NanaAnna Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 It's the most mobile/fastest QB in the NFL........Mr. Michael Vick. The slowest and the fastest Qb's in the NFL share something...go figure! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Yeah, but I bet there is a big difference in net rushing numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 It's the most mobile/fastest QB in the NFL........Mr. Michael Vick. The slowest and the fastest Qb's in the NFL share something...go figure! LOL 76550[/snapback] [/quYEA like I said before runnig Q.B,s are OVERRATED..why do you think there running??ote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 It's the most mobile/fastest QB in the NFL........Mr. Michael Vick. The slowest and the fastest Qb's in the NFL share something...go figure! LOL 76550[/snapback] Too friggin' hilarious! That destroys a LOT of people's beliefs right there. Ah but wait, IT'S NOT VICK'S FAULT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Yeah, but I bet there is a big difference in net rushing numbers 76556[/snapback] There wouldn't be if there wasn't a holding call last week on Bledsoe's big 11-yard scamper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 It's the most mobile/fastest QB in the NFL........Mr. Michael Vick. The slowest and the fastest Qb's in the NFL share something...go figure! LOL 76550[/snapback] when a qb runs out of bounds BEHIND the line of scrimmage that is a sack as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 when a qb runs out of bounds BEHIND the line of scrimmage that is a sack as well. 76611[/snapback] Stupidest thing in the world, to me. You're running towards the sideline, and at that point you can throw the ball away. WHY would you run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage without GETTING RID OF THE BALL? And yet they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Yes and we can go back to even last year where the 2nd most sacked qb in the nfl was Donovan Mcnabb. Vicks running has caused him to seperate both his shoulders, break his leg and have countless other minor injuries since 2002. It's all well and good to have mobility, but running quaterbacks are useless. The only time a quaterback should run is if everything breaks down. The most important aspect to the qb position is to be able to stand in the pocket scan the field for a receiver and be able to hit on of your options with accuracy without making them stop and turn around. This is something Mike Vick can't do, so his big rocket arm becomes useless. Give me a qb who has pocket awarness and can pick you apart with his arm while moving down the field anyday over a qb who will get you a nice run here or there. This is why guys like Brady,Manning,Favre,Pennington, Warner etc will always be more sucesfful than your Mike Vicks and your Donovan Mcnabbs. BTW before anyone gets started this isn't a bias against black qb's cause I happen to like Mcnair, Aaron brooks and was a big warren moon fan, but running qb's who don't have pocket awarness just aren't going to win in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Here's a fun game, pick which stats belong to Bledsoe and which belong to Vick. Sacks - 20 Yards lost - 109 Fumbles - 8 Fumbles lost - 5 Passing TDs - 4 INTs - 4 Completion% - 53.5 Rating - 77.3 Sacks - 20 Yards lost - 133 Fumbles - 2 Fumbles lost - 2 Passing TDs - 6 INTs - 3 Completion% - 57.7 Rating - 86.2 Keeping in mind that Vick has played 6 games to Bledsoe's 5..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Here's a fun game, pick which stats belong to Bledsoe and which belong to Vick. Sacks - 20 Yards lost - 109 Fumbles - 8 Fumbles lost - 5 Passing TDs - 4 INTs - 4 Completion% - 53.5 Rating - 77.3 Sacks - 20 Yards lost - 133 Fumbles - 2 Fumbles lost - 2 Passing TDs - 6 INTs - 3 Completion% - 57.7 Rating - 86.2 Keeping in mind that Vick has played 6 games to Bledsoe's 5..... 76812[/snapback] I'm not going to praise Vick's overall performance this year...but what isn't in those numbers is who has come up big at the end of games to win the game for his team? Vick has played some stinkers this year only to put on a show in the 4th quarter and get it done, which is a big reason why his team is 4-1. Bledsoe hasn't played poorly this year, but I want a guy that can lead his team to a game winning FG when there are only 55 seconds on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 WHY would you run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage without GETTING RID OF THE BALL? Throwing the ball requires slowing down if running & often putting yourself in an awkward position. If you had a 250-300 Lb mean dude chasing you & you had the choice of nonchalantly stepping OB & taking a 1 or 2 yd loss or subjecting yourself to a vicious hit in most instances I'd bet you'd take the sack. In this case, discresion is the better part of valor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I'm not going to praise Vick's overall performance this year...but what isn't in those numbers is who has come up big at the end of games to win the game for his team? Vick has played some stinkers this year only to put on a show in the 4th quarter and get it done, which is a big reason why his team is 4-1. Bledsoe hasn't played poorly this year, but I want a guy that can lead his team to a game winning FG when there are only 55 seconds on the clock. 76828[/snapback] Bledsoe's passing numbers are better than Vicks in the 4th Qrt this year. Bledsoe 99 Qb rating to Vicks 91 Bledsoe's 3 Td's and 1 Int to Vicks 1 Td and 1 Int. Where Vick is getting it done is his legs. His 4th Qrt numbers with regard to rushing stick out. He has 22 rushes for 139 yards, which is just about half of all his rushing yards have come in the 4th Qrt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 when a qb runs out of bounds BEHIND the line of scrimmage that is a sack as well. Ha! Our old friend RJ did that quite a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Ha! Our old friend RJ did that quite a bit! 76864[/snapback] Mike Vick= RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLS4LIFE Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Whatever. If I had a choice between just Vick and Bledsoe,Id pick Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Too friggin' hilarious! That destroys a LOT of people's beliefs right there. Ah but wait, IT'S NOT VICK'S FAULT. 76571[/snapback] Is it counted as a sack if Vick scrambles for a 15 yard gain before being tackled? If so I'll take that sack any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Stupidest thing in the world, to me. You're running towards the sideline, and at that point you can throw the ball away. WHY would you run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage without GETTING RID OF THE BALL? And yet they do it. 76615[/snapback] Yeah, everybody including Bledsoe knows that's what you do on 4th down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Too friggin' hilarious! That destroys a LOT of people's beliefs right there. Ah but wait, IT'S NOT VICK'S FAULT. 76571[/snapback] Yeah, Bledsoe is better than Vick. The Falcons should trade him. Or just cut him. Vick sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Yeah, but I bet there is a big difference in net rushing numbers 76556[/snapback] Obviously you didn't see Drew's 11 yard scamper that got called back after the mysterioso holding call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Is it counted as a sack if Vick scrambles for a 15 yard gain before being tackled? If so I'll take that sack any day. 77039[/snapback] Is this a serious question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Yeah, Bledsoe is better than Vick. The Falcons should trade him. Or just cut him. Vick sucks. 77056[/snapback] You mean "overrated." But while we're at it, why would the fastest QB in the NFL, and maybe one of the fastest men in the NFL, get sacked as much as someone as slow as Bledsoe? Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Is it counted as a sack if Vick scrambles for a 15 yard gain before being tackled? If so I'll take that sack any day. 77039[/snapback] It is counted as a sack 15 yards downfield if they ice the puck first.....you can't be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 This is why guys like Brady,Manning,Favre,Pennington, Warner etc will always be more sucesfful than your Mike Vicks and your Donovan Mcnabbs. BTW before anyone gets started this isn't a bias against black qb's cause I happen to like Mcnair, Aaron brooks and was a big warren moon fan, but running qb's who don't have pocket awarness just aren't going to win in this league. 76620[/snapback] Yeah, and culpepper didn't start REALLY kicking ass until he learned to stay in the pocket. Now look at him - he's amazing. Although, teams do have to play him differently because he's mobile. The mere threat of that is important. Drew doesn't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 You mean "overrated." But while we're at it, why would the fastest QB in the NFL, and maybe one of the fastest men in the NFL, get sacked as much as someone as slow as Bledsoe? Makes you wonder, doesn't it? 77096[/snapback] It's exactly because of his speed and his elusiveness that makes him more prone for sacks. Why? Because he'll hang in the pocket and think that he can just scramble himself out of trouble if nothing develops downfield. Sometimes it works out for him and a receiver will get open or he'll find some room to scramble and get positive yards. Other times, he'll get boxed in and will be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The Falcons will never win a Championship if Vick keeps playing the way he does. He is trying to be a one man offense. He is a QB not a RB. ONe day he is going to take off running and some Linebacker is going to wipe him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 lets see...2 QB's at the top of the sacks list....what could they possibly have in common......hmmmmm......oh yeah, peerless price is a useless piece of stevestojan for both of them! It's the most mobile/fastest QB in the NFL........Mr. Michael Vick. The slowest and the fastest Qb's in the NFL share something...go figure! LOL 76550[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 lets see...2 QB's at the top of the sacks list....what could they possibly have in common......hmmmmm......oh yeah, peerless price is a useless piece of stevestojan for both of them! 77281[/snapback] Forgot about that, Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The only stat that matters: Atlanta Falcons 5-1 Buffalo Bills 1-4 Prove me wrong, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The only stat that matters: Atlanta Falcons 5-1 Buffalo Bills 1-4 Prove me wrong, folks. 77300[/snapback] Does that mean that every single Falcons player is better than every Bills player, just quarterbacks, just starting quaterbacks, front office, what? Next year, maybe the Bills should only draft players from an undefeated team in Division 3, after all the team's record is the only stat that matters. I'm glad football analysis became so simple - I used to try and look at players objectively and determine their strengths and weaknesses taking into consideration the players they play with or compete against. I even had a few good discussions on this board about some Bills. All I really needed to know was the Teams won-loss record and everything else is mute. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The only stat that matters: Atlanta Falcons 5-1 Buffalo Bills 1-4 Prove me wrong, folks. 77300[/snapback] Again, wins and losses are TEAM stats. Prove THAT wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 All I really needed to know was the Teams won-loss record and everything else is mute. Thanks. 77428[/snapback] Actually all you needed to know what that it's just the QB that wins and loses. I mean, Doug Flutie "just won," until he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 It's exactly because of his speed and his elusiveness that makes him more prone for sacks. Why? Because he'll hang in the pocket and think that he can just scramble himself out of trouble if nothing develops downfield. Sometimes it works out for him and a receiver will get open or he'll find some room to scramble and get positive yards. Other times, he'll get boxed in and will be sacked. 77225[/snapback] I was listening to an ESPN blurb on the radio with Michael Irvin, and he said that Vick needed a better O-line. Maybe he also needs Peerless to step-up? Or a more consistent running game. Sound familiar? And Vick can NOT afford to take the pounding that Bledsoe can and has, and even when scrambling he's a risk to injure himself. So he probably needs a strong O-line as well, even though he's mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyebrian Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Stupidest thing in the world, to me. You're running towards the sideline, and at that point you can throw the ball away. WHY would you run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage without GETTING RID OF THE BALL? And yet they do it. 76615[/snapback] That was RJ's patented move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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