HardyBoy

Thanks To me it sounded like they sent him to a sports psychologist when he said on the post game show that the goal is to always make sure the possession ends with a kick. On the surface it sounds like coach speak football cliche, but really it's a goal setting thing and reframing that seems really advanced. It's not don't throw interceptions and if you do you failed...it's even if you punt you've succeeded. That reframing feels different coming from Allen, after he hasn't been talking like that really ever (he has a lot of negative self talk). What makes Allen so special is his ability to manipulate defenses. I don't think it's pass up the long ball, but on Dorsey to set up plays where the long ball threat sets up the short stuff. Again, it's refraiming. He loves tricking people and winning by messing with people's heads. Mix in plays where they let Allen trick defenses by making them think he's going deep, and then hit the checkdown. Move the safeties and the linebackers deep and then hit Cook, Hines or Singletary and let them break off a 20 yard YAC. If the defense blows the coverage, heck ya chuck it, but they need to give him plays where he can use his brain to trick people and get chunks of yards without having to hold it for five seconds. I wouldn't be shocked if they had Allen and Dorsey sit with a sports psychologist and figure out what Allen needed from a play calling perspective to get 90% of what was looking for when going hero ball from a behavioral perspective, while decreasing the risk of negative plays, but most importantly the hits he was exposing himself to.

The best example there is, I don't think it's close is Andrew Luck. Philip Rivers is maybe a really good alternate example in terms of taking tons of hits, getting hurt, but never really getting injured. With Luck a ton of it was the isolation of rehabbing injuries. You're right Newton took a lot of cheap shots.

I mean sure, Chad Pennington was a viable qb after he hurt his shoulder because he had the skills Allen has in terms of anticipation and pre snap reads, but was a shadow of himself before his shoulder injury. Peyton Manning with the Broncos, he lost his arm strength because of nerve damage, but was able to remain effective for a time. Both of those qbs were clinically accurate though and more relevantly their injuries did not impact their accuracy, just arm strength. It's less the leg injuries with Allen that worry me, unless it's real bad it would likely "only" derail a season. Shoulder injuries though, those are career killers. Newton got hit a ton out of the pocket, but a ton in the pocket extending plays. Ben Roethlisberger took a ton of hits extending plays. Allen needs to take the check down, stop extending random plays in random early quarters of random regular season games. He needs to let his teammates be involved.

No, he is trying to force things to happen instead of being chill and letting them happen naturally. Take the check down instead of trying for the deep play when it's not there. Pinning a team inside their 10 leads to you scoring next like 80%+ of the time. Let the other people on your team help you. They have good amd dangerous players if given the ball in space, let them do stuff. I don't buy the lack of YAC is because of accuracy. I think it's cause he's not taking easy throws and instead is fitting balls into windows that are tiny and defenders are swarming right away. It's amazing and he shouldn't stop doing that, but a 5 yard check down with 15 yards YAC is way less risk and the same outcome as a 20 yard laser between 3 defenders with no YAC. Situational awareness and playing as a point guard to ensure all players are engaged. Then in the fourth quarter, if needed go wild. Look at how Chris Paul plays point guard in the NBA.

I think people hear meniscus and immediately feel much better. First there are still a bunch of bench marks to hit before he can even think of getting back on the field, and those aren't necessarily linear. Also, if they do need to trim away a part of his meniscus, that doesn't grow back. The meniscus is the padding between the top of the knee and the bottom. That goes away you have bone on bone... it's what people get micro fracture surgery for in an attempt to avoid knee replacements. You don't need to be a doctor to know this stuff or to share facts that can be found on webmd, granted I would love to hear someone with more understanding than me share the potential issues of the injury. Stop minimizing a potentially serious injury. Also, really wild how people are so into other people risking life long debilitating pain so they can say their team finally won a sports ball trophy. I know I'm a hypocrite because I'm watching, and it's going to get to a point where I stop (probably after they win that damn sports ball trophy that I somehow wrapped way too much of my identity around). He's a person though, doesn't matter at all how much he makes. Would you let your kid rush back from a meniscus injury?

I know, that's even more crazy!

Gotcha and I wasn’t saying you were crazy for saying it. He would probably lose his State Farm endorsement if he started growing stuff.

Kinda wild you'd lose a national sponsorship for growing a plant.

I mean I do think not having the ability to truly chill out during the bye week had some impact. It's not like he was sitting in a beach relaxing, he was arguably doing something that took more mental energy than preparing during the week. Not because it's harder (nfl qb is the most mentally intensive position in sports), but because it was something new to him. Have to imagine shooting a commercial, meeting all the new people, doing take after take, etc left him more tired/mentally drained at the end of the day than a random Wednesday preparing for a Sunday game. No, I don't think it is causing him to throw interceptions. Yes, I think the overall mental stress, that he didn't decompress from over the bye week could be leading to him losing his ability to control his impulses and is leading him to try and take on three defenders to gain 5 more yards after he's already gained 30 (talking about the run against the lions in the first half).

He's gone downhill a lot, or I know better now. He's definitely better then the dolphins radio guys (at least the ones through 2019). They are the worst I've ever heard.

I'm grasping at straws by pointing out a specific example of what can happen if someone comes back from an acl injury too early?! Are you serious?

Oh no! I messed up the order of the posts! I meant to post the other guys post first and then use yours to prove my point! I was not just agreeing with you, I was saying you were saying it better than I could!

^ Literally the post above your's said it perfectly Because at one point the guy was only coming back from his first acl tear and looks like he screwed up the rehab sadly. If the muscles are imbalanced strength wise or don't have sufficient endurance, including the little muscles, then that leads to secondary injuries. Basically the oppisite side muscle can't support the amount force being generated (usually the quad is stronger than the hamstring for example) and the force is then transfered to the ligaments and tendons and you get an Achilles tear or hamstring tears. Look at rates of knee injuries in girls high school sports. Dwarfs those of boys. Has a bit to do with lower center of gravity I believe, but really it's because of muscle imbalance and the muscles not being as strong. You don't rush back from knee injuries, especially where there was a prolonged lack of physical activity not because of the ligament, but because of the muscles around it.

Sarcasm? Otherwise where have you been?!

Right, so people need to stop saying he should have been back in eight months.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34997019/49ers-cb-jason-verrett-suffers-season-ending-achilles-injury Edit2: Actually fully relevant. He tore his acl in 2016 and has had chronic significant knee and lower leg injuries ever since. Looks like the first knee injury turned into a secondary knee issue, which turned into an Achilles, which turned into another acl, which turned into this most recent Achilles. Edit: this poor dude must have something going on with his mechanics (like RGIII or Zion Williamson in the nba). Not sure it's the best comp fully in retrospect because of it to White, but gotta be careful rushing people back if they are showing muscle imbalance or not adequate muscle endurance, which again I'm not sure is the case here. This guy tore the knee Sept last year too, so before White by over 2 months: "The Achilles tear is the latest in a long list of significant injuries Verrett has suffered since entering the league as a first-round pick of the Chargers in the 2014 NFL draft. Before Verrett tore his right ACL on Sept. 12, 2021, he also had played just six games in a four-season span (2016-18 with the Chargers and 2019 with the Niners) because of a torn left ACL in 2016, persistent knee issues in 2017 and a torn right Achilles in 2018 that lingered into 2019."

Navy beans, navy beans... Sandler is performing in Raleigh this weekend, and my wife and kids are going to be out of town. It's like absolutely perfect, except I'm still not doing large indoor crowds...arg!

Kate McKinnon is on the bills now?!?!

I mean he's probably not in game shape yet. So you'd what, play him for two snaps, pull him off for a bit and then two plays again. That's a lot of time for him to get cold muscles between reps. He needs to be able to play complete series I would think before they put him on the field and have his muscle fatigue be above a certain threshold. This is all being scientifically measured by the sports medicine team, which is elite.

I think there's also the fact that people have pushed back against societal norms that earlier generations just simply accepted. My father in law, when my now five year old was twoish pulled me aside and asked me to please not turn him into some marching band baton twirler. My guess is he didn't like the fact that my son saw a pink dance outfit at a garage sale and asked for it and would wear it and rock out to live music on YouTube. My kid can do whatever he wants and if he wanted to dance around to Phish or the Grateful Dead or whatever in a pink full body frilly dance costume party on kid. He's super into football now for what it's worth, but people get way too hung up on what should be, and don't think about according to who. It's so often the same people pounding the drum for personal freedom that most often give up that personal freedom by conforming most strongly to arbitrary social norms, ironically established to sell plastic crap (see blue vs pink being boy and girl because of marketing). Plus, football is boring.

Oh I'm well aware of how complicated being an nfl qb is and how much recall it takes to play at that level... like I said, it's insane

that’s the craziest part, insane

I was one of the people who was very unhappy when he was cut out of camp. He wasn't going to get a shot here to show his skills.

It’s going to be an amazing running gag, I can’t wait! My sense on the issue was the timing aspect of it and the lack of mutual respect and understanding of value PMS was providing in terms of building excitement for the NFL. My guess is this was a situation where an immediate cease and desist was sent. Also, there is a tiny part of me is wondering if this is an intentional fake thing they’re doing to drive interest. I doubt it, but PM got a big push from the Dan Lebatard Show early on and I could see that…they also were definitely not trolling their audience when he went hard after the MLB. I’m not watching PMS for the highlights or the logos, I didn’t even realize they really showed highlights and I don’t pay attention to logos (like I said, I’m super pumped for hand drawn logos though). Same with Dan Lebatard, I’m not consuming the content for the sports insight so much, as the poking fun at people who take sports way too seriously. Someone earlier used the term zeitgeist and I think that’s spot on. The NFL should tread lightly, because as much as anyone in the sports media landscape, Pat McAfee either captures or controls the zeitgeist really well. Also, they did recently talk about some darker side stuff of the nfl while talking about how the Packers never used tordol while AJ Hawk was there. It was brief and they kind of talked about it discretely like it was a third rail, but they talked about it. Lastly, I’m confused by the strategy here by the NFL. As a business strategy, are they focused on maximizing revenue or growing their business. I didn’t get the sense they were in a late stage milk all contracts, minimize marketing phase, but looks like maybe I’m wrong? Probably isn’t covered under fair use, because the contract for the highlights perhaps excludes that? At the same time, who cares about the contract, because you know they have these things called contract amendments that happen all the time. Just an unforced error on the part of the NFL, or maybe this is part of a coordinated plan with Irsay to take the focus off the Dan Snyder stuff…

Issue isn't a lack of diversity in the lower coaching ranks though...