PromoTheRobot Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Beli-cheat taping signals since 2000 Walsh’s tapes show that the Patriots recorded the signals of offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns and the San Diego Chargers and against the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 American Football Conference championship game. In that game, the tape has been edited to show Steelers coaches signaling plays, followed by two different camera angles of the actual plays that were called. Based on a win-loss tally from games after the ones on tapes provided by Walsh, the Patriots went 9-6 against the Dolphins after the first taping. They also went 12-1 against the Bills, 3-0 against the Browns, 4-1 against the Steelers and 3-1 against the Chargers. This included three victories and no defeats in the playoffs. Can you remember how the Pats seemed to almost know what plays the Bills ran before they ran them? Turns out they did. Curiously, the infamous Rams walk-thru was not one o the tapes turned over. I guess part of the deal between Walsh and the NFL was he had to eat that tape. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 lets see...proof of the pats* cheating in 2000-2002, and proof of them cheating in 2007. To me, that says they were cheating the entire time, thus nullifying their 3 SB titles. it also calls into question brady's "big game clutch" ability as a QB. I'm sure its much easier to read the defense and make the proper reads when you know exactly where the opposition is lined and where they are going to be covering. dynasty my ass. nothing but a bunch of cheaters. i say strip them of the super bowl titles and ban belicheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Friggin beautiful ... A mockery of the rest of the league it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Didn't we already know that they taped defensive signals?? Without a tape of the walkthrough, nothing else is going to happen. Goodell already punished them for taping defensive signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 GOTCHA!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TavernontheTracks Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 if Billy boy has a scrap of integrity he will apoligize to all football fans, resign and disapear what a disgrace, I really want blood now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 8, 2008 Author Share Posted May 8, 2008 Didn't we already know that they taped defensive signals?? Without a tape of the walkthrough, nothing else is going to happen. Goodell already punished them for taping defensive signals. They will be punished further because these tapes show taping goes back to 2000. They were fined and lost the draft pick for taping in 2007 and 2006 only. Expect another lost draft pick, maybe two, and another fine, but no suspension of Billy Beli-cheat. Just because there's no Rams walk-through doesn't mean it didn't happen, imo. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I hate the Pats as much as the next guy, but I just don't think this is that big of a deal. Teams can videotape other team's signals, just not from the field. So they did it directly from the field. Is that really that much different than just zooming in from the press box? They broke the rules. They should definitely be punished, but to say this is the reason the Bills can never beat them is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 this is a head scratcher. The league already knew they were cheating since 2000, so is this new evidence, or just confirmation of what they already knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Didn't we already know that they taped defensive signals?? Without a tape of the walkthrough, nothing else is going to happen. Goodell already punished them for taping defensive signals. These new tapes showed cheatriots also taped offensive signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Voice Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 These new tapes showed cheatriots also taped offensive signals. Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 lets see...proof of the pats* cheating in 2000-2002, and proof of them cheating in 2007. To me, that says they were cheating the entire time, thus nullifying their 3 SB titles. it also calls into question brady's "big game clutch" ability as a QB. I'm sure its much easier to read the defense and make the proper reads when you know exactly where the opposition is lined and where they are going to be covering. dynasty my ass. nothing but a bunch of cheaters. i say strip them of the super bowl titles and ban belicheat. no. lets send them all to africa where they will pull the mr mcgregg (simpson's ref) scene from last king of scottland. after that i will go on a million steroids campaign and chest kick them all to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 They will be punished further because these tapes show taping goes back to 2000. They were fined and lost the draft pick for taping in 2007 and 2006 only. Expect another lost draft pick, maybe two, and another fine, but no suspension of Billy Beli-cheat. Just because there's no Rams walk-through doesn't mean it didn't happen, imo. PTR Since these tapings occurred before the Commish's clarifying memo I wonder if he's going to cut them a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I hate the Pats as much as the next guy, but I just don't think this is that big of a deal. Teams can videotape other team's signals, just not from the field. So they did it directly from the field. Is that really that much different than just zooming in from the press box? They broke the rules. They should definitely be punished, but to say this is the reason the Bills can never beat them is stupid. I was under the impression that taping the sidelines was an absolute no-no, no matter where the cameraman was located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I hate the Pats as much as the next guy, but I just don't think this is that big of a deal. Teams can videotape other team's signals, just not from the field. So they did it directly from the field. Is that really that much different than just zooming in from the press box? They broke the rules. They should definitely be punished, but to say this is the reason the Bills can never beat them is stupid. Obviously there is some advantage to taping on the field versus a press box, otherwise the rule wouldn't make a distinction. And I won't claim that this helped them beat the Bills, but it sure nullifies those 3-point last-second SB wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 12-1 against the Bills over how many years and how many different head coaches? Solid work NYT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Can you remember how the Pats seemed to almost know what plays the Bills ran before they ran them? Turns out they did.... PTR Every team in the NFL knew what the Bills were going to run, the fans knew what the Bills were going to run. Besides the Bills signal in their offensive plays via the headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I was under the impression that taping the sidelines was an absolute no-no, no matter where the cameraman was located. I think it's just taping from the field. How are you going to stop someone from taping from a box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Bill Bellichick: Banishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I think it's just taping from the field. How are you going to stop someone from taping from a box? I swore I read that a couple times when the story first broke, so I did a Google search for 'Patriots taping sidelines memo' and that brings up a ton of results. This is the first result, and is from the NYT around the time the original story broke: (LINK) N.F.L. policy prohibits videotaping opposing coaches giving signals. Last year, the N.F.L.’s executive vice president of football operations, Ray Anderson, sent a memo to teams reminding them of the rule. The memo is believed to have been generated in part by suspicions that the Patriots had videotaped coaches at several games last season. It looks like it was against NFL policy to tape the sidelines/coaching signals from anywhere in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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