Mark Vader Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I would have taken LB Brian Cushing. I was'nt overly impressed with the DE's in the 2009 Draft, except for Tyson Jackson. Taking Cushing would have solved our Keith Ellison problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Is that really the best you got? The guy is holding out of training camp and apparently that means that his skills on the football field will not translate in the NFL like the proverbial example of Flowers you so graciously provided. Good stuff. Can we PLEASE wait until we see Maybin play a game, hell even a down, in this league before we throw the bust label on him and start crying for Orakpo and the others? Don't hold your breath on him a playing a down anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I thought Maybin was a great pick and was thrilled that they took him in the first round. It's been years since the Bills have had a true impact player on the front seven that offensive coordinators have to game plan around and I think we have one now. I would have nearly been as happy with Orakpo, but I think that in the long run Maybin will be the better player because he's more explosive off of the edge. I say this because Maybin has the same burning desire to excel that all the great ones have. There are too many guys that never reach their full potential because they've gotten by so long strictly on their athletic talent alone. Which is also why I was glad Ohler was not the pick. Ohler wasn't pushed much in college and never developed the kind of work ethic that he needs to be a star in the league. He reminds me much too much of Mike Williams and I really would have been ticked off if they had picked him. The only desire he has is to get paid beyond what he is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 would have tried like hell to trade down - if I had to stay there I would have taken Oher but to be fair to the Bills there were significant question marks about almost every player in this draft- Oher learning ability, Orakpo maxed-out frame, Pettigrew ability to stretch the field, Ayers explosiveness,- I didn't like the Maybin pick but I understood it - it's the Bryd pick that frustrates me there was a lot of talent left at DL, (E. Brown, C Barwin, C Sintim, M Johnson, J Gilbert and L Sidbury) and OL ( Unger, Loadholt, Beatty) so for me Bryd had better be all that and a bag of chips. Agree ... The Byrd pick is inexcusable even w/o the sports hernia. Think the Giants or Steelers would let their O and D lines go undrafted for years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Agree ... The Byrd pick is inexcusable even w/o the sports hernia. Think the Giants or Steelers would let their O and D lines go undrafted for years.... Judging by their draft history, yes: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft...0&type=team http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft...0&type=team Quick summary: - Since 2002, Pittsburgh has drafted 2 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds (Trai Essex and Max Starks, both 3rd round tackles) - Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a defensive lineman in the first 3 rounds since 2001 - 2002 was the last draft (prior to 2009 in which the team selected William Beatty in round 2) in which the Giants picked an offensive lineman higher than the 4th round...incidentally, that lineman was Jeff Hatch, who never started a game in the NFL - The Giants have spent 1 first rounder on a defensive lineman since 2004 (1 less than Buffalo), however, they also spent a 3rd round pick in each of 2005 and 2007 on defensive linemen (1 more than Buffalo). I guess I say all of that to say this: it's a quality issue, not a quantity issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I would have taken LB Brian Cushing. I was'nt overly impressed with the DE's in the 2009 Draft, except for Tyson Jackson. Taking Cushing would have solved our Keith Ellison problem. yeah, but it wouldn't help our pass rush problem which is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Thought they did. We did...to an extent. However, we could have gotten a better talent for the O-Line in the 1st round instead of Maybin, whom I REALLY like, being a big PSU fan. We could have then gotten a pass-rusher in the 2nd or 3rd, like Brown, Johnson or Sidbury. We also could have gotten ANOTHER O-Line prospect instead of taking Byrd, where we have a jam at the Safety position. *Seems like my choosing of Michael Oher has been a popular choice, and a solid one at that, around here, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm with Mike Mayock, he really opened my eyes to Robert Ayers. May not be the pass rusher this team was looking for, but I think he will be the best all around DE out of the draft. I would've been very happy to have him as a Bill. Agreed! I had become sold on Ayers before the draft and was hoping he'd be there. He was, the Bills sadly went in another direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF88Bills Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Maybin was a luxury pick and at best a situational pass rusher. Not a smart pick in the 1st round. Has Eric Flowers written all over him. At 11, Bills should have taken either Orakpo or Ayers and then Everette in the 2nd round. Of course, Dick "Gutless" Jauron opted for a DB who was not needed. I equate the luxury pick to that of Roscoe Parrish....the bills need to upgrade with a solid player at a prominent position, and they go specialist. In a couple of years, we're still going to be waiting for an all 'round DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm thinking Brian Orakpo. I liked Ayers from the start, due to the fact he was on the coach's all-SEC team. He is bigger than Maybin and should theoritically hold up against the run better. It is all documented way back in January right here in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-a-licious Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 ERIC WOOD, LOUISVILLE Lovin' this kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At least Maybin will give 100% effort on the field, unlike Vernon Ghol-errr Brian Orakpo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Who would you have picked at #11,, now that we see the crap Maybin is pulling... I would have went with Oher or Robert Ayers who was probably the best all around DE in this draft and how long has it been since the Bills had a quality all around DE? Phil Hansen maybe Maybin was the last guy I wanted the Bills to pick...undersized one year wonder who doesnt even have a chance of being an every down player until his 3rd year at the earliest...add the fact that he played DE at Penn St and I like the pick even less how does a team that hasnt been to the playoffs in 10 years draft a guy at 11 that wont even start...its not like there is quality ahead of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I didn't liked Orakpo because he was a Longhorn. I didn't want to draft Maybin, because other than raw speed, he is too green to contribute right away. I would have drafted Oher but there were some concerns about his desire to be a football player or something to that effect. I hated the #11 pick period. I didn't love any player at #11 for all of the above reasons and more. A lot of scouts were saying Oher had some learning disabilities and that he was a right tackle that maybe someday would make it to left tackle. Even though we needed help rushing the passer rush I think a "specialist" could be had later; Sidbury, Everett Brown, Ayers. I saw Clint Sintim playing for the Giants the other night and looked good. With that being said, with all the money currently tied up at DE I think I would have permanently fixed the LB position at #11 and taken just about any of the OLB's on the board to replace Ellison. That way you would be getting a starter and not a "specialist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Maybin was the last guy I wanted the Bills to pick...undersized one year wonder who doesnt even have a chance of being an every down player until his 3rd year at the earliest...add the fact that he played DE at Penn St and I like the pick even less Yeah, I hear you. The part that pi**es me off is that because of the holdout the Bills probably won't be able to conduct a couple of experiments with Maybin. I want to see if maybe he can play OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 At least Maybin will give 100% effort on the field, unlike Vernon Ghol-errr Brian Orakpo. For your information Vernon Gholtson plays hard and gives 100% effort... he is having big time problems switching from DE in college to OLB in the NFL. Most DE's that are moved to OLB tend to have difficulty with coverages and gap assignments. Also, he will most likely be making more impact in the NFL this year then *show me the money* Maybin will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Nole Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I definitely wanted a pass rusher, just not Maybin. I was partial to Ayers. I absolutely loved the Wood pick and thought for sure we'd grab Everette Brown instead of Byrd. Maybin is dead to me and I hope Ellis develops into a stud pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm thinking Brian Orakpo. I'm wondering when the UT in him comes out, and he starts injuring his chest and butt, giving 50% on plays, and looking confused like just about every one of these highly touted Longhorns does. No, thanks; I'll stick with the guy from PSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I would have taken Peria Jerry if Maybin was ready to sign on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I would have taken Peria Jerry if Maybin was ready to sign on the spot. As far as draft eligible defensive tackles go, I have Ziggy Hood ahead of Peria Jerry. The Steelers got a steal (steel?) taking him with the last pick in the first round IMO. But I think #11 is too high for either player regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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