jester43 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 http://www.buffalonews.com/102/story/40774.html?imw=Y utterly disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i could do without unions. but ive got nothing but respect for all teachers. and seeing the schools down here in GA, as opposed to Buffalo, be glad for the teacher's unions up there. without them, you get the worst level of horrible teachers. i still hand it to them though. ive seen the Atlanta Public Schools. i wouldnt even set foot in one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Yeah. All the teacher-haters must be thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 and had she initiated the attack her career would be over and she would be in Attica now. I'm sure the 17 year will be described as 'a troubled teen'. Put him on his knees and put a .45 slug in the back of his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Not that I'm a big fan of litigation, but she should turn around sue the sh-- out of the school district for insufficent parking, which obviously put her in a position where her well-being was in danger. She'll make out a hell of alot better with the suit then with the workers comp claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I feel really bad for her, but I think there is something pretty important to consider here. She was not assaulted while she was at work, but rather while she was on her way to work. Worker's Comp covers you for injuries incurred while at work. If I broke my leg in the parking ramp at work I could not file a workers comp claim. I could sue the garage owner, but workers comp would surely be denied. While this situation sucks, the liability for her injuries lies with the person who assualted her not the state government. Oh, and I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with the teacher's union? She is still being paid, she is using accumulated sick time. Isn't this why sick days are able to be accumulated? Her health insurance is covering her medical expenses. The only real "loss" here (in relation to the Worker's comp situation, no the obvious emotional and physical pain) is that she is being forced to use sick days instead of being paid and being able to keep the sick days to cash in when she retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I feel really bad for her, but I think there is something pretty important to consider here. She was not assaulted while she was at work, but rather while she was on her way to work. Worker's Comp covers you for injuries incurred while at work. If I broke my leg in the parking ramp at work I could not file a workers comp claim. I could sue the garage owner, but workers comp would surely be denied. While this situation sucks, the liability for her injuries lies with the person who assualted her not the state government. Oh, and I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with the teacher's union? She is still being paid, she is using accumulated sick time. Isn't this why sick days are able to be accumulated? Her health insurance is covering her medical expenses. The only real "loss" here (in relation to the Worker's comp situation, no the obvious emotional and physical pain) is that she is being forced to use sick days instead of being paid and being able to keep the sick days to cash in when she retires. There is some gray areas though. Teachers dont punch a clock ( I believe). They work at home to create lesson plans, they go to pupils houses to tutor, and so on. I would think anyone arguing her case will use this and any past history of her work to prove these things. Still a tough call, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Soland Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Yeah. All the teacher-haters must be thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 There is some gray areas though. Teachers dont punch a clock ( I believe). They work at home to create lesson plans, they go to pupils houses to tutor, and so on. I would think anyone arguing her case will use this and any past history of her work to prove these things. Still a tough call, though. I don't punch a clock either and OFTEN work at home after putting in a day at the office. Again I mean no disrespect to the teacher, but what if she was assualted on a Metro bus on her way to school? Would we be expecting workman's comp for that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I know this is really controversial in some circles but just as California needs New York's cell phone law, New York needs California's Three Strikes law. I realize New York is in shaky financial times but the street crime has gotten past the point where people need to be their own police force. Three Strikes isn't perfect but it helps as a deterrent. I also support the teachers. And the cops. Talk about important, gutsy, underpaid and underappreciated professionals. What I find so impressive is that this teacher still wants to teach at Grover. People scream and holler about opportunity. But what about the opportunities that are currently available and currently squandered (publicly funded education, teachers, textbooks)? Quit making babies you can't afford, start using your libraries and quit making excuses. I need a Red Bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 What's your point. Where I work in downtown Buffalo, everyone parks off site and walks one or more blocks to their building. If any of us got assulted, would that be the employers fault?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I don't punch a clock either and OFTEN work at home after putting in a day at the office. Again I mean no disrespect to the teacher, but what if she was assualted on a Metro bus on her way to school? Would we be expecting workman's comp for that as well? Like I said, tough call. Workmans Comp laws are different in each state. Some company's are their own carrier in that insurance. For instance, and giggles and grins. If she rode that bus for 20 years, that same bus, to and from work. Even sitting next to one of her pupils on that bus, tutoring him/her, and got assaulted. Lots of ifs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i don't want to be a prick or anything, but let me play devils advocate for a minute...If, when I worked in the stores at Circuit City, I was working Black Friday and was instructed that we were to park in the overflow lot of the adjacent shopping mall, we were in no way shape or form connected to the shopping mall, to allow customer use of the CC parking lot. Lets assume, I park in the mall lot, get out of my car heading to the store for my shift. As I lock my door a disgruntled Best Buy customer(you know how bad BB customers can be), or for argument sake, one of our customers comes over and starts wailing on me because he/she found out that CC did not have any of those 19.00 DVD players that everyone wanted. My injuries prevenet me from working and cause me to be out with injuries for a lengthy period. Would you consider my injuries workers comp? I wasnt on the clock, or even on CC property... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Insurance laws are not based on how sensational a story is in a newspaper. You cannot bend the rules for one person because you will never be able to cross back over that line. That being said, this is a horrible story and I hope she recovers and can teach again. I would imagine her health insurance is provided by the state and also Disability Insurance. As far as having to use her sick days, nearly every employer would require this in order for Disability Insurance to kick in. Did the Union ever address these dangerous parking situations for their members? If not, perhaps they should be held liable. Sue the Union. By the way, my dad has been a public school teacher for over 30 years, so I am certainly not a teacher-hating neanderthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i don't want to be a prick or anything, but let me play devils advocate for a minute...If, when I worked in the stores at Circuit City, I was working Black Friday and was instructed that we were to park in the overflow lot of the adjacent shopping mall, we were in no way shape or form connected to the shopping mall, to allow customer use of the CC parking lot. Lets assume, I park in the mall lot, get out of my car heading to the store for my shift. As I lock my door a disgruntled Best Buy customer(you know how bad BB customers can be), or for argument sake, one of our customers comes over and starts wailing on me because he/she found out that CC did not have any of those 19.00 DVD players that everyone wanted. My injuries prevenet me from working and cause me to be out with injuries for a lengthy period. Would you consider my injuries workers comp? I wasnt on the clock, or even on CC property... One thing you must understand about insurance is that there is no gray area. There is virtually no situation that has not been battled out in court. If you are not injured while at work or on work property, it does not fall under workers comp. I'm not speaking to the fairness of this, simply the law. There is a reason an insurance application is so damn long, lawyers have been amending them for years after a loophole is discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Where were the union toughs to protect her, eh? I'm married to a teacher. Only thing that union's good for is sheltering older teachers who've mailed it in and protecting tenure. That's it. Otherwise it does nothing for us as a member and spouse outside of threatening a strike every 5 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Where were the union toughs to protect her, eh? I'm married to a teacher. Only thing that union's good for is sheltering older teachers who've mailed it in and protecting tenure. That's it. Otherwise it does nothing for us as a member and spouse outside of threatening a strike every 5 years or so. You should waive her health insurance and other union won benefits if the union is so bad. Wait, I forgot......you like illegal aliens when they are out of your neighborhood and you are a libertatian who endorses government bans. Never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 and had she initiated the attack her career would be over and she would be in Attica now. I'm sure the 17 year will be described as 'a troubled teen'. Put him on his knees and put a .45 slug in the back of his head. completely agreed. start sending a message to these little !@#$s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 She's a member of the Buffalo Teachers Federation. This isn't exactly an example to engender pro-union feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Interesting how the anger is directed toward the school and its lack of union presence. My first reaction was anger towards the neanderthal that assaulted her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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