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Why is a he a weak prospect at DE? Most thought he was going to go in the 2nd round, including many here and in the Bills own mock drafts here. He was never a "weak" prospect at DE, he was always a 2nd to 3rd rounder by most accounts. McD has notoriously brought rookies along slowly when there were capable guys ahead of them. When we moved on from Cole, they brought McNugget back and signed Crowder on top of drafting Shakir, a guy who was projected to possibly go as high as round 2 or 3 that slid to us in the 5th - which also prompted coaches and GM's to text Beane upset we got him. Then Crowder got hurt and McNugget kept proving what many of us new before the season even began, that he had no business starting in the NFL - still no Shakir despite McNugget being so bad they brought back the ghost of Cole Beasley. Even going into Shakir's 2nd season, Dorsey was very very slow to give Shakir any real reps or targets until literally right before he was fired. Then Brady took over and Shakir literally came on and went on to lead the team (with both Diggs and Davis still on it) in receiving despite half as many targets that Diggs got the rest of the season. We drafted Bernard in the 3rd round and many people here said he was also a bust because he didn't really play much his rookie season. Same with Cook, he was brought along slow and many thought he was a part time RB at best who really was just here to catch passes. Same with AJE, Spencer Brown, Matt Milano, Benford, etc all of which had "bust" or JAG labels early in their careers around here by TSW. So, no disrespect, not immediately starting or contributing for a rookie in this regime has never been an immediate sign of a wasted pick or a bust. Does not mean Landon is the next Shakir or Bernard either, just means that we have a crowded DL rotation right now, and for whatever reason he hasn't gotten opportunities yet.

A good post that will get glossed over because people are not willing to look at facts that don't support preexisting opinions or bias. The silliest part about all this is that for most people, they can't wrap their heads around possibility each team got the guy that fit what their team needed, was looking for, and fits their offense best.

No disrespect - but - not really sure how its not part of the conversation? A major concern about Worthy coming out, and still is now, was his small frame holding up to high volume work in the NFL. Pretty doubtful Keon misses time if he had run into Kelce week 1. "Availability is the best ability" is an entrenched mantra in the NFL for a reason. So to act like it has no value, especially during a stretch the Chiefs went 1-2 and are looking up in their division and well behind in the seeding race in the AFC right now seems unreasonable. Not to mention, this was just 1 game he has appeared in, and against the same team Keon had a big game and was a core reason why we won it. Not to mention, Worthy has way more target opportunities in KC right now with the lack of weapons there due to a lesser WR room, lesser OL, lesser RB room and their actual best WR suspended. So no disrespect, but feels like the pro Worthy crowd only seems to be interested in discussing things that provide confirmation bias for preexisting opinions. What is most interesting is how few people seem so shut down to the idea that BOTH teams got the guy that fits best with what they wanted, needed, and the offenses they run. KC wasn't looking for a WR1, they wanted a deep threat and didn't need size either with Kelce and Rice there amongst others. Bills were looking for more a physical and bigger target given we lacked size on our WR room when we drafted Keon and were in the beginning of a full retooling of the group.

How many yards does Worthy have this year outside the one Ravens game? So why are you not going apples to apples and comparing his 1 game to the 1 game Keon played against the same bad defense? Also: What OL does KC have and who are the RB's? Are they as good as James Cook and our OL? What other weapons does KC have compared to the Bills? All you are doing is cherry picking something to exaggerate it out to feed a bias. Worthy has very little target competition in KC right now and a weak running game behind a mediocre OL - meanwhile Buffalo has a dominant running game, has an offense where Josh Allen FREQUENTLY completes passes to 8-9 different targets and runs an offense that literally is rooted in taking the easy underneath stuff by design. The two situations are not remotely comparable. If Keon was a Chief, he would probably average 8+ targets a game. You cant catch the ball when you aren't targeted because your RB in on a tear and leading the NFL and your QB throws to everyone on the team, including even our 3rd string blocking specialist TE. There is a completely false pretense that because Keon (or insert any WR/TE name here on this team) isn't getting X number of catches per week, they must not be playing well or be open. But the reality is so many people here still don't understand at all what our offense is, how its being run, etc despite the fact Josh talks about verbatim after almost every game. Keon and Palmer have been open plenty of times when not getting the ball, but our offense is designed where we run a lot of routes for the intent on getting someone else open and if that guy isn't there Josh checks it down and takes the easy throw. And Josh has said he is going to keep doing that until they find a way to take that away. And the only time where we really needed to go away from that, thanks to our bad defense in week 1, we started airing it out and Keon went off - and against the same team and he (and Palmer for that matter) was a critical reason why we won that game. But Worthy, who was injured again (part of the concerns on him was his slight frame and lack of strength) comes in and has one good game against the same team Keon did and suddenly its all about Worthy again. Chiefs are looking up at the division and the 1 seed right now, and Worthy not being on the field the first 3 weeks while their actual best WR is suspended didn't help their cause. Meanwhile, Keon had a big game week 1 and helped set the tone for the season and Bills cease a commanding lead on the 1 seed. And Josh and Keon were playing pitch and catch out there yesterday, but we just don't call enough of that unfortunately and my bigger concern is how Brady is calling games in critical situations and how long he lets the offense sputter before letting the dogs out of their cages.

Remind me - what did Keon Coleman do against the Ravens?

Actually, that is exactly why they should be worried. $47m in cap space gone. Pro Bowl DT gone. 2 First Round picks gone. For a guy so easily neutralized and now they lack cap space, premium draft picks, and created a hole on the interior making it even harder for them to put people on the filed that can take advantage of the double teams Parsons sees.

Lmao - $47m per year(franchise QB money), 2 first round picks, and a pro bowl DT for a one dimensional pass rush specialist - just to go 0-1-1 against the Browns and Cowboys - who dropped a 40 piece despite not having their best offensive weapon in CeeDee Lamb. That kind of comp you better be adding wins to the win column to the degree a QB does. And not only is he not having that kind of impact, they aren’t even winning lol. I didn’t think he was worth anything close to what he got, and I still don’t. I said it before when the trade happened, that I didn’t think this moved the needle much for the Packers and that the Lions and Eagles are still better. And so far, nothings happened to change my mind.

We have Allen and Cook - we run Davis and a trick run to Shakir on 3rd and 4th. Make it make sense. For the record, I love that Shakir play, be a good down and goal call on like 2nd down. 4th Down, hell no. Too many variables

3rd and 4th down calls there ridiculous. I dont know what was worse, the play call on 4th down or how bad Van Demark missed his block.

That was just a phenomenal play by Bishop, that was a TD if he doesn’t sniff that play out.

I love that there are people here who keep trying to tell me and sell that Shakir is nothing special and just another guy. One even said no one on team is better than a WR4 lol

6 pages? People need to go outside more.

It was talked about during that season where the intent was to start him but after he took 5 sacks and got forced out of the game at end of 1st half for concussion evaluations. After the game, they felt it was dangerous to put him out there between how bad the OL was looking and Allen holding the ball too long resulting in too many hits and sacks. So they decided to try and hold off putting him out there right away, but NP was never intended to be the season long starter and was never named the season long starter, just that he woud start week 1 in more of an ongoing evaluation of the QB position. The QB room that year actually started with AJ as the "vet", Allen as the future, and NP as the guy really more competing to be a backup. The hope was Allen would be ready early, but if not, the guy to buy some time was supposed to be AJ, but not only did he stink, he got hurt, so that left Allen as the guy they planned to start until he got smashed for an entire half with 5 sacks and the concussion scare. So after NP had a solid 2nd half, they decided it was safer to start NP week 1 and give them more time with Allen to get him ready. And by halftime week 1, NP was so bad they just decided to give Allen another look that 2nd half and after watching the tape they decided Allen was ready enough.

Going into the 3rd preseason game, Allen was set to start week 1, not Peterman. It’s been publicly stated and confirmed many times. But the OL performance was so bad in that game with Allen showing poorly in handling it that they changed their minds and decided to start NP week 1 to give Allen a couple more weeks to get ready for the bad OL and also in hopes the OL would improve as they got more games played. This is also why Allen was put in so quickly after NP was atrocious for just one half of football. The intent was never for NP to start or be the bridge QB, that was an adapted plan after the OL and Allen’s inexperience showing in dealing with how bad the OL played in what was supposed to be the dress rehearsal game. It’s a common misconception that they planned on NP starting the season, which wasn’t the case. And that’s not speculation, it’s been stated by just about everyone from the player, coaches and FO. NP was here to be developed as a backup at that point, he wasn’t intended to be a season long bridge to Allen.

I moved to Roseville last December! We neighbors HA! I was trying to get to this game too after my wife said the same thing, but now we are targeting the Bucs game in November. Are there any good places to catch Bills games around here in the Roseville to Sac area?

Oh I am with you, I agree - Young is in my top 5 all time, I would take him over guys like Elway, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, etc. For me though, I still think Montana and Brady are duking it out at the top and Mahomes has been nipping at their heels. Allen though I really feel like will have his own case once his career is done and is IMHO might end up being the most talented QB I have ever seen play who could dominate in any era.

All this is subjective and all just our individual opinions, so all good...but here is my response to these points. He was drafted by what is widely regarded as the worst team in NFL history - literally those 2 seasons with the Bucs are 2 or the worst rosters ever assembled prior to Young getting there. A case can be made that no one was going to succeed on those teams, especially a rookie QB. To be fair, the team Young took over wasn't a "4 time SB winning roster" - yes the franchise won 4 SB's, but those were with mostly different rosters. Wasn't like the Niners had just won the previous 4 SB's and then Young took over if you know what I mean. And no disrespect, but name a top 10 QB all time that did not have some combo of great suporting cast and coaching. Not really fair to hold that against Young when it was true for every one of the all time great QB's. I am sure you would agree that its pretty hard to be a highly successful and all time great QB if you don't have supporting talent and good coaching. Montana, Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Elway, Manning, etc all had that for most or all of their careers. Ironically, Young did not have that to start his career, worst supporting cast and coaching probably in the history of the league those early years in Tampa. Just my 2 cents

Steve Young might be the most under appreciated and underrated HOF Great QB. Its nice to see him getting some love here, kudos. I am not sure I take him 2nd behind Allen, but he is in my top 5 for sure.

Ok what moron voted the Texans a first place vote? LMAO. What other 3 morons voted them 3rd and 4th? There are some other questionable votes like the Steelers getting a 2nd place vote, but the Texans votes are ridiculous. I wish we could know who cast those votes so we could ask them to justify their votes lol.

We want the Chiefs to lose so we are 3 games up on both teams. Especially since we still play the Chiefs, and having a 3 game lead going into that game is much better than a 2 game lead if they manage to pull off the upset and beat us.

Yeah I am also curious to what to think 3-4 weeks down the road and really interested to see how this unit starts to come together when we get our young guys more experience (like Bishop and our rookie class), our PED guys into the rotation, and of course our injured guys back. The 2 games I got my eye on are KC and the Bucs game as measuring sticks on our progress.

Thanks for the kind words We don't have a lot to worry about in the regular season. Our biggest threats coming in to the #1 seed were KC and Balt and we currently have a 2 game lead on KC who struggled to beat the lowly Giants and who we have beaten 3 or 4 straight times in the regular season - and now essentially a 3 game lead on Baltimore with us having the tie breaker. So with Hairston, I agree he will need some games to get up to speed, but barring any set backs, he should be more ready to contribute come playoff time when we need him more. On Groot - I honestly think people are a little too down on Groot right now. Since the bad start for 3 1/2 quarters week 1, our Defense is only giving up 15 PPG while missing Oliver, Milano, Hairston, and our PED guys. Thats 2 of our best players, our first round draft pick, and 2 key rotational players in our front 7 that will likely play relevant minutes once back from PED's. We are only 3 games in with a lot of new pieces or missing pieces on the defense. With Cole, he still has a lot to prove, but he also has had very little in game experience coming into the season. So it may take him some time to start to find his way and improve his play. At least he was better the last couple games (albeit against lower competition) than he was week 1 or even the preseason. Still long way to go though, but the hope is with more on field time and getting the guys back up front, that he can ascend more as the season goes on. And yeah, our front 7 needs to be more impactful to help out the secondary. And I do think there is reason to be optimistic, again missing 4 guys up front in Oliver, Milano, and the PED goons. And 2 of the guys playing a lot are rookies, so by default they should ascend through more experience more and Walker is already making some impressive plays out there too. Overall, I am in the optimistic camp - but more cautiously optimistic, I still want to see the week to week improvements and see them start to have dominant stretches like the Lions did in the 4th quarter against the Ravens.

Kyle Hamilton should be added to the too early to tell - but I’ll say it now, he will be. While he won’t be first ballot, don’t over look Dion Dawkins. When it comes to OL, their personal brand and profile helps, and being the anchor to maybe the best QB ever, getting notoriety as one of the top LT, media exposure, etc I think will eventually lead to a potential HOF spot.

I think you forget how good Wayne was. I would not personally call Hill a superior talent to Wayne, they are more just different types of WRs. I would probably take Wayne, a more complete WR, over Hill in their primes. And that’s not even a knock on Hill, that’s more a credit to Wayne than a slight to Hill.

How nice of Josh to provide a free test to see if you are fun at parties or not. If you got "triggered" by Josh - well we know the answer Karen.