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I didn't say I was against signing him, but he isn't going to sign for anything close to $20M. Spotrac has Shakir at like $19.7M (although I think he signs on a home town discount for less). Higgins is the only high quality WR on the market. Next best is Cooper who is a class below Higgins. And I didn't say he was worth $30M, but that doesn't mean he won't still get closer to $30M than $20M. I mean Christian Kirk who was far less accomplished than Higgins got $20M per when he signed with the Jags and that was like 3 years ago. $25M is about what I think he is worth, but I think there is a reasonable chance he can get more, probably like $27M+ per

Higgins isn't signing for $20M or anything close to that. He is gonna get high 20's or maybe even 30M per.

Shakir is going to get extended, Josh and the staff absolutely love him, and I think it happens this offseason personally. Bernard if I had to guess probably gets extended, but he isn't as certain as I would have previously thought. Benford and Cook are questionable based on contract demands. We all know what is going on with Cook right now, I have a hard time believing Beane is going to cave to his antics and make him one of the highest paid RB's in the league. I mean he is a 2 down back who is a liability in pass protection to the point he comes off the field for a journeyman RB in Ty. And he isn't doing himself any favors IMHO choosing to handle it this way and so publicly out the gate. I mean Beane has shown to be fair to his guys and pay to keep guys that earn those next deals. For Cook to take this approach now, this early, is just off putting IMHO and I am not sure Beane is going to appreciate these antics either. If $10.2M would get it done, then yes, I would say he probably gets extended, but he seems to want a lot more than that. Benford I have a feeling he is going to get a top 5 CB contract...and the question is two fold - Is he worth that and will Beane pay that. I am not sure about either of those answers, but I do hope we can get a bit of a hometown discount and find a way to reasonably keep him.

Hahaha - Well played

What does that have to do with anything we are discussing? I mean you really want to discuss a WR that had 20 catches in 8 games and averaged 37 yards per game? And Cooper came here and fully bought into the everybody eats style of offense too. But hey...lets disregard the greatest offense in Bills history, 16th best in NFL history, Allens first MVP, the numerous offensive records this team set, the most points scored in the NFL this year...and go back to the old ways because you don't care about how many points we scored and only seem to care about "how" or "who" scores the points. That is what makes sense? I can assure you that no one person inside the Bills organization is entering this offseason thinking "we need to change the offense back to the old ways" and feed one alpha WR every game to the tune of 160 targets a year.

Yet the whole team bought into it, became the 16th greatest offense of all time, was historically great, set numerous offensive reocrds, Allen had his most effective season and won MVP, we exceeded all expectations going 13-3 with Allen, won our division and got the 2 seed and went further in the playoffs than we have in 5 years and missed a SB thanks to refs stealing the game in the 4th.

I agree that its no sure thing Seattle will move DK, but there is talk they could listen, so that is why I was just like throw an offer at them and see if they bite. But I totally agree with you about Slayton, IMHO I think he makes the most sense on the FA market, would prefer him over bringing Cooper back. This guy is better than I think a lot of people realize and would bring an element to this team it lacks. If we can get DK that would be great, but I think Slayton is the more realistic get and I would be good with him coming here and then still probably grabbing a guy in the draft.

And we saw Allen be turnover prone and the offense was not nearly as good as what it was this season which was historically great. I really don't think they are interested in going back to that feed the ball to one guy style of offense, nor should they. Doesn't mean you don't add a great talent, but I think that talent needs to buy in to what we do, not force us to change what we just did that led to Allens first MVP, the 16th best offense in NFL history, and numerous offensive team and individual records.

The answer to the Chiefs is being able to disrupt their passing game with your front 4. Bills have gotten dominated at the LOS against the Chiefs. Meanwhile, Bucs, Bengals, and Eagles (the last 3 teams, and only 3 teams, to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs the last 6 seasons) have dominated the Chiefs with their guys up front without having to bring all the extra pressure. We need an impact player on the edge and we need beef in the middle so guys like Oliver can be at their best and penetrate while someone next to him takes on double teams. This is a great offseason to address both...2 elite DE's could be available via trade at a time we can afford to go get one both in trade compensation and our cap...and the draft is a good draft to bolster our DL and get some size. With where this team is (which is a team that had a SB birth stolen by the refs when they flipped the game stealing 2 first downs from us on the same series of downs against KC), with almost all the most important players expected to return or returning, and with lots of extra draft capital...it will almost be failure to not get Crosby or Garret if they are indeed traded to someone. We absolutely need to be the highest bidder in one of those cases. And quite frankly, even if we trade for one of them, we should absolutely throw an additional trade at Sea and see if they bite on DK. This was already a SB ready team...adding those two would be huge and could make the difference between another 2 seed and the all important 1 seed now that they took the 2 seed bye away with the playoff expansion.

Make no mistake about it, its what the offense needs and the staff and FO know it and will get someone in that role whether its a trade, FA, or draft. I am 100% confident in that. Outside of that, dump the rest of our resources into the defense. Unless Cook gets traded, then we need to add drafting a RB in this class to the list, and its a good draft to do so.

Adams would be interesting, not sure how happy he would be in a "everybody eats" environment...but he can still play. I think the lure of a SB win with a team that was this close would keep him happy as long as we were winning. Still, I would prefer a younger solution as father time always wins and injury risk with older players is always something to worry about. But I don't hate the idea of Adams in Buffalo.

Definitely lesser Herbert = Phillip Rivers 2.0 Lawerence = Jeff George 2.0

I was previously on board with extending Cook...but now, this $15M per and his social media tactics of trying to do this in the public is turning me off. He is asking to be the highest paid back in the league when he is far from their level. He is a 2 down back because he is a liability in pass protection. Lets not forget, Allen kept calling Ty the best 3rd down back in the league too...a journey man RB being touted that much higher than a RB who wants $15M per year but can't unseat that journeyman on 3rd down who also isn't very big because Cook is a liability in pass pro and has a tendency to drop big passes. I think $30M over 3 years should be the range he falls in. Cook to me is not a guy who would do as well on another team, he isn't that Saquan, Mixon, Henry kind of RB that can succeed just about anywhere. He benefits greatly by Allen, this OL, and how the Bills run the ball. That makes him expendable. Everyone here says he is better than Davis, but Davis had a great game when he filled in for Cook when he was out. And while I agree, Cook is the better RB right now, look at what Davis and Ty did when given heavy work loads, they produced at a high level too. Cook is more a product of his environment than elite RB. And I hate how he is suddenly right out the gate trying to do this through social media and throwing out ridiculous contract demands while deleting the Bills. I would seriously consider trading him even though I had recently been saying I would like to extend him if the price was reasonable. Spend that money to help our god awful defense and at WR before you go overboard on spending on a 2 down RB.

Bills had the 16th most points per game of all time this year lol…most points per game of any team in the NFL over the last 5 seasons too. We just lost after scoring 29 against a team that had not broke 30 the entire season and a game later was down 34-0 late in the game of a blow out loss thanks to the Eagles defense. You want to worry about PPG than worry about our defense giving up 36 PPG in our 5 playoff losses the last 5 years. Worry about our defense being bottom of the league in first downs allowed and 3rd down conversions which takes away offensive possessions from the offense to score because our defense can’t get off the field and get the ball back. Yes we need to add a WR, but defense is absolutely a massive issue and by far the biggest reason we haven’t reached a SB and it’s not close. So we can’t keep putting a band aid on it and expect different results. We need to make some significant moves on defense, doesn’t mean don’t add a WR, it means we better also find a way to get better on defense or we are going to keep putting Josh in position to have to always be perfect, and that is a terrible place to put him in.

We had the 16th greatest offense in NFL History. Offense is not the problem you think it is. Some of you seem more concerned that we don’t score points the way you want to score points than if we score points. Because no one has scored more points than the Bills the last 5 seasons, we literally have the most points in the entire NFL.

There was a typo...its supposed to have said 4 of the last 6 in the first TWO rounds. Thanks for pointing that out, I will fix it. And as far as our first go, no its 3 of our last 5 because yes Diggs counts and so does Keon. In fact, its Diggs, Kincaid, and Keon...yes I get we traded back with Keon to make it "technically" our 2nd...but it was our first rounder that we used to get him, especially since Beane was taking him at 32 if it were not for Panthers 1 pick swap to where we get our same guy. I don't care about semantics like some others do, that was how we spent our first round pick...to get a WR regardless if it was at 32 or pick 33. And as I said above, we used 4 of the last 6 picks in the first 2 rounds (thats the last 3 drafts) on offense: Kincaid, Cook, Keon, O'Cyrus. Not to mention we already used this years 3rd on Cooper, also offense. The facts are that Beane and this team have prioritized offense for the past 3 seasons. The results: Highest scoring offense in the NFL over the past 5 seasons, including fielding the 16th highest scoring offense in NFL history this year and most in Bills history. And on the other side of the field? We have given up 35 points per game to the Chiefs in our playoff losses to them (4 of them), we fielded a defense that was bottom of the league in first downs allowed and 3rd conversions. We gave up 32 points to a team that didn't score 30 all season and that was down 34-0 in the second half of the Super Bowl a week later. It is unquestionable that defense has been the entire reason we have not reached a SB yet. KC has knocked us out 4 times, and 3 of those times they went on to lose the very next week where their average PPG is 17 compared to the 35 they average against us the week before.

Most those picks or signings were 3 to 7 years ago. You guys gotta stop living in the past. 3 of our last 5 first rounds picks were weapons for Allen. 4 of our last 6 picks in first two rounds were offense. One draft in the last 3 years was almost all offense. Yet there is a his myth we focus too much on addressing the D and the offense isn’t good enough. Meanwhile Bills have scored the most points in the NFL over the last 5 years. This years offense was the 16th best in NFL history and set numerous records as a team and as individuals. But on defense the Bills were almost dead last in both first downs allowed and 3rd down conversions. Bills have given up 35 points per game to the Chiefs in their 4 playoff losses to them. Yet the Chiefs are 1-3 in the next game after beating the Bills. And in those 3 losses, the Chiefs averaged just 17 points per game the very next week after averaging 35 against us. I get the concern based on the past, but not addressing the D is literally the worst thing the Bills could do this offseason. Our defense is the sole reason we haven’t been to the SB and it’s indisputable.

It’s like when we drafted Kincaid, I know for a fact from someone within the Chargers that Buffalo called to try and trade up with them. Chargers declined and had no interest in trading back as they were set in their guy. And it’s believed to have been to go get Addison. Just because one team wants to move up doesn’t mean the other team wants to move down. It’s like people around here have no concept of that when they play the “what if” or hindsight “should have” games.

I had BTJ and Ladd as the clear next best WR's after the big 3 of MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze. I loved Ladd and was actually terrified he was going to land in KC, and quite frankly was both relieved and surprised when they took Worthy instead. But as much as I loved Ladd, he felt redundant here after signing Samuel and having Shakir emerging. Bills were needing a guy on the outside and also needing some size and toughness in our WR room. So I never felt Ladd was the fit they were looking for and didn't expect us to draft him. I did however believe we would have traded up for BTJ if he reached 20 or lower and I was actually expecting a trade announcement from about pick 18 on even. When he got as close as he did and we didn't make a trade up to get him, I was a bit surprised as I thought he would be the only guy we would go up for realistically. I don't at all fault us for passing on Ladd, but I do think it was a mistake to not go up and get BTJ. Who knows, maybe Beane tried but was rebuffed, but at least nothing came out about us going up and the way Beane spoke post draft he just talked about trading back and made no mention of trying to make a small move up for anyone.

Browns will never take players back or contracts back, especially a high priced RB. They are in tank for 2 years mode to get out of cap disaster, worst in history, thanks to Watson's deal. They are going to stock pile draft capital that can return cheap contracts and be foundations of the future after the franchise destroying Watson impact is gone.

Not a chance Cook and his agent try for $15M...at least seriously enough to hold out. No one on planet Earth can possibly believe he would or should be paid that. BUT...it does make me concerned he is gonna want a bigger contract than we should invest in a RB. Now if we don't have any big contracts at WR, paying a RB higher money isn't much of an issue...until the time comes you need to pay a WR. For example, if we draft a rookie this year as our outside WR solution, he will be on a rookie deal, Keon is on a rookie deal, Shakir is on a rookie deal (although might get an extension this offseason), and Hollins is affordable. But if we try and sign Higgins, trade for DK, or find some other vet trade where there is more money at WR, then the RB contract is a problem. For me...I don't want to lock us out of WR money, so I would only extend cook if it was less than $10M personally. I like him, I do hope he stays, but the contract has to make sense. Davis is a promising RB himself, and this draft is loaded with enough RB talent to find a 1-2 punch to pair with Davis. And when you have this OL and Josh Allen at QB, you don't need a Saquan level RB to succeed here. In fact, I am quite skeptical Cook would live up to his deal on a lot of other teams if he got a deal north of $10M. Go spend the bigger money on Crosby or Garret.

This was incredible. As I keep saying, Allen is a bigger MVP off the field than he is on it.

Was it McD or Josh that threw the pass on the final drive that was batted down at the LOS to what was an open Samuel? Or that shifted the protection to the wrong side at the LOS on 4th down? Or that didn’t see Shakir on that 4th down? Or that couldn’t get a clean throw to a wide open Kincaid for a huge gain because he shifted the protection to the wrong side? I love Josh as much (or more) than anyone. But facts are facts. Allen had opportunities and thanks to some good defensive plays and smart defensive play calling, did not make the plays that were there to be made. And it wasn’t because of personnel, guys were open and even wide open. And this is the problem…our defense being the worst in NFL history in these playoff losses puts Allen to have to be perfect. That is a terrible position to put your QB in and it’s why the defense is what is failing Allen and this team the most.

How about we stick to facts than incorrect generalizations. On the final series of downs, Josh had his pass batted at LOS to a wide open Samuel, had two wide open options in Shakir and Kincaid in the 4th down but Allen himself shifted protection to the wrong side putting himself under duress and having to heave a desperate throw instead of making an easy pass to either Shakir for a certain first or a huge gain with a clean pass to wide open Kincaid. It is inaccurate to blame the WR group for not coming through on the final drive.