1billsfan Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 What you call "chickensh*t" football, I call a pretty sound and reliable approach to the defensive portion of the game. What you call "chickensh*t" football has absolutely no bearing on the offensive side of the ball. Period. Dick Jauron coached chickensh*t football in 2002 (pssst...the "coward" comment was dead on), just as he's still coaching chickensh*t football in 2009. "Hi Bills fans I'm The Big Cat, and I think Dick Jauron having a 7 out of 8 losing seasons record is pretty sound and reliable." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Dick Jauron coached chickensh*t football in 2002 (pssst...the "coward" comment was dead on), just as he's still coaching chickensh*t football in 2009. "Hi Bills fans I'm The Big Cat, and I think Dick Jauron having a 7 out of 8 losing seasons record is pretty sound and reliable." I'm pretty sure that The Big Cat is Dick Jauron. Dick was hired on 1/23/06 and The Big Cat ( an unabashed Jauron ball-washer ) began posting on 8/16/06. Coincidence? Either that or TBC is simply the world's biggest fan of mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 It sucks when your Dick is too soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm pretty sure that The Big Cat is Dick Jauron. Dick was hired on 1/23/06 and The Big Cat ( an unabashed Jauron ball-washer ) began posting on 8/16/06. Coincidence? Either that or TBC is simply the world's biggest fan of mediocrity. The personnel is what is mediocre. Poor offensive line play, poor defensive line play, poor quarterbacking, poor records. It would be that way with ANY head coach. Jauron has been saddled with at least 2 of these 3 circumstances his entire career...yet, he finds a way to avoid dismal W/L records. Give him strong line play and quality quarterbacking, and watch what happens. Ralph Wilson understands all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm pretty sure that The Big Cat is Dick Jauron. Dick was hired on 1/23/06 and The Big Cat ( an unabashed Jauron ball-washer ) began posting on 8/16/06. Coincidence? Either that or TBC is simply the world's biggest fan of mediocrity. Hey, at least that's a reasonable explanation for the undying love for such a well established loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 The personnel is what is mediocre. Poor offensive line play, poor defensive line play, poor quarterbacking, poor records. It would be that way with ANY head coach. Jauron has been saddled with at least 2 of these 3 circumstances his entire career...yet, he finds a way to avoid dismal W/L records. Give him strong line play and quality quarterbacking, and watch what happens. Ralph Wilson understands all of this. Seriously, is there some sort of Cult Of Dick organization that's brainwashing you Jauron fans into believing these garbage excuse talking points???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 The personnel is what is mediocre. Poor offensive line play, poor defensive line play, poor quarterbacking, poor records. It would be that way with ANY head coach. Jauron has been saddled with at least 2 of these 3 circumstances his entire career...yet, he finds a way to avoid dismal W/L records. Give him strong line play and quality quarterbacking, and watch what happens. Ralph Wilson understands all of this. Good coaches get the most out of their players. They inspire them, challenge them, and prepare them to be their very best. Dick Jauron sets the bar low with his soft approach to practice and training camp and his eagerness to accept and excuse losses. The problem is not with our players, it's the coaching. These guys are the best of the best and we are in the age of parity. I believe that at least a dozen different coaches could have taken the same roster we had to the playoffs last season. When you hand a bunch of guys over to Fred Rogers, his personality emerges on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Good coaches get the most out of their players. I agree completely. Most coaches, when working with poor quarterback play and poor line play, would struggle to win 4 games. Dick Jauron consistently gets the most possible out of the teams he is given, and in terms of W/L records, has exceeded the marks we could have reasonably expected 3 times out of 3. Its like clockwork, really. We give him poor lines and poor quarterbacks, and he still finds a way to post an average record. I'm not sure Houdini could manage the same. But I get it. The team hasn't made the playoffs, and Jauron is the only one in the organization who shows his face to the media after a loss...we need someone to blame, and his constant presence makes him the easiest target. So rather than examine the structure of our front office, which is a joke, and is the reason Jauron has been saddled with poor lines and poor quarterbacks...we lynch the Head Coach, who has now found a way to put lipstick on a pig for 3 years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanjosh Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I am not going to argue that the players make mistakes and the coaches are not entirely to blame but let's look at the games in question: 1. Cleveland - TE played his worst career game and Lindell missed a game winning FG. When all is said and done, the Bills had the ball at the Cleveland 30 with a minute to play. DJ decided to run the clock and kick the 47 yarder. 47 yards is not a "chip shot" field goal you settle on. You take it, if that's your only choice. If they attempted to move the football even 10 yards closer, the chance of having a successful field goal goes up dramatically. Coaching mistake. 2. NYJ - Bills have the ball with less than 2 minutes left and a 4 point lead and the Jets have 1 Timeout. Turk calls for a run (Lynch avg 6 ypc), DJ overrules and calls a pass. Losman, one of the most sacked QB's per dropback of all-time, gets sacked and fumbles. Blame should be put on Losman, but this is a run, run, run, punt situation. Losman shouldn't have been in the situation to begin with. Coaching mistake. So in one instance DJ clearly should have run and in the other instance DJ clearly should have passed and since he tried to win two different games two different ways and it didn't work out either time, he is an idiot. Hindsight is 20/20 and you can't sit here and say "he should have done this instead of that" when you have examples that contradict each other and neither one of them worked out. DJ and the Bills seemed snake-bit last year when it came to making pivotal plays late in games to get the win, no matter what they did, it didn't work out. It wasn't that the play calling was that bad, we just couldn't execute when the game was on the line. Chalk it up to inexperienced players and a first year OC. Now that the Bills have TO to open up the offense and we have filled some holes on defense, we should be a lot better and shouldn't be involved in such tight games. If we go 7-9 again then Trent, Turk and Dick will probably be shown the door. From a talent point of view, 2009 is the most complete roster the Bills have had (except maybe OTs) in the DJ era and Trent is more experienced and Turk has a full season under his belt at OC, which is why this is a make or break year for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I agree completely. Most coaches, when working with poor quarterback play and poor line play, would struggle to win 4 games. Dick Jauron consistently gets the most possible out of the teams he is given, and in terms of W/L records, has exceeded the marks we could have reasonably expected 3 times out of 3. Its like clockwork, really. We give him poor lines and poor quarterbacks, and he still finds a way to post an average record. I'm not sure Houdini could manage the same. But I get it. The team hasn't made the playoffs, and Jauron is the only one in the organization who shows his face to the media after a loss...we need someone to blame, and his constant presence makes him the easiest target. So rather than examine the structure of our front office, which is a joke, and is the reason Jauron has been saddled with poor lines and poor quarterbacks...we lynch the Head Coach, who has now found a way to put lipstick on a pig for 3 years running. The pathetic nature of the few remnants of the jauron-lovers have reached a low i never thought i'd see: People ballwashing jauron so bad that they somehow twist 3 consecutive 7-9 records as a sign of how good a coach he is. please, please, please tell me my sarcasm detector is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 The pathetic nature of the few remnants of the jauron-lovers have reached a low i never thought i'd see: People ballwashing jauron so bad that they somehow twist 3 consecutive 7-9 records as a sign of how good a coach he is. please, please, please tell me my sarcasm detector is broken. 1. No coach wins with poor lines and poor quarterbacks 2. The Bills have given Jauron poor lines and poor quarterbacks Conclusion: Seven wins, nine losses exceeds reasonable expectations. Show me the hole in the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 1. No coach wins with poor lines and poor quarterbacks2. The Bills have given Jauron poor lines and poor quarterbacks Conclusion: Nine wins, seven losses exceeds reasonable expectations. Show me the hole in the logic, or get out of here with your petty labeling. DUH! The hole in the logic is that a good coach could have gotten more out of his high priced and Pro Bowl linemen. On the defensive side of the line, Dick got what he wanted. It was his mastermind decision to have quick, light weight D-linemen. He had a plan to revolutionize the game (see his introductory press conference). No one to blame but soft, disappointed, Dick Mauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 DUH! The hole in the logic is that a good coach could have gotten more out of his high priced and Pro Bowl linemen. On the defensive side of the line, Dick got what he wanted. It was his mastermind decision to have quick, light weight D-linemen. He had a plan to revolutionize the game (see his introductory press conference). No one to blame but soft, disappointed, Dick Mauron. I'm not sure that 3 years is enough time to get in his type of player. It's difficult to draft in the NFL not to mention the difficultness of free agency. Those two difficult propositions make changing a team overnight in 3 years difficult. We wish we had drafted every player we wanted to draft, but that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm not sure that 3 years is enough time to get in his type of player. It's difficult to draft in the NFL not to mention the difficultness of free agency. Those two difficult propositions make changing a team overnight in 3 years difficult. We wish we had drafted every player we wanted to draft, but that didn't happen. Again, more excuse making and enabling. How long will it continue? Who else needs to pass up the Bills before some of you guys open your eyes? The Chiefs, the Lions, what is it going to take to get some of you people to expect and demand more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Again, more excuse making and enabling. How long will it continue? Who else needs to pass up the Bills before some of you guys open your eyes? The Chiefs, the Lions, what is it going to take to get some of you people to expect and demand more? It's not an excuse! It's an explanation! We're NOT the Chiefs, nor the Lions, our records have been consistently better than theirs. In each of the last three years we've still been in the playoff race come Week 15. The "bad" teams in our league are shut out before week 10. Why don't YOU open your eyes. You like to cherry pick all these "turn-around" seasons by citing the 2008 Falcons and Dolphins, completely ignoring the fact that the Falcons had the NFL rushing champion and picked in the top 10 two seasons in a row, something the Bills have never done, in fact, they haven't picked in the top 10 since Jauron's been on board. As for the Dolphins, they had Cleo Lemon and John Beck playing quarterback for them in 2007. I know Bills fans like to assume that Pennington is a bad quarterback, but he's simply not, the guy can play. He's smart, and he makes the right decision. So for the 100000000000000000000th time, in both of these cases QUARTERBACK had much more to do with the team's success than coaching. In Atlanta's case, having the league's best rusher made Matt Ryan's job infinitely easier. I realize it's a lot easier to just blame the coach, seeing how that's all thick skulled Bills fans seem to know how to do. So, until YOU demonstrate the capacity to critically analyze a TEAM, save the shout outs for your boyfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 DUH! The hole in the logic is that a good coach could have gotten more out of his high priced and Pro Bowl linemen. On the defensive side of the line, Dick got what he wanted. It was his mastermind decision to have quick, light weight D-linemen. He had a plan to revolutionize the game (see his introductory press conference). No one to blame but soft, disappointed, Dick Mauron. lol. There are good small D-linemen, and there are bad small d-linemen. Just like there are good big d-linemen and bad big d-linemen. The Bills front office has not provided Jauron with athletic, disruptive linemen. Last year, the Bills started Ryan Denney, Chris Kelsay and Kyle Williams at 3 of the 4 DL positions. Yeah...no. And Beerball was clearly being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Again, more excuse making and enabling. How long will it continue? Who else needs to pass up the Bills before some of you guys open your eyes? The Chiefs, the Lions, what is it going to take to get some of you people to expect and demand more? Well, my sarcasm obviously didn't shine through that post. I've got you ripping into me and TBC defending me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Well, my sarcasm obviously didn't shine through that post. I've got you ripping into me and TBC defending me. I know, I get it now. I should have seen it at first glance, but in my defense, it's pretty sad that a sarcastic post like that actually resembles the thought process of a lot of posters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 It's not an excuse! It's an explanation! We're NOT the Chiefs, nor the Lions, our records have been consistently better than theirs. In each of the last three years we've still been in the playoff race come Week 15. The "bad" teams in our league are shut out before week 10. Why don't YOU open your eyes. You like to cherry pick all these "turn-around" seasons by citing the 2008 Falcons and Dolphins, completely ignoring the fact that the Falcons had the NFL rushing champion and picked in the top 10 two seasons in a row, something the Bills have never done, in fact, they haven't picked in the top 10 since Jauron's been on board. As for the Dolphins, they had Cleo Lemon and John Beck playing quarterback for them in 2007. I know Bills fans like to assume that Pennington is a bad quarterback, but he's simply not, the guy can play. He's smart, and he makes the right decision. So for the 100000000000000000000th time, in both of these cases QUARTERBACK had much more to do with the team's success than coaching. In Atlanta's case, having the league's best rusher made Matt Ryan's job infinitely easier. I realize it's a lot easier to just blame the coach, seeing how that's all thick skulled Bills fans seem to know how to do. So, until YOU demonstrate the capacity to critically analyze a TEAM, save the shout outs for your boyfriend. You contradict yourself so much here that it's difficult to decide where to begin. So, we're not as bad as the Chiefs or Lions? Well what about the 1-15 '07 Dolphins that became 11-5? You say it's all about Quarterbacking? So I suppose that Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Chad Pennington are elite NFL quarterbacks? Are you really saying that if ONLY Dick Jauron HAD Pennington, Flacco, or Ryan that he could produce a winning record and a playoff team?!?! BAWHAHAHAHA! Good one!!! Try buying a clue before you post again little kitty!!! Is it time for your meds yet??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 You contradict yourself so much here that it's difficult to decide where to begin. So, we're not as bad as the Chiefs or Lions? Well what about the 1-15 '07 Dolphins that became 11-5? You say it's all about Quarterbacking? So I suppose that Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Chad Pennington are elite NFL quarterbacks? Are you really saying that if ONLY Dick Jauron HAD Pennington, Flacco, or Ryan that he could produce a winning record and a playoff team?!?! BAWHAHAHAHA! Good one!!! Try buying a clue before you post again little kitty!!! Is it time for your meds yet??? Lions record since 2006: 10-38 Chiefs record since 2006: 15-33 Bills record since 2006: 21-27 Well, considering the Ravens made the playoffs in 2006, 2003, and 2001, they don't belong in the "turn around" category. They also finished 5-11 in 2007, hardly an epically bad season. Did I indicate that Ryan was the sole purpose for the Falcons turnaround. F-ck no I didn't. In fact I made it a point to emphasize the cushion he had handing the ball to the NFL RUSHING CHAMPION. However, by their forces combined YOU CAN'T for a second tell me it was "all coaching." And if you don't think it was, then go ahead and remove them from your turnaround argument as well because you simply can't have it both ways. And yes, the 2008 Bills would have made the playoffs with Pennington starting over Edwards. I also never once used the word "elite." Anything else you want to be moronic about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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