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Bahahahaha that legit made me laugh out loud. Kudos, you win the internet today sir.

I agree...but I would amend it to say, "Not all stats tell the whole story, but people lie." Stats don't always lie, but can often mislead if full context is not known or understood. And people will take cherry picked stats without the context to form a false narrative that supports their viewpoint.

Who had "13 page thread missing being a loser" on your 2022 Bingo card?

Lol, you do realize PFF doesn't even have his stats added in from the second game right? It shows him with 10 tackles, he had 10 tackles in just the Rams game. So yeah, your list is wrong. Not to mention, its not really a 1-32 ranking, its some ranking (again off incomplete data) and then some smaller group rankings with tiers where they list the first few only in that alleged tier. But again, all off incorrect data. Poster asked you to list 35 guys better than him...you couldn't, found an inaccurate data list, didn't check it...then posted it. If you are going to claim X number are better than him, then you better be able cite every single person YOU are ranking ahead of him. Otherwise you're just BS'ing a bunch of nonsense.

LMAO...so starting one thread...literally one thread...pointing out the improved play by one of our main players is now somehow a crusade? The same thread where I literally said repeatedly its just 2 games, and he still has a lot to prove this season in showing consistency... Meanwhile, you are running around in multiple threads now taking exception to the fact someone acknowledge the improved play of someone you dislike. So maybe check your own agenda before you start throwing around the crusade accusations. I mean heaven forbid we discuss some positive things after 2 big wins on the message board of our favorite team. What was I thinking not just starting another bashing thread instead? Blasphemy and shame on me...

Well considering Bills are not going to be playing from behind often, and there will be more games where Josh likely leaves early with big leagues, I don't think Josh will lead the league in passing yards. So that's good news for us then I think the correlation is that guys who throw for that many yards are often not on the best overall teams and find themselves often throwing a lot playing from behind or masking poor defense. Look at Brees, he threw for 5000+ yards all those times and a lot of times they were a fringe playoff team or not even in the playoffs.

Here is what is funny about all of those... Tua - Only has that many yards because he threw 2 pic in the first half and was down 21 points and had to throw practically every play and got a couple long broken coverage freebies. Wentz - Same scenario, was down and had to keep throwing non stop Flacco - Same scenario, was down big and had to throw constantly and got over 100 yards extra because Nick Chubb didnt take a knee. Herbert - Legit passing yards, but took an extra quarter to get to one yard less than Josh Allen with less TD's. Allen got all his yards dominating teams, not playing from behind, and did it 7 quarters instead of 8. Plus Allen has even more rushing yards to go with that, and did this while missing one of his top weapons one of those games (so did Hebert too). If I was to make a top 5 list of people in MVP consideration after week 2, its Allen out in front, followed by Mahomes, Hebert, Lamar, and Diggs as the top 5 guys.

Not gonna lie, I legit forgot that was his real name. When I saw posters type that Van Roten is in the game, I literally thought they were mocking someone with a name that sounded similar. Then saw his jersey as he lined up at center, and was like, oh yeah, forgot that is his actual name

I don’t disagree with Oliver being higher priority at the moment and closer to getting that deal. Like I said, Oliver started turning the corner last year of improved play. But…he is not a lock for an extension based on what the expectation of what his price tag will be. He still will need to keep playing well and impacting the game this season if they are going to hang him a big bag this off-season. And I said I do expect that to happen, but he doesn’t have enough time established at that level to play to just default they will pay him big money. And another factor to not over look is how well Phillips and the other DTs are playing. So I think maybe you misunderstood or misread my point. Was never doubting Oliver, I fully believe he will keep this up. But if you think he has already 100% earned that contract regardless of how he plays this year, then I think that is jumping the gun. If he has meh season, then he will likely enter the last year of his deal just like Edmunds without an extension yet and see what he does the year after. But again, I have full confidence Oliver will have a great season personally and fully expect to extend Oliver this offseason.

I was hyping one drive, where he made three straight plays to force a 3 and out, I was barely in the shout box. And why does a player in his final year of his contract (who is in line for a significant deal) on a team with multiple personnel decisions looming have a lot to prove? Do you really not know the answer to that question? We don’t exactly have a ton of cap space, every contract we sign will have extra scrutiny from this point on. Oliver has a lot to prove too. Oliver isn’t a slam dunk give him the bag on his next contract either. We don’t have the cap space to just automatically re-up every player based on what their market value will be. And while Edmunds has been valuable here, had some success, made pro bowls, been the captain of the defense…he still had some areas he needed to improve on before we could even consider resigning him based on what the expected market range for him will be. Everyone knows that, whether they are positive or negative on him. No one is delusional on him and thinks he had nothing to prove. Oliver is in the same boat. The only difference with Oliver is he started showing improvement in areas he needed to improve on last year. But he still hasn’t for sure locked down his next contract here and his continued improvement will need to be seen this year as well. And his first game against Rams sure looked like he is headed that way. But again, he is going to have to have a good season if they are going to pay him what the market will likely be for him. And I think Oliver will do just that, but it still has to happen. Again…I find it interesting people felt the need to take exception to a thread giving praise to a player you deserved it for improving his play noticeably to start the season. Especially one who plays a significant role for this team. Oh, and as far as your 5 years comment…he broke out a long time ago, his detractors refuse to admit he isn’t as bad as they exaggerate him to be. Edmunds should have had several threads last year for example praising his play in a game, but instead his detractors posted more negative bias threads to continue their whipping boy agenda. So, this isn’t a player finally showing promise, he’s a multiple pro bowl player who is 5th in the NFL in tackles since entering the league who has been the captain of one of the top ranked defenses. Yes he had some areas of weakness he still needed to improve, but he was not minutely close to as bad as people portray here.

No offense, but what message board have you been on? The only endless threads on here have been the same posters starting practically weekly bashing threads, over exaggerating the negativity, and doing it even on the backs of games he’s played well. And did you even read my posts? Literally said repeatedly it’s just 2 games, he has a lot to prove over the season. No one is crowning him, but heaven forbid we acknowledge improved play of an important player on our favorite team that’s off to a hot start on a major Super Bowl run. I mean what was I thinking? It’s pretty mind blowing when posters here take exception with seeing someone improve, impact the team, and receive praise for that.

I can tell you without looking it up, there have been a substantial amount of successful onside kick recoveries that also result in a score compared to the number of times a team has ever fumbled a kneel down snap that resulted in a turnover and a change in the outcome of a game (which I am not even sure has ever happened in the history of the NFL). There is no reason to do the stat analysis on this one.

For clarification...If I am not mistaken, they needed a first down to kneel all the clock time off and couldn't just kneel down. Otherwise they wouldn't have even handed the ball off at all. BUT...he got that first down and should have just went down there, but instead got the next 2 yards for the TD foolishly.

It tells you that the criticism on him previously has been over the top, including starting threads to thrash after he and the defense had good games last year (which happened a lot). Someone had to break the cycle of people being negative for the sake of being negative. What if I flip that question around on you...What does it tell you that you have to come in to be negative despite seeing vast improvement in his play? Just sayin...

DITTO! Devin yards before contact rate is substantially better than Moss, and Devins yards after contact is better too. This false narrative that Moss is a better short yardage back is factually untrue, and like you, I cringe everytime I see him come in instead of Devin. Devin has better vision, runs with a low center of gravity and powerful legs. He finds creases and hits them fast. Moss just doesn't hit the hole fast enough and doesn't make anyone miss either. He gets his yards based on whether the OL wins up front giving him a wide open lane, or the play goes nowhere. Devin on the other hand can make people miss and find creases and running lanes when needed. So I am 100% with you on this. And honestly, I really like Gilliam, he is a tough player out there and valuable asset to the team beyond the box score. I think he is a better option over Moss on the down and shorts too. Not to mention, Devin or Allen.

Respect to every poster who came in here and acknowledged that they haven't been his biggest supporter previously, but that he has played well and deserving of praise for this season so far. That is all this thread was ever about...being objective and acknowledging he (so far) has upped his game this year despite what ever previous skepticism anyone may have had coming into the season on him as a player. Nothing he has done, or will do, changes what his previous 4 seasons were, so this thread has nothing to do with what anyones previous positive or negative opinion was. And the story isn't done, 2 games don't earn contracts unless your name is Rob Johnson. He has a lot to prove the rest of the season still, but just felt his play has elevated to the point it needed to be acknowledged.

You realize that Moss got all his yards on one late carry right? And that outside that carry he was averaging 2 yards per carry on the season, which includes last week where he led all RB's in total touches right? Not to mention just 3.5 yards per catch and a lost fumble too. Bottom line is...Moss shouldn't be on the field over Devin when Devin isn't even tired from lack of a workload. There is no logical reason for Devin to only have 6 attempts while also giving Moss 3. Devin should have taken all 9 of those. We can spell Devin with Cook and Gilliam if need be, we don't need 5 active RB's per week to handle this minimal rush load. RB's need rhythm, and its already hard to get them that when we are such a passing juggernaught. So why compound that further to divide up 9 carries between two RB's?

I don't care anymore for what, but please trade Moss. It is not his fault, I don't have a lot against him other than he is NOT Devin. The staff insists on taking Devin off the field despite being better, more effective, and barely getting any kind of a workload to put ineffective Moss out there. Just trade him. Get anything back, I don't care. Stop holding the offensive run game back by getting him way too many snaps compared to Devin.

I see this is where all the Edmunds haters have gathered since they can't complain about his actual on field play this season lol. The arguments I am reading here by them wreak of such desperation that it's getting almost comical. Edmunds is off to a great start to the season...my suggestion is just make peace with that and spend the rest of the week relaxed and excited for the next game. You guys remind me of a relapsing drug addict who just needs their fix. You know it's wrong, but no amount of logic matters here...you just need your fix.

I still laugh at all the stupid threads during both the regular season and offseason of the past 2 years of people crapping on these 2 and even wanting them fired. And make no mistake about it, those threads, posts, and comments were as stupid then as they seem now. He ain't the only one.

Good post, but I will refute one thing here...there has been no point in his tenure that McD was ever conservative. It was a myth and narrative forced upon him over the fact his background was defensive. He got a bad rap when he first got here and we had zero playmakers to turn to. But since the day he got here, he has been willing to take chances and been aggressive every season. There have been a few instances where he made the absolutely correct football decision that people turned into a conservative narrative, even when his decision proved correct. But those few instances don't make him conservative, sometimes you have to make a tough call in a specific situation. Doesn't erase all the other times he was aggressive. And since the day Josh got here, he has turned him loose and let him just play his game. And he started trusting Allen and his ability and drive to make a play all the way back in his rookie season where they really started turning Josh loose when he returned from injury. I can honestly say that I have never sat back and watched a single game McD has coached and came away feeling like this guy is conservative.

Honeslty, its just bad play calling. Josh Allen has like a 95% career success rate on QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 or 2 to go. Yet, we rarely run it now, and against Titans, Daboll got cute with the sneak with game on the line and had Josh moving in and out of shotgun making it harder to get his feet set. And if you are not going to sneak it with Allen, at the very least let him drop back and roll out where he can make the play with his arm or make the play with his legs if the pass isn't there. Its also nearly unstoppable. But too often last year, and Monday night we called weird low percentage plays trying to hard to be too cute or catch them off guard. If you have been smacking them in the mouth all game, go out there and smack them in the mouth again, don't get fancy and cute in a gritty a moment like that. Sometimes these coordinators out think themselves and over complicate the situation. Know that your QB is a Sasquatch who can run and throw as good as anyone in the NFL, and use those tools and our weapons around him at their best. ALSO...give the ball to DEVIN more in these spots too and let him run a more traditional run there. He hits the hole fast and finds the smallest creases. He is so much faster to the hole with better vision than Moss, and Devin almost never loses yards and almost always finishes going forward. So unless your OL gets blown up, he has a good chance to find that crease to get that yard.

Great news on Dane, his health is the most important thing. But I see people insisting he will still be out this week, and I am not ready to make that call. If he has any lingering injury, absolutely he will miss this game. But sometimes people go to the hospital more as a precaution than a need. And last night, even after the ambulance took him off the field, the ambulance remained at the stadium a little while. That tells me they realized the worst case scenarios had been avoided even while he was there still in the stadium. Otherwise, that Ambulance would have flew out of that building to get him to immediate care. I've seen injuries look horrific and then miraculously, no major damage was actually endured even though it looked like it was unavoidable. I still think it's very possible he misses this week, but I am just saying it's also not a foregone conclusion yet either until we see really how he is doing throughout the week. But regardless, they will do what is best for Dane, his health, as with any player, is bigger than the one game.

MOSS! We need our BEST RB on the field more, and it's NOT Moss. Devin is better in every aspect of the game, and Cook needs more reps out of the backfield as a runner and receiver. Devin should be touching the ball in the run game at least 10-12 times before we start thinking about other guys getting carries.