VJ91 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Says people a lot closer to the Bills than Gil Brandt. And thats all I'm saying about the situation. Are those the same people that were telling us Cutler was going to be a Bill? Listen, neither Gil Brandt nor Buffalo "Deep Throat" nor Skooby know who the Bills will draft at any pick at any round. All I know, is that the Bills should get their DE and their OT with those two picks, in whatever order they choose. And in the last couple of drafts, I have to admit the circle jerks have drafted for their obvious needs. Donte Whitner under Levy was the last jaw dropper, so I don't expect any shocks, be it Ayers, Oher, or other DE's or OT's taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Are those the same people that were telling us Cutler was going to be a Bill? Nope, they never had a thing to say about Cutler coming to Buffalo...probably because there never WAS any discussion about Cutler coming to Buffalo. I trust my source very much...they haven't led me astray yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i like Ayers, but trading Peters changes everything. I see us hoping one of the top three OT's makes it to 11. If that doesn't happen, I guess we might grab Ayers and hope to get a second tier OT at 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoverbills Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The Bills will draft Ayers if he's available at #11. He only had three sacks last year, so that make sense. Another weak pass rusher ,who is good againts the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I suspect with the Peters trade we are pretty much out of the defensive lineman biz for number 11. If we don't get a first rate OT in this draft the season goes downhill and the FO becomes the laughingstock of the NFL. I for one would NOT want to wait to 28 to address this need. Kind of takes Ayers pretty much out of the equation as far as the Bills are concerned as nobody really expects him to be available at 28. Trading up or down doesn't make much sense as we should get one of the top three OT's with a tiny bit of luck at 11 and there should be a number of very good defensive line prospects, Center prospects, or OLB prospects or even a quality tight end (Pettigrew?) at 28. We are in a pretty good draft posture to address real needs, but OT is the biggest need right now. Ayers will be a good player for somebody. Not Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I suspect with the Peters trade we are pretty much out of the defensive lineman biz for number 11. If we don't get a first rate OT in this draft the season goes downhill and the FO becomes the laughingstock of the NFL. I for one would NOT want to wait to 28 to address this need. Kind of takes Ayers pretty much out of the equation as far as the Bills are concerned as nobody really expects him to be available at 28. Trading up or down doesn't make much sense as we should get one of the top three OT's with a tiny bit of luck at 11 and there should be a number of very good defensive line prospects, Center prospects, or OLB prospects or even a quality tight end (Pettigrew?) at 28. We are in a pretty good draft posture to address real needs, but OT is the biggest need right now. Ayers will be a good player for somebody. Not Buffalo. I just dont agree that we absolutely have to take a OT with that 11th pick...... I hate to get painted into a corner and be forced to pick soley out of need....that is where you get your busts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Indeed, Flowers had 10.5 sacks as a senior, Ayers had 3. Ayers had only 3 sacks??? seriously??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I just dont agree that we absolutely have to take a OT with that 11th pick...... I hate to get painted into a corner and be forced to pick soley out of need....that is where you get your busts 50th overall 3 years ago, and a good starter from day one: http://www.nfl.com/players/marcusmcneill/c...ts?id=MCN657532 There were worries about his back, which is why he dropped. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ayers/2501.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The Bills will draft Ayers if he's available at #11. I hope you are right and I really like your mock draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I just dont agree that we absolutely have to take a OT with that 11th pick...... I hate to get painted into a corner and be forced to pick soley out of need....that is where you get your busts I agree, but think that there are three high quality OT prospects in this draft and it may very well be that they will be taken by 11, but I have a hunch one of them will slip through. If none of them is available I'd say go for the best defensive lineman available...and while I would grab Ayers, I can see plenty of good arguments for a couple of others at 11...in such a case we'd get us a second tier OT at 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The Bills will draft Ayers if he's available at #11. Someone close to Skooby told him... And Skooby made it up based on a majic 8 ball and an 8 ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The Bills will draft Ayers if he's available at #11. That is my gut feeling too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 That is my gut feeling too I hope - no, I pray - that you're both wrong. It blows my mind that three sacks turns into a stout NFL pass rusher according to some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I hope - no, I pray - that you're both wrong. It blows my mind that three sacks turns into a stout NFL pass rusher according to some people. Well you know that I agree with you on Ayers, Leo-Mac. But to play Devil's Advocate, because there's so much speculation as to why he's made this meteoric rise, I think the number that turns people's heads on Ayers is the 15.5 TFLs as a Senior. At least that shows that he's got some playmaking ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Well you know that I agree with you on Ayers, Leo-Mac. But to play Devil's Advocate, because there's so much speculation as to why he's made this meteoric rise, I think the number that turns people's heads on Ayers is the 15.5 TFLs as a Senior. At least that shows that he's got some playmaking ability. Yeah, I hear that. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on this guy at #28. But to grab a guy with 3 sacks at #11 just seems so irresponsible. And I know playing in the SEC he played the best (while a guy like Sidbury certainly didn't), we desperately need a guy to get to the QB. I know you're not a big Orakpo fan, but playing at Texas he played against the best, he had a sick Combine, and he's freakish in the weight room. He's not Vernon Gholston; he'll play with his hand down. None of this dropping into coverage crap. "Go get the QB, Brian." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Yeah, I hear that. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on this guy at #28. But to grab a guy with 3 sacks at #11 just seems so irresponsible. And I know playing in the SEC he played the best (while a guy like Sidbury certainly didn't), we desperately need a guy to get to the QB. I know you're not a big Orakpo fan, but playing at Texas he played against the best, he had a sick Combine, and he's freakish in the weight room. He's not Vernon Gholston; he'll play with his hand down. None of this dropping into coverage crap. "Go get the QB, Brian." And if he can do just that, I'll gladly eat crow at every meal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 You cannot judge prospects solely on statistical numbers. That is ridiculous, and will not give you good results, plain and simple. If it worked that way, then Pettigrew shouldn't be anywhere near the first round, Jerry Hughes from TCU should be the first DE taken since he led the nation in sacks, Laurinites should be taken before Curry due to the numbers, etc, etc. Judging Ayers on his sack numbers alone is a copout. Quoted for truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 You guys saying we need a tackle, I don't get it. Our situations at guard and d-end are much worse off than OT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 You cannot judge prospects solely on statistical numbers. That is ridiculous, and will not give you good results, plain and simple. If it worked that way, then Pettigrew shouldn't be anywhere near the first round, Jerry Hughes from TCU should be the first DE taken since he led the nation in sacks, Laurinites should be taken before Curry due to the numbers, etc, etc. Judging Ayers on his sack numbers alone is a copout. That doesn't make any sense. Of course sack numbers aren't the only thing, but three??? His production declined after his sub-par 4-sack junior season. Who was the last first day DE to actually have his sack total increase after leaving college??? His would have to increase four-fold to make him worth the #11 overall pick. So no, it's not the only thing, but to ignore it completely is foolish and will contribute to more playoff-less years in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 You cannot judge prospects solely on statistical numbers. That is ridiculous, and will not give you good results, plain and simple. If it worked that way, then Pettigrew shouldn't be anywhere near the first round, Jerry Hughes from TCU should be the first DE taken since he led the nation in sacks, Laurinites should be taken before Curry due to the numbers, etc, etc. Judging Ayers on his sack numbers alone is a copout. YES.There are lies ,damn lies,and statistics...........but 3 SACKS???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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