Oct 2002 - The story of Dick Jauron "Coward"-gate

[1billsfan]

Kinda like the 2008 Baltimore Ravens who made the playoffs with a rookie QB and rookie HC?

 

The facts remain the same: 8 NFL seasons as a HC. 1 playoff appearance. 1 playoff loss.

 

 

Or how about the 1-15 Dolphins turning the corner in 1 year and winning the AFC East with a rookie head coach and a QB that was considered a washed-up noodle-armed punchline of a starting QB.

 

It's no use arguing with guys who still are able to come up with excuses for Dick's putrid record as a head coach. I'm sure there were still a couple of diehard supporters of Rich Kotite and Wayne Fonts back in the day.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Kinda like the 2008 Baltimore Ravens who made the playoffs with a rookie QB and rookie HC?

 

The facts remain the same: 8 NFL seasons as a HC. 1 playoff appearance. 1 playoff loss.

I'm sure like me, you also don't have time for silly arguments.

 

My last word on this is that last year's Baltimore defense continued the level of greatness that they've exhibited since 1999. Last year they were 3rd in scoring defense.

 

When the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2000, their starting quarterback, Trent Dilfer, completed 12 passes and led the Ravens to 13 first downs. They still won the game 34-7. They had touchdowns from their defensive and special teams.

 

And last year's Ravens had 11 players who started all 16 games, so while they were hit hard by the injury bug, it was nowhere near the misfortune that the 2002 Bears suffered through.

 

In short, nothing personal but I think your comparison of the 2002 Bears with the 2008 Ravens has very little validity.

[Sisyphean Bills]

I'm sure like me, you also don't have time for silly arguments.

 

My last word on this is that last year's Baltimore defense continued the level of greatness that they've exhibited since 1999. Last year they were 3rd in scoring defense.

 

When the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2000, their starting quarterback, Trent Dilfer, completed 12 passes and led the Ravens to 13 first downs. They still won the game 34-7. They had touchdowns from their defensive and special teams.

 

And last year's Ravens had 11 players who started all 16 games, so while they were hit hard by the injury bug, it was nowhere near the misfortune that the 2002 Bears suffered through.

 

In short, nothing personal but I think your comparison of the 2002 Bears with the 2008 Ravens has very little validity.

Still, 2002 was but 1 year. Would it make it more soothing if we threw that year out and didn't count it? Then, to be fair we'd have to throw out DJ's best year as well, the 2001 season. Now, with the remaining 6 seasons, DJ's best record is 7-9. His overall winning percentage (for those 6 years) actually drops from 43.8% to 40.6%.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

You guys think DJ is too conservative?

 

I think he's too risky. It seems like our big mistakes come when he takes risks (e.g., Losman third down pass during Jets game last year; Losman deep bomb attempt against Broncos in 2007 season opener to ice the game).

 

I'd rather just have a good defense, run the ball a lot, not turn it over, and win games 20-17.

[1billsfan]

You guys think DJ is too conservative?

 

I think he's too risky. It seems like our big mistakes come when he takes risks (e.g., Losman third down pass during Jets game last year; Losman deep bomb attempt against Broncos in 2007 season opener to ice the game).

 

I'd rather just have a good defense, run the ball a lot, not turn it over, and win games 20-17.

 

That was an outlier decision made by a man with absolutely no football instincts whatsoever. It's become clear to me that the opposing teams we play actually know what plays we're running before our team does. That is how conservative and predictable the Bills have been on offense and defense with Jauron at the helm. And when the time came to just run the damn ball up the gut, he decides to choose the worst time to be "Mr. Excitement".

[Lurker]

That was an outlier decision made by a man with absolutely no football instincts whatsoever. It's become clear to me that the opposing teams we play actually know what plays we're running before our team does. That is how conservative and predictable the Bills have been on offense and defense with Jauron at the helm. And when the time came to just run the damn ball up the gut, he decides to choose the worst time to be "Mr. Excitement".

Why do so many people think the HC calls the offensive plays...

[zazie]

Coward, loser, constipated fool, so many words you can use to describe Dick. Unfortunatley, 'good' is not one of them...

[Hossage]

Conservative works when you have a team that can run the ball and an agressive defense that gets the ball back quickly. Especially with our weather, there is no excuse for not having a team that can run the ball.

[zazie]

Or how about the 1-15 Dolphins turning the corner in 1 year and winning the AFC East with a rookie head coach and a QB that was considered a washed-up noodle-armed punchline of a starting QB.

 

It's no use arguing with guys who still are able to come up with excuses for Dick's putrid record as a head coach. I'm sure there were still a couple of diehard supporters of Rich Kotite and Wayne Fonts back in the day.

Lets bring Kotite in!!!

[spartacus]

In addition to playing all of their home games at the University of Illinois, only four players started all 16 games for the Bears that year: Marty Booker, Brian Urlacher, Mike Green, and Jerry Azumah.

 

In addition to not being a very talented squad they were very hard hit with injuries.

wherever Dick goes - his protectors are playing the injury card to defend him

 

could it be that his training staff is incompetent?

 

or maybe the injuyies are because his teams are "soft" due to country club training camps and indoor practices which do not prepare the players for the rigors of an NFL season.

[Thurman#1]

Actually, if one straight up compares the two coaches first 8 full seasons without special qualifiers and arbitrary exceptions...

 

In Belichick's first 8 years, his team won 61 games. Jauron has won 56. Belichick had won 4 playoff games by then including a Super Bowl. Jauron has only been to the playoffs one time and his team got destroyed at home.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/JaurDi0.htm

 

 

That's why he said pre-Brady. Get it?

[Thurman#1]

Or how about the 1-15 Dolphins turning the corner in 1 year and winning the AFC East with a rookie head coach and a QB that was considered a washed-up noodle-armed punchline of a starting QB.

 

It's no use arguing with guys who still are able to come up with excuses for Dick's putrid record as a head coach. I'm sure there were still a couple of diehard supporters of Rich Kotite and Wayne Fonts back in the day.

 

 

... was WRONGLY considered as a noodle-armed ....

 

Get Pennington out of the wind and the cold and he has plenty of strength in his arm to get the job done. The Dolphins greatly improved their personnel this year, had the number one draft choice and went from having no quarterback to having a very fine quarterback.

[Thurman#1]

Why do so many people think the HC calls the offensive plays...

 

 

Thank you.

[NewHampshireBillsFan]

I don't think the problem with Jauron is that he coaches too conservatively or hires conservative offensive assistants. I think he just doesn't make the best game day decisions and his teams don't seem prepared for what may happen in a game. That is part of the issue with having untested coordinators. In the end it comes down to not being willing to pay for top assistants and top head coaches.

 

You can win with different styles and the great coaches also adapt. I mean Chuck Knox, considered the most conservative coach of his era, is the one who made the shotgun popular in the NFL starting in 1980 with the Bills. Dallas had used the shotgun for years in the 70's but it was considered a Dallas oddity until Knox proved how great it was with a 60% 3rd down conversion rate in 1980. After that everyone implemented the shotgun and it has stayed until this day.

 

The Bills had great coaches at times, not just head coaches but assistant coaches. Under Marv Levy, we had Ted Marchibroda, once and future HC himself, as OC. He was the brains behind the Bills great offenses of the SB era.

 

Still, I think or at least hope DJ and the assistants will have a good year with the infusion of talent and hopefully all the learning the coaches have had the last few years. I'd like to see the Bills have more of a rough, kick butt mentality, esp. against low life NE*. DJ should get over his politeness with Bellicheat*.

[Sisyphean Bills]

That's why he said pre-Brady. Get it?

That's why I compared 8 years to 8 years. Get it?

 

But, if we want to play short bus janitor games, we can take Jauron's best year and scale it by 33 years for 429 total victories and say Jauron is a better coach than Don Shula who only had 347 wins in 33 years in the NFL.

[C.Biscuit97]

That's why I compared 8 years to 8 years. Get it?

 

But, if we want to play short bus janitor games, we can take Jauron's best year and scale it by 33 years for 429 total victories and say Jauron is a better coach than Don Shula who only had 347 wins in 33 years in the NFL.

 

I don't know how you can say anyone is riding the short bus when you lack serious reading comprehension. My original statement said that Jauron had a better record (win % wise) than Belichick PRE-BRADY. Since apparrntly, you struggle with the term pre, I'll explain further. Pre refers to before. So I was comparing Belichick's record before Brady.

 

Brady entered the picture after the Pats* were 0-1 in 2001. So including that 0-1 (since it was before Brady played), his career record was 41-56 or a winning % of .422. He had exactly 1 playoff win in 2 games. Jauron's record is 57-76 or a winning % of .429. Jauron is 0-1 in the playoffs. So PRE-BRADY, DJ had a better winning %.

 

So the point is that this guy, BB, that everyone thinks is this mastermind had a worse record than the guy you think is the worst coach ever. But I'm sure given BB's success PRE-BRADY, he would have been winning Super Bowls with the likes of Matthews, Miller, Losman, & McNown.

[thewildrabbit]

Conservative works when you have a team that can run the ball and an aggressive defense that gets the ball back quickly. Especially with our weather, there is no excuse for not having a team that can run the ball.

Talk to Turk Schonert, he wants to run a no huddle offense with two rookies and a back up FA center, still trying to find out who will play right tackle.

More then likely Jauron will have a revolving platform to shuttle O linemen in and out of games this season.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Why do so many people think the HC calls the offensive plays...

This would be the million dollar question.

[dib]

Boys, this horse is still dead.

[BuffaloBill]

Thanks for stealing the time it took me to read this lame post that has no relevance to anything other than some fan who doesnt understand football calling into a radio station and calling him a coward...

 

I used to think the Raiders had the worst fans in football, I am starting to think its now the Bills fans...I mean, we have just had a very good offseason capped by a fantastic draft (based on what we know at this exact moment about the drafted players) and have all the reason to be optimistic, but yet you have your dirty panties in a wad about a dumb phone call probably from some drunk fan 7 years ago...

 

Let me ask you this, whats the one thing DJ has never had during any of the years he has been a HC? Give up...a Quarterback...pretty hard to win in this league or be "aggressive" when your QB is NOT capable of handling that...

 

 

While I agree there is little to be gained by trashing DJ I am not sure why you feel compelled to defend him. Let's all hope DJ turns it around this year but his record suggests he will not. As far as the "very good offseason" goes only time will tell. We essentially have an all new o-line. Clearly a high risk potentially high reward situation. If it works the Bills FO will be hailed as geniuses. If not, we add to years of frustration and start looking for a new coach and GM.