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Mularkey and VanGorder have been excelent here in Atl. VanGorder especially. To do what he did with that talent last year on D was amazing. It was all smoke and mirrors, held together by bubble gum and duct tape. Mularky seems like he might be another guy that is fit to be a Cord not a head coach. but if they Falcons come out again and have a great year, he will most likely get another shot.

This staff developed him into what he is. If you argue that then we can agree to disagree.

What i am syaing is that he could have and should have done it the other way around. I spoke with one NFL scout last year, who btw came from INDY, and was there when they drafated Peyton. He had Ryan graded out as the same as Peyton. Now i did not believe him. But after the first game heck the first throw of Ryans career, i started becoming a believer. Right now the Falcons have two proven pieces for success in the NFL. A starting LT and a great QB. Dolphins have a starting LT and an unknown at QB. What would you rather have going into the next couple of years of your franchise????

Has Skip ever even played any sport at any level? Seriously? The guy has made a living 'stiring the pot'. Just like he did here. I mean think about it. When has he ever broke a story? When have you ever seen his name linked to anything important. He is just a 'shock jock'.

No instead the Dolphins passed on Matt Ryan. Who in his first year looks damn good. Like he could be a franchise QB for years. Then the Falcons traded back up and got a starting LT in Baker. I am so sick of people thinking Parcells is a genius. Fact is he missed the boat on Ryan. Plain and simple. Ask any owner or GM and they would tell you the same thing. Would you rather have a draft like the Falcons did last year or one like the Dolphins did? You still have no clue if Henne is a starter in this league. Where as the Falcons look to have their starting QB and LT for years to come.

Its not what he has done to show me. Its if the Bills coaches think he is ready. These are the same guys who saw it in Peters. I have no clue if he is ready. Nor did any of us know who the heck Peters was when they signed him to Undrafted Free Agency contract in 2005. As far as taking that risk. I am saying it might not be a choice. If Peters' deal can get worked out, then it might be one you are forced into. As far as this season goes Walker did a good job starting for Peters last year, if i remember correctly. My whole point here is that if Peters isn't here for one reaosn or the other. The team may have some options

If they are there at 11 hopefully your phones are lighting up with guys that want to trade up. Then you would be able to fall back and pick up an extra second rounder this year and maybe one next year. What the Bills really need is more Picks. And it is very arguable that at the positions they need players at who exactly is the best. DE very different opinions from talent 'experts' Same with LB once you get past Curry and interior Oline. You could get three need starters. Instead of taking a guy that you dont need. We all think the Bills need to win now. And we all think the Bills need more then one player to accomplish that. So tradeing down would help you accomplish your goals. As Herm said 'you play to win the game'.

So many guys on here are quick to dismiss Bell as a possible starter on next years Oline. However many of you guys are the same ones saying we cant loose Peters. Now i dont want to trade Peters really, but i also am very concerned about another hold out. I think Bell could be ready to play LG or RT. I would say play him at RT this year and move Walker to LT. Walker seemed to do pretty good last year while Peters was missing the first few games. Let Bell play RT this year then move him to LT next year. I guess at the end of the day if the Bills tell me he is ready, then i will take there word on it. They just got done doing the same thing with Peters a few years ago. Maybe just maybe its why they drafted Bell last year. Knowing all along Peters was going to be a problem getting locked up to a new deal. Bell had little playing time in college, he was seen as a very good athlete with very good footwork. Bell just needed to add some more strength and more knowledge of the position. Maybe he has done some of that this past year. Once again the coaches would know this a lot better then us. Your thoughts???

Does he have a contract? He probably would not be there even if he did. Nothing about him screams team player. Or staying in shape. He is sitting on his butt eating Ben and Jerrys and pork rinds. He will only be back once he gets hungry for great Pizza and wings

When i watch Skip i think about what Owens said about Garcia all those years ago.'He is gay', 'no really he is'.

The Bills MUST get the Peters situation resolved before the draft. If they dont then you are drafting blindly. Not knowing if you will or wont have a LT. If he is gone then you could definetly take Oher here. If Peters stays then take Robinson in the second. You would have a very good young line. With your possible replacement right tackle waiting in the wings in Bell.

That is your way of looking at it. But i would argue it was that they had players in place under longer contracts and his was up. Carolina could not pay him when his contract came up. So they had to let him go. Just like what happened to Greer here in Buffalo. Bills couldn't pay three corners starter money. When the Bills drafted McKelvin last year it signaled Greers end was near. Just like in Carolina when they drafted Khalil last year in the second. We can agree to disagree about this. But the season will tell. How well does Hangartner do this year, and the line as a whole. If they improve then i am right. If he turns out to be worse then what the Bills had then you are right. But just saying he is a back up is a very simplistic way of looking at it.

Hangartner was a back up, who got to show his talents. Carolina could not afford to pay him because they have a lot of money tied up on the line. So another team that needs a starter pays him. He produces at a starters level this year. It happens all the time in the NFL guys. Micheal Turner last year is a very good example. Sorry if you cant see how it works. But it does work.

Why do you think the Bills would have to give a third? There have been trades this offseason which seem to show he would not be valued at that. Denver has already made it known they want to trade him because he doesn't fit into their new system. He is a good pass catching TE but has a history of being injured a lot. Personally id go for a fith. Maybe a fourth. But would not use a pick for trade or draft in the first 3 rounds for a TE. Not this year.

I think the Bills go D in the first. The two biggest signings came on Offense. Owens and Hangartner. I would love to see the Bills take the best gaurd in the second. Might be the best true gaurd taken at that point. Duke Robinson sounds like a solid to great gaurd for years.

Remember last year. The first 3 picks were already done or working on contracts weeks before the draft. The NFL went irrate and said that would not happen again. But i would not be surprised if teams were doing the same thing, but just not makeing it official or widely known to the media. Stafford is the next Joey Harrington if he ends up in Detroit. And i am saying that as a UGA fan. Any QB that goes there will fail misserably until they fix that horrible Oline. But hey thats been Buffalos problem for years too.

None of those guys (Goff, Simmons, or June) are on anyone elses roster either. Its just like an other object for sale. I know that sounds callous, because we are talking about humans. But the longer something sits available, the more affordable it becomes. And i am sure those guys have recieved offers from some teams. And are maybe hoping a better offer will come in. Chances are it wont and then they will accept the best one they can get. But not before calling all the teams interested in them and giving them an update. The Bills will have a chance to sign anyone of those guys if they want them. Hangartner isn't a backup he is a starter now for us. He proved in the action he saw last year he was capable of playing everydown. Its a very similar scenerio to Micheal Turner . He was a back up at S.D. for Thomlinson. So do you think he isn't any good? Atlanta saw enough of him to know he was a starter, but stuck behind another player that was very good too. Once Turner got his chance he played great. Florence is not a replacement for Greer. People who think that are totally off base. Florence is a nickel back. McKelvin replaces Greer. And Florence will be very good vetran depth and experience in the secondary. And he was picked up for relatively cheap too.

Exactly. We need to all get over Jauron being back. He is the coach and we need to cheer for the team. Hopefully the teams wins and makes the playoffs. If they dont then next offseason the Bills get a new coach. But crying about it now is pointless. Kind of like our new President. If your guy didn't get elected, what, you going to hope the new guy does a terrible job? How does that help you? or the country? Some peoples short sightedness amazes me.

The Bills Wrs look better in their uniforms. Whats that worth?

He has already shown he will hold out. In theory your post sounds good but in reality it cant happen . Either you rework his deal or trade him. Those are the teams two options at this point.

To use your analogy; if that T.V was so expensive it stoped you from being able to buy a nice comfortable couch to watch the T.V on, would you still do it? And i am by no means being a smart ass. But i think you have to look at the longterm consequences/returns of doing the deal with Peters. If he had gone about this the right way. And played at a high level the last two years. And not held out. Then i would be right there with ya. But he hasn't and i am not.

The point is really do you want to tie up that much money in Peters. And could it end up hampering you for years to come. Yes he has shown he CAN be great, but he has also shown he is a huge negative force. And what happens if you sign him to the mega deal he wants. Are you 100% positive he will play at the highest most motivated level? And if you are please tell me what you are basing that assumption on. And dont bring up other players. Just tell me what about Peters past shows you he will be a happy content camper and play out that contract w/o a peep. Personally if you could get a first for him i would do it. There has been many more LT panning out lately then not. You could get a good to great LT with your 1st pick in the draft and then go after another impact player with your other first later. And the two salaries of those firsts would not equal Peters one that he wants now. Something about Peters is very unsettling to me. He seems to have money written all over him. Thats not a bad thing, but a guy who doesn't love the game, and like to compete, is very easy to become complascent once he has the money.

Or the kicker.

I personally would like a guy that has played some in the NFL and shown he can perform. And just because he was a back up last year doesn't always mean a guy is a scrub. The Falcons were able to get Micheal Turner last year from S.D. And he turned out to be pretty damn good. He had shown when given the opportunity he could perform while in S.D and when he became a free agent his current team could not afford to carry that much payroll at the same position. So he signed elsewhere. Exactly what happened here. Carolina could not afford to have that much money tied up in the Oline so they had to let Hangartner get paid elsewhere.

Left gaurd i would address in the draft. Probably with the second pick. On defense i agree the Bills need another 'impact' player. At 11 this gets addressed. You need two players in the front seven. This must be addressed with your first and third pick. It is great to have 'impact' players all over the field but that usually doesn't happen .Instead have one at each 'level' and then surround them with very solid starters. I want to think that maybe Bell, McCargo, Ellis, Johnson, and Fine can be those solid starters we need from them. Atleast give them playing time this year, and then next year decide if you need to go after some FAs or pick guys up in the draft for those positions. You can not get every need filled in one off season with great impact players.