Alphadawg7

Everything is always fair to question...declaring the kid a bust like some are over a name they heard called is wild. Not you, but others. Especially when we had him in for a visit and met with him multiple times. Picking him shouldn't have been a surprise.

I get where you are coming from...but think about that for a second...by default of that statement, that essentially means no DT he picks is the right DT then, because he doesn't get the benefit when it comes to DT...so by default its gonna be the wrong pick just by the nature of being a DT

Its amazing watching the freak out happen by people who don't know anything about him other than his weight they just read when he was picked. This guy can play. Everyone upset over "part-time" DT not realizing any and every DT we could have or would have drafted would have been on the same rotation and "part-time" snap count. That is how they use their DL. There is a lot of beef still left in this draft too for them to add some later for situational run clogging as well. PS: We aren't losing many games because we are being run on...we keep getting bounced by teams like KC we allow 35 PPG to while they lose the next week avg 17 PPG. And its Mahomes and the inability to cover and the inability to get to Mahomes. 2 things Eagles did to smash Chiefs. And 2 things we just tried to address with our first 2 picks.

OH SNAP ON THE CLOCK! LFG

Not a surprise...best QB in the draft IMHO.

Doesn't look like Sanders...

Would have preferred he went elsewhere than our division, I think he is gonna be a good back

This felt like an obvious pick here

Higgins is a nice fit for Houston...trade down worked out well for them

I might be in the minority, but watching him at UCLA I like Carson. He had been rising fast on draft boards after killing his workouts and interviews too.

I wouldn't be against it...he is a talent...especially if it's a day 3 pick. HOWEVER - From what I seen, it seems pretty doubtful this guy is a culture fit here. I mean it seems like the main reason he is available is because he has had effort and attitude problems. He has been in Tomlin's dog house several times. And he doesn't seem like a guy who would be happy/content in a system that isn't feeding him the ball like a lead WR. So I remain skeptical Bills would be interested personally...

Those grades and projections are pretty meaningless though. Once you get out of the early rounds, those things are wildly different from team to team and how picks flow. IMHO Thornton likely doesn't make it to our pick at 109 and I think likely goes 3rd round. Lot of teams showing interest, including Bills.

Being a dad makes this stuff hit different now...not gonna lie actually got choked up a little bit just reading this story out loud to my wife. Its like sad yet uplifting all at the same time.

Yup...thats a lot different than what is being insinuated here. Most important thing here is that when these meetings are happening, the teams evaluations of all players are not complete, their board isn't finalized, their scouting and interviewing isn't done. There is no way as he is ending their meeting they are certain he is their guy...and then you still have the actual draft and how the board falls factoring in. Everything leading up to the draft suggested DB first, and everything I saw from Beane during and after the draft suggests to me they got their guy, especially given most the top corners were still on the board, so they had their pick of who they wanted. Beane also said he had trade offers to go back, but they were not moving off him. They got their guy IMHO

Most projections say like 4th...but 6'5" and 4.3 speed is getting peoples attention. I doubt he makes it to the 4th. He has reportedly been crushing his interviews and workouts too. I think he is going to go earlier than projections had been saying.

I would legit consider him at 62...but ideally we get back in the 3rd and get him there, although I think he can come off anywhere from late 2nd to 4th. So if they want him, I wouldn't be mad if he was the guy at 62 which would tell me they came away from his interview and private workouts with the same opinion I have...which he is both an elite vertical prospect with untapped potential to be a future starter and more than just a deep threat. DO IT BEANE!

Can you find me a regime that has a perfect score and hits 100% of the time? Did you forget Benford was a 6th round pick the same year and developed into an immediate starter and then into a pretty good CB we just gave a nice 2nd contract too? This need to hang only the losses and never credit the wins with this regime is something I will never get.

Sadly I wanted Watkins That being said, I also loved Evans, he was my 2nd crush. Watkins edged him out for me as I just thought he was more complete and the best playmaker in the draft. Had no idea he was going to be so mentally soft and lack drive. Despite my slight edge towards Watkins, I did still love Evans...I kept telling everyone - Manziel is a 4th round pick without Mike Evans, he made Manziel. I would have been fine with Mack, but I wanted a WR in the worst way, I was so sick of inept offense.

Im a big "go get Thornton" guy...I haven't wanted a day 3 projected prospect like this since I was pounding the drum to take Shakir in his draft. That being said...we are in a weird spot to get him. 2nd is probably a bit early and 4th is probably too late. I think he comes off the board probably in the 3rd (although with his elite size and speed earlier wouldn't surprise me), but we don't have a 3rd. He isn't the kind of guy I would just wait on and pray he slips to 109 if they want him. They either are going to need to move from 109, back from 62, or just pull the trigger at 62. Now they met with Thornton multiple times and had him in for a private workout. So its going to come down to how they graded him...is he just a vertical threat (which we need), then 62 is going to be too early still. If they feel he has untapped potential to be a complete and starting WR with elite vertical traits, then 62 might be where you need to pull the trigger because he probably is coming off the board in the next 10-20 picks. Obviously we don't know what the Bills (or anyone else) think or see him as in the NFL right now, so he is someone who can go earlier than projected or even slip to the 4th or 5th if teams came out of their evaluations thinking he's just a one trick pony. If I had to guess right now, I still think the 3rd is probably where he goes, I think he shows potential to be more than a one trick pony personally. It also would not at all surprise me to see someone take a chance on a 6'5" WR with 4.3 speed and good hands who tracks the ball well at the back end of the 2nd either.

You left what I thought was the biggest...the absurd bounty Jags paid - on the level you should only do for a QB - to move up and get a WR on a team who is terrible in the trenches. They gave up 1st, 2nd, 4th and next years 1st. Forget WR/CB, they better hope Hunter can play LT & DT instead. Browns made out in that trade...big time. The only good move I have seen them make in a long time. Jags GM is the youngest in the league and out here running the team like its a Madden game franchise. They were not a WR away from contending...their OL and DL have serious issues and now they have no ammo to address it. Was Hunter worth taking at 2 overall...absolutely...was it a good move based on what they gave up...not in my opinion.

Some names that stick out to me, in no particular order: S - Nick Emmanwori S - Xavier Watts LB - Carson Schewesinger DT - TJ Sanders DT - Alfred Collins DT - Deone Walker EDGE - Landon Jackson EDGE - Jordan Burch EDGE - Donovan Ezeiruaku WR - Luther Burden WR - Jaylen Royals WR - Jayden Higgins Some would be only there likely in a trade up like Emmanwori for example. But these are guys that stand out for me on the board, and we have the ammo to be aggressive and move up from 56 too.

Dion is a national treasure

Last I saw they met with him at the combine, but I don't think they met with on a visit. But I hope he is in play at 56 or 62, that is a lot of BEEF to put next to Oliver.

Fair...but also no one bats 1.000, so cant hold that against them too much. And Elam's problem I think stems a lot more from scheme fit than anything. And I think they banked on his commitment and study obsession to be better that they could coach up his raw areas in zone and help correct his handy nature. Then Benford emerging I think also cut off opportunities and development. Hairston is not a scheme square peg they need to change his game to fit to what we want to do. So I think the chances of success here are much higher than taking a guy like Elam and trying to change his style to fit ours.

Yeah I agree, I say it every year, just listen to Beane and its pretty clear what is not likely and what is more likely. With Grant being mocked to us so much, so many people here talking about Grant, Harmon, etc...I was under the impression Bills were showing a lot of interest, but I had not checked the pre-draft visits. You pointed out that you didn't think they had them in and only met with them at the combine, so I went and looked, and that was correct. And one of the safest bets in the Beane era is that our early picks will have been one of our predraft visits. If I am not mistaken, I think maybe only one pick in the first couple rounds in the Beane era wasn't in for a pre-draft visit...you might be able to confirm that or correct that. Either way, it was pretty telling seeing who they brought in, and then Beane basically verbatim stated how he was weighing secondary higher than DL based on snap counts and overall contributions because of how we rotate our DL.