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YOU are missing the point......the extension hasn't even begun yet..........there isn't a "so far" yet to the extension. Were you demanding praise for Beane when he gave Diggs that $96M extension? 😂

Beane extended Cook with a year left on his deal........let's see how the actual extension part works out before we praise the extension. That would be the logical thing to do. Because he also extended Bernard for similar money and there is talk about benching him and the extension hasn't even kicked in yet. Benford got extended and he has fallen off drastically as well. The real story is if you extend a player and he isn't even playing well by the time the extension kicks in. Remember........Beane is the guy who extended Diggs and then traded him before THAT extension kicked in. I think Beane has a world of potential as a GM. He is literally the smartest guy in the room at OBD, IMO. But the best thing you can say about Beane since that strong 2022 draft is that he has kept himself busy. Otherwise there has been more bad than good, unfortunately. He needs to do better.

First of all........define "shambles". This 2025 Bills WR corps was objectively bottom 5 in the NFL before the season and they've even disappointed by that low expectation. It's possible that the only group that's worse are the Jets. If being 31st is "shambles".......then yes, their WR corps is in shambles. It sucks. Olave is currently 26th in ypg........he is certainly a WR1. Shaheed also has an outside shot at finishing top 32. These guys aren't Jefferson and or Chase but even one of them would raise the Bills receiving floor considerably. Shaheed being the more likely to be dealt.......would provide a deep threat component that should complement the short game of Shakir. I would argue that the 2021 Rams already repeated the 2012 Ravens. Those Rams were 8th in offense and 15th in defense. Like the Ravens they were viewed as a disappointment for most of the season......but they scraped out a division title at the end. Then they got hot in the playoffs.......caught the defending champ Bucs and Niners at the right time....escaping the NFC by the skin of their teeth.........and got Cincy in the SB instead of the Chiefs and stole a very closely contested SB win during the middle of the Chiefs dynasty. That Rams team was perceived as having a limited window to win a championship. They swung big adding OBJ and Von Miller in-season and those guys made MASSIVE contributions down the stretch and in the playoffs. OBJ was particularly impactful in that SB. These 2025 Bills are 6th in ppg defense and 7th in ppg offense. I wouldn't say that is elite on either side of the ball. But it is considerably higher than the rankings of those Rams or Ravens........and both higher than the average rank of teams that have won SB's since 2000. Every 5-8 years a team that didn't seem championship worthy manages to steal one. If the Bills don't upgrade this passing game that's probably the kind of odds they have, IMO. The puncher's chance. I think those odds increase if they improve the quality of passing game targets.

I'm not sure that's a proven formula either. It's just happened THAT way a few times in the last 50+ years. The 2012 Ravens were 10th in scoring offense and 12th in scoring defense had like a 150 point point differential deficit to the Patriots.......but they won the AFC and then the SB after going 10-6 in the regular season. I did an average last year of the ranks of SB winners in the past 25 years and it was like 7th offensively and 8th defensively. Non-great teams without any "elite" side of the ball can win SB's.......if circumstances fall in their favor or they just get hot like Flacco did...... too. The Bills have a punchers chance because of Josh, their running game and the potential of their defense to get pressure and create turnovers. So I don't buy the "they can't win" line of thinking.........but I think it's A LOT less likely to happen without improving the quality of their receiving corps. It would be a pretty big outlier because for the last 10 years the teams that win it usually have a second receiving option who ranks in the top 32 in receiving in the league. Basically, doubling down on receiving talent has been paying dividends for a pretty long time now.

The issue with Gabe was that once he got elevated to WR2 in 2022........throwing the ball to him became a net negative for the offense. The passer rating when he was targeted in 2022-2023 was a very poor 80 and passes intended for him accounted for a staggering 12 interceptions. He had the same issues with the Jags last year........he was simply putrid.......off page with his QB, interceptions, drops etc.. He just wasn't a guy you wanted as anything more than a distant WR3 and 4th or 5th overall receiving option behind a TE and pass catching RB. That's BEFORE he hurt his knee. And for the people wondering why Elijah Moore is a journeyman scrub he is sort of the smaller, faster version of Gabe........incredibly, he was the intended target of 8 INT's in 2024 and arguably the worst high use WR in the league. If on the field simultaneously Gabe and Elijah might even run into each other full speed for an all-time NFL highlight.

Who even says the offense has to be effective? That Broncos team that won the SB a decade ago didn't have an effective offense.

So when the Bills lead the NFL in rushing(by a lot) in 2015 and Tyrod averaged 8 yards per attempt........that was actually an "elite" offense too? Attaching an exciting adjective to describe the "offense" doesn't help it complete the passes necessary to succeed when the run game naturally/organically regresses in the second and third rounds of the playoffs. And the formula in the 3rd season of Joe Brady is not appreciably different than the prior two so it's certainly not a "secret".

Yeah they have basically been a run first team since Brady took over so not sure why the OP would think this is a surprise. The problem is that run defense basically comes down to effort and execution. In the playoffs those are easy for defense's to wratchet up. That's why they are getting significantly diminishing scoring returns in the divisional and AFCCG levels where they face really good teams. And it's essentially why one-dimensional run offense's like the early 1990's Chiefs.....with rare exception.....have not been able to survive the playoffs for the past 50 years. Unless you have one of those once-in-a-decade+ defense's there are absolutely going to be times when you HAVE to throw the ball. And since Brady took over the Bills offense has had the ball with a chance to ice the Chiefs late in playoff games both years and failed because of a lack of playmakers in the passing game.

It could still be about Simmons. The context was that Coleman was laughing at a Bills follower for bringing HIS name......perhaps because his agent has an actual $100M player whose name has been mentioned all fall as a deadline target. What's Keon going to net in a trade right now? A late pick swap? Not viable timing for a trade or a time for an agent to draw attention to himself. If Simmons gets dealt for a valuable pick because teams want him that's positive advertising for the agent. When a guy gets dumped to a team that's like "yeah, I'll try that for $1" that's not really good agent advertising.

Yeah and when the light came on for Adams it wasn't exactly 1998 Eric Moulds. Still took him another few years to go from a fringe 900-1,000 yard guy to elite. But 12 years into his career he's still really good.

I'd love to see Allen in a Shanahan offense but Allen doesn't like playing under center and the traditional play action game. I presumed when he came into the league that would be his path to success. If you can execute without having your eyes on the defense the entire time like Tom Brady or Brock Purdy you get the spoils of facing a consistently more vulnerable defense.

Coleman is having a MUCH better second season statistically than Adams did. That's how slow Adams career started. And that is with a pinpoint, HoF passer in Aaron Rodgers after having caught over 230 passes for 3,000+ yards and 38 TD's at Fresno State. As I said when they drafted Coleman.........he's got that physical profile but it won't be easy to get there.

Steve Smith says a lot of truly ridiculous ***** every time he is on camera......it's often reminiscent of listening to Art Wander back in the days.........but he is spot on about Keon just not playing the position well. The details and determination make all the difference for those WR's who can't run a 4.3.

I think Keon is laughing that people would think he is a trade target. Paul D is the agent for Jeffery Simmons..........who is an oft-mentioned trade deadline name.

I'm not sure he has "no say" in a trade. He has been playing for teams on his own terms for a while so I think it's possible that there have been discussions about potential mid-season trades at his last few stops. And he has the option not to report. And being traded it wouldn't be like the Anquan Boldin situation where he changed his mind after signing and accepting money from the Bills. They were well within reason in not just cutting him free(even if they probably misrepresented themselves as bringing him in to mentor Sammy). The juice of trying to hold Campbell's rights and prevent him from continuing his journeyman travels in the offseason wouldn't be worth much of a squeeze with the NFLPA, IMO. I suspect any deal for him would basically require him to sign off. That said though.......he is KILLING it on the field. He has been good against the run and the pass. I've seen him lining up in the old Joe Green "stunt 4-3" from the 1 tech and just cutting thru blockers. He might be a better pass rusher now than he was 5 years ago.

The flip side of your praise is that while Cook has elevated his game the other RB's on the roster have probably looked equally WORSE than last year. Might be the biggest drop-off from a RB1 to his reserves in the league right now. Everyone is on Ray Davis for looking so bad but I don't know if Ty Johnson is hurt but he's the real disappointment. Allen calling Ty Johnson the best 3rd down RB in the league last year actually rang true. Brady is the one who had a good week and deserves praise from his critics. All the game script predictors were saying not to run the ball against all those run stuffing DT's they have accumulated. That they had to attack the Panthers with the pass, especially at the LB level. Well Brady drew up a plan that attacked a vulnerability in their run game and made them look like the team that game up 3,000 yards rushing last year. The Panthers threw a ton of resources into fixing their run defense and he totally exposed them. The reality is that because Beane has done such a terrible job at the WR position the only thing the Bills CAN do with any consistency is run the ball right now. It was a huge mistake trying to exploit perceived opponent weakness by playing to their own weakness in the prior 2 games.

Yeah to me, one of the things most Bills fans seem to misunderstand about Shakir is he is NOT an instinctive, reliable route runner like Beasley was. If he were, Allen would be feeding him non-stop. He doesn't have complete faith in Shakir that way and you can't throw the ball over the middle to a small target if you don't have complete faith that you will be on the same page. When Diggs and Davis were outside in 2023 it wasn't exactly Air Coryell but defense's couldn't just focus on one area of the field and were often doubling Diggs and putting CB1 on Davis. That left some huge holes in the middle of the field for Shakir back in 2023. It created this misconception that he was one of those "always open" types. Defense's are squatting in those areas where he was thriving back then. So they are forced to throw a lot of really short passes to get the ball in his hands so they can get that high end RAC out of him.

That is certainly a possibility. And it would be easy to look at the dominant 2024 Eagles team and think there is no way this flawed Bills roster can win a SB. But each year is different. The 1989 49ers are in the conversation of greatest, most talented and dominant teams ever. The 1990 Giants......unfortunately for us......are on the other end of that spectrum. Not a very impressive roster and.....in the current vernacular....very "game script" dependent. McDermott himself ended up on the losing end in a SB versus a team with a washed up QB who threw more INT's than TD's that year. If you have a punch sometimes that has proven to be enough. And with, at least statistically, the best run game in the NFL and JA that's probably enough punch if things fall VERY favorably.

Then give it a thumbs down. Why call poor innocent me out like that? 😉 Maybe you don't understand the difference between a thumbs down and a disagree. There is a reason they are different. The down is a less civil and subsequently elevating version of disagreeing. And you don't think that even involves you in the discussion? You're wrong. Obviously. Common sense. It was an awful take on your part hence the thumbs down.

Yeah I can't be totally out on Coleman yet despite his struggles to make an impact this year. I watched Davante Adams struggle to adapt to NFL coverage for several years while guys like OBJ and Sammy came out hot. Adams has had the last laugh on everybody in that WR draft. Even, arguably, Mike Evans......who while great has never been the NFL WR1 overall that Adams was for a several year stretch. On the hoof, Coleman has very similar physical traits to Adams. He might even have greater body control. What he didn't have was nearly as much receiving experience as Adams had coming out of Fresno State. And we just don't know how Keon is going to mature and if he is intelligent enough or is going to work at his craft enough to elevate above his limitations. It's not LIKELY that Coleman becomes an NFL WR1 but I haven't seen anything to say it surely can't happen yet. But the biggest problem anyone should have had with the Coleman selection was that he really didn't fit the Bills timeline. He didn't. They needed to do more. But it's not the first time they've done something like this though. Josh Allen looked like a LONG term project. Tremaine Edmunds the same. But physically they were the most imposing prospects at their position available at that pick. I'd say Coleman was also that. Allen got good fast. Edmunds is probably just now reaching his potential. Hopefully Coleman gets their by year 4 and hopefully Beane stops banking on his breakout like he seems to have done.

When you respond negatively to a take you have involved yourself in a discussion whether you like it or not. If you really don't want to discuss it.......then you don't have to respond to being called out. Fact. If it's going to hurt your feelings to be called out then don't involve yourself to begin with. This should be common sense. I know more people grow up without fathers nowadays but c'mon. You shouldn't need a slap in the head to figure this dynamic out.

Yep Wrong Way Gabe is inching his way back to the lineup. Can't keep his 3 routes straight, clap catches the football because his hands are too hard to do otherwise and now he has a bum knee to boot. I will say that he does kinda' know how to find open space in a scramble drill which is apparently a trait that eludes most of the more able bodied WR's they have.

I don't think the Bills tell Shill anything. He gets to lick boots and if he doesn't like it they will give Maddy his job. Next to Jakobi, Shaheed would seem the most likely WR to be available though.

I don't think Efe Obada had a RAS but he would have been #1 out of 1830 and with the least change of direction ability of any of them. That dude was the ultimate stiff bodied big man. Worst case scenario Jackson is like that and he can't set the edge and becomes a journeyman like Efe.