Thurman#1

It's really not. But that's life.

No, wait, we've been told on this very board that he's only a slot guy. I expect Kumerow to far out outsnap him on the outside.

Myself, I doubt it. But certainly possible.

Like the first half of the season or so. That's how McDermott tends to handle rookies. Most likely it's how they'll handle Cook as well. By the way, apparently Singletary was also not a guy who needed to "get some work" in the preseason. 12 total carries in his rookie preseason. 10 the next year. And 4 this year. Moss had 8 carries in his rookie preaseason and 7 last year. Yup, I think you guys are onto something. This isn't just something they do. It's a new top-secret ploy for Cook.

Nope.

Four QBs (including Peterman) threw passes for the Bills in games in 2018: Allen, Peterman, Derek Anderson and Barkley. Three in 2017: Tyrod, Peterman and Joe Webb. Three in 2016: Tyrod, Manuel and Cardale Jones. That's about as far as I was interested enough to go.

Disagree. They paid two LBs big money when they were in Carolina with a DC who has now become our head coach. They have no problem with that kind of valuing of the position. IMO he's got it right, that Oliver, Knox and Edmunds will be the priorities. But I think they'd love to find a way to keep Poyer if possible. Not sure it will be.

That's interesting. OverTheCap and Spotrac have quite different details for Keenum's contract. Spotrac lists the Browns contract as his latest, with no money guaranteed, and OverTheCap says the Bills signed him to a new contract. "Following a trade to the Bills, Case Keenum agreed to a new contract worth $3.5 million according to ESPN's Field Yates." They list $2M as guaranteed. Wonder which is true. Both have his salary at $3.5M, but the guarantees are quite different.

He's not as horribleas some here have said. If he were, there wouldn't be a spot for him in the NFL, on a roster or a practice squad. And there obviously is, as he's building a pretty long career. He had a nice game for us against the Jets a few years ago and subbed in in 2019 and arguably out-performed Josh in that game, three INTS for Josh against one for Barkley. Against NE, was it? You don't want him starting. But you can say the same about every 3rd string QB, nearly all of the 2nd stringers and a bunch of the 1st stringers around the league. Keenum has clearly been better. But as a great locker room guy, you get the benefit of that by giving him a practice squad spot. I don't agree with the OP.

Nonsense. Levy as a coach was terrific. As for the OP, it's far far far too early to know about Dorsey, either way. I'm hopeful.

Least of my worries. After White is back particularly I expect them to be a real strength as usual.

You're right, the salary is guaranteed. But they could still decide that they value the roster spot more than the money they would save. In that case they would of course try to trade him before cutting him, but might not find a taker. If no trade was available, they still might decide to cut him, but would not save money by doing so, as you correctly pointed out.

Barnwell's smart as hell. Watches all the games. And the article you mentioned did mention Daboll but did not mention him as the real hero or anything similar. Not that anyone has to agree with him, but he's extremely smart.

It's all just guesses. Might indeed be four games or more. Might also easily be fewer.

Great stuff, that must have been a terrific feeling.

McKenzie and Crowder are slots ... both of whom can play outside. Crowder in particular has done so a bunch in the past. I personally expect Shakir to be the most frequent #3 outside guy late in the year, but early I think it'll be a mix-up of Crowder, McKenzie, Shakir and even Kumerow sometimes giving them a lot of different talent options.

"Could they fit ....?" is almost never the right question. They "could" fit nearly anyone, with consequences hurting them down the road, major consequences in the case of Golladay. The right question to ask is generally, "Should they fit ...?" In the case of Golladay I think the answer is hell no.

I don't see any more trades, really. Maybe if someone calls us for a guy not likely to make the roster. I think Ford would have made the final 53 with how he's played in camp this year. I don't see anyone else like that that I think they'll trade. If a great enough offer comes, who knows, but my guess is we're done. If forced to guess I'd say maybe OJ Howard but I don't really think it happens. Oh, yeah, I think Crowder is in their plans, both inside and outside.

You are linking two separate events. The only reason to do so is an absolutely desperate need to frame a positive as a negative. A few people on here seem to share your sad need to do so. The rest of us look on in pity. Few if any defend Beane's choice of Ford in the draft. It appears to have been a bad pick. It is also in the past, and as such unchangeable. A sunken cost, as Kirby put it. What Beane did today, in the current situation, was a damn good move. Yes, if you go out of your way to lasso something from the past and to look at them together, you're not looking at what happened today correctly. It would be just as reasonable to say that when you look at the move today in the context of Beane's also selecting Milano in the 5th, it proves that today's move shows Beane is one of the greatest of all time. That would also be unreasonably framing today's move, though that would be a poor attempt to frame positively rather than the negative way you are doing it. Roping the two together is simply a distortion of what happened today. It is a pathetic attempt to frame what happened today as a negative. It is not. It is damn good move. Which does not eliminate the fact that what happened three years ago in drafting him was a negative. Again, it was. If you can find people on here trying to say that drafting Ford was a good move, you'll be sensible to argue with them. But not many would say that. What happened today appears to be a damn good move. It's still possible we look back in a few years and say that he doesn't hold onto OLs long enough as the Ford and Teller moves show. But that appears to me and to most of us as unlikely. As of today, today's move looks pretty damn good to clear-eyed Bills fans. Clear. Just really dumb. The desperate need to yet again try to frame this by looking at two moves rather than one is poor thinking .

You say you understand it takes time. Thinking you can judge now shows you may understand intellectually but you haven't internalized this truth. And "showed nothing" is just nonsense, for both of those guys. They've showed, though certainly not enough yet. But it's early, most particularly for Basham. There is no 2nd round curse except in your mind. In a few years it might possibly become a thing. In a few years, who knows, maybe. Right now it makes no sense. Groot was better. You'd generally expect that for a first rounder, but because one guy is good early does absolutely nothing to show that another guy drafted lower and will be a bad pick. It could go either way.

If you don't think it's too early on Basham and Epenesa, you're kidding yourself. This early, you're guessing. Unless a guy has already been terrific or is off the team, it takes a minimum of three years to judge a guy. Yeah, plenty jump the gun, and those folks are wrong a much much higher percentage of the time than those who correctly understand that very often these things take time.

Well, yes, it's impossible to call someone a genius because of a minor move like that one. But the guy you were replying to when you made that statement wasn't doing that. You were (at least to him) throwing up a straw man. It's always fair to criticize picks, wrong or right, but you'll be criticized for some of those criticisms sometimes with very good reason. Messiah? No. Absolutely terrific GM overall? Um, yeah. The GM's main responsibility is to build a terrific roster. Beane has done that. Without question. It's not a mistake he generally falls somewhere in the top three or so on most GM lists these days. Hell, you can find lists where he's #1 these days. When was the last time that happened with a Bills GM? https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-gm-power-rankings-bills-brandon-beane-sean-mcdermott-rams-les-snead-top-the- https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-general-manager-rankings-2021/1hfg2twob1m7l1ij24pbqwnwrw https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/goal-line-stand/nfls-best-gms-2022 He was executive of the year, voted on by his peers, in 2020. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-awards-2020-chiefs-browns-bills/n3zug71hkf0h1oemcc1v9k6ij We're extremely fortunate to have him.

He drafts well in the first and it's too early to know how well he will do in the 2nd. When we know how Basham and Epenesa and eventually Cook turn out, we'll have a better sense of his record. In 2019 and 2018, far enough back you can have a pretty good sense of how someone will turn out, he only had one 2nd round pick. The results do not appear good, but one person is simply not a significant sample.

Not amazing? OK, fair enough, I suppose. A very nice move, though, IMO.

Yeah, he is. You don't think you're correct when you say that, but you are. Pretending that geniuses don't make mistakes is butt-stupid. They do. Everyone - absolutely everyone - does. Geniuses make few enough of them that they produce excellent outcomes. Beane has done precisely that.