in the NFL. Bills day 3 pick Taron Johnson once held that claim. You getting my drift about Bills CB draft pick success or are you still mad at Beane for not drafting McDuffie instead of Elam when McDuffie was already off of the board?

Congratulations on hearing about a DB the Eagles took last year. 😂 A simple review of the drafts from year to year will show you that the majority of superstars are early picks and superstars found on day 3 are very rare. In fact, St Brown and Crosby were recently selected the best players EVER selected with those picks in the common draft era(1967-2024). In mathematical terms.....Beane has about a 1.7% chance of finding a player like that in round 4. No GM lasts long enough to even be at a point where they can be expected for find a perennial All Pro at a premium position with their 4th round picks(fingers crossed on Deone Walker). Bills Terrence McGee and Khalil Shakir were also all time best picks in the common era at their draft slots. Imagine THAT. There are guys like Domato Peko and Rob Burnett in spots as the greatest players ever picked at that number in round 4. 58 drafts and those names are the best from those slots. I'm not absolving Beane of not drafting better earlier but he's absolutely excelled on day 3. YOU couldn't be more wrong.

No, they don't. Other than Mahomes the last player in that Will Anderson/Jalen Carter type impact area for the Chiefs was Chris Jones 10 years ago.........well before their SB run began and pre-dating the McBeane era. Their drafting largely mirrors that of Buffalo since the McBeane era began. They just had a head start with Kelce, Tyreek and Jones all in place while the Bills basically nuked their roster in 2017 and started from scratch.

You guys are being ridiculous pondering why the Bills don't unearth gems like "Will Anderson or Jalen Carter" in the draft. Those guys were the best defensive prospects in their respective drafts. Anderson went 3rd overall because of QB's and Carter was only available at 9th because of the fatal car accident he might have caused and refusing to work out. Despite those enormous red flags he went 9th. The Bills haven't had the ammo to trade up that high since the year they got Allen. I want Beane to do better but I don't expect him to find the 1 of 1 in drafts when he is drafting around 30 every year.

He made a mistake firing McDermott. That's CLEARLY the point.

Who are you even talking about? Shakir, Coleman and Shavers have not played elsewhere. Samuel has been constantly injured so rarely available in Buffalo for 2 years and clearly past his prime. Josh Palmer averaged 1.5 yards per route run in LA last year and is at like 1.75 yprr in Buffalo. He's been elevated, if anything. These are WR3-WR4 types even if not injured.

I'd agree that it's 80-85% the talent too. But the rest is split between Brady and Allen. What % is debatable but Allen definitely shares fault. Allen just hasn't been patient and safe with the football this year. EVERY QB has their limits with regard to how little talent they can function at a high level with. In 2019 Tom Brady had an 88 QBR and averaged 6.6 ypa. That was the NE passing game talent bottoming out. THIS is the Bills passing game bottoming out. All that said, if Kincaid could have stayed healthy they might be the #1 seed. It's THAT close. Kincaid has an absurd 155 passer rating when targeted and almost 16 yards per catch. He was poised to bail out the "everybody eats" crowd. But Beane knew he was made of glass. They said as much at the end of season pressers last year. Beane is far and away the biggest culprit.

Yeah and he was replaced by Juan Castillo. THE Juan Castillo who is otherwise known as an OL coach. That was a big mistake. Basically the equivalent of Wade firing Bruce DeHaven in favor of pump-it-up Ronnie Jones. Disappointing to disastrous. Reid went from a winning team to 12-20 the next two years and then the future HoF'er got FIRED.

More like: 1. Talent at WR is a problem 2. LB is a problem.....both talent decline and injury 3. Injuries at DL are a problem 4. Kincaid getting injured over and over despite being handled with care is a problem 5. Injuries at CB are a problem 6. Bad safety play is a problem It's on there......but WAYYYYYY down the list is coaching is a problem........they aren't being out coached on the regular in these losses. They are losing individual matchups and fumbling the ball away. Houston didn't out-coach the Bills their defense just won almost every individual matchup. Expecting a coach to elevate the #32 pass WR group over the #1 CB group in the NFL is unrealistic. Allen was going to have to buy A LOT of time for that and like I said......this wasn't the opponent for that.

Coaching is an issue. But they are losing WAY more downs because of talent than coaching. For perspective, coaching is only an issue in the same regard that it is for the teams that have represented their conferences in the SB for the past few years. If you disagree, give examples from what you've watched of those teams this year. I mean the angst in KC in general and in Philly over their REAL offensive struggles is legit. These Bills came into the season with their thinnest and most rookie dependent roster since 2019. They haven't been able to overcome the lost seasons of Oliver, Hoecht, Hairston, Rapp, Kincaid and Palmer........the terrible seasons of Benford, Johnson, Milano and Bernard....... and the armless month of Bosa. It's been a sh!t show personnel-wise.

Yeah Solomon has been unplayable. I questioned his fit at draft time but am surprised that he is this bad. I was very bummed when the Bills traded that 4th rounder to Chicago with Austin Booker on the board and THEN picked Solomon in the 5th. Booker was basically the Bills prototype DE. Booker hasn't set the world afire yet but he is a good player with a very high ceiling. You could argue that they wouldn't have Deone Walker if they hadn't made that trade but if Beane doesn't inexplicably trade that Diggs second rounder just to move up in rounds 2 and 3 last spring he probably gets his man Walker later in round 3 anyway. Solomon has been a net negative. Hopefully some kind of light goes on for him......on the hoof he shouldn't be the second-worst graded edge in the NFL.........but his first two seasons he's been trash.

So what was Brady supposed to be able to change this season that he did not? They basically replaced the 6 man OL and Hawes has been a revelation in that role as the Bills lead the league in rushing and yardage. That was about the only adjustment he could afford to make. They entered the season LESS imposing at the boundary WR position without the threat of Cooper and the reality of Hollins. When players aren't making plays it's always cited as predictability............the problem is the talent. And with a revolving door at the WR/TE position every week people expect a bunch of new sh!t to get drawn up when Allen is indecisive enough. For some reason the takeaway from that Bucs game by some was THAT was the recipe........Allen was pressured ONE TIME the entire game and yet most everything he did well was off schedule. He doesn't trust this personnel. They are going to have to win off schedule. This Texans team was a BAD one to have to play off schedule against.

It's probably the first time the Texans OL has faced DT's lining up on the edge as well. I can't remember the last time the Bills couldn't even FIELD enough DE's to play a game. But that's been their reality lately. The Bills defensive front is not competitive with only Groot playing effectively in an 8-9 man rotation.