Git'er Done Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 How about Travis Henry? He plead no contest to a sexual charge with a 15 year old and was suspended for marijuana use after we traded him. Yep. I'm sure they could have gotten more for him in a trade if he didn't already have "2 strikes" against him. This is a perfect example of the critics of the Bills not knowing really knowing what's going on behind the scenes. At the time, the Bills couldn't come out and say "we're having a hard time getting good value for Travis Henry because he has failed 2 drug tests". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 What you said is about half of my point. My point is that people are getting all moral on Willis because of the 3 kids and the Buffalo stuff because of his lack of production. But, then the other group brings Marv in saying he wants players of high character. Obviously, Marv knows how to look the other way like the rest of us when a player is producing. To use Marv's words on character as an excuse as to why Marv should get rid of Willis is absurd. The only character Marv is looking for is football character, he doesn't judge players by how many unmarried kids they produce or if they say dumb things to the media. His closest friend in the NFL once said the infamous "get out of town" stuff to the media & Marv was not offended. Marv was the coach, not the GM. He had to coach the players he had (great players). Now, he's in a position to pick his "type" of players. And you make a good point. But the fact that Willis is more hype than substance definitely makes all this other crap off-the-field harder to take. And there is absolutely no way I can ever forgive that stupid "Bills should go to Toronto" comment, no matter how Willis' people try to spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 If WM had run like he did 2 years ago or even ran for 1200 yds this season there wouldn't be as much criticism of him on or OFF the field. If he put up LT stats, NO ONE would care how many kids he had with different women as they did balls he carried into the end zone; you know like those who didn't care how many kids Moulds was producing as long as he was producing on the field! Bingo. I wish this response could be pinned or appended to every WM character-related post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 i wish it could be pinned to every WM character related post too. so it could show what loudmouth, hotairred, hypocrites everyone can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Your just making all our past players look bad. Nope. They did that all by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 youre all children, grow up and get over yourselves. edit: if anyone knows anyone that works in local hospitals, ask around about how many times Jim Kelly's wife has come in after being choked or thrown down the stairs while pregnant.... I asked around. Couldn't come up with an exact number more than zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Who is for "banishing" him? He's just not worth top running back money until he performs like a top running back. The fact that he is an irresponsible a-hole has nothing to do with whether he can play. He gives a pro-bowl performance next year we'll negotiate. with him. Doesn't mean he isn't an a-hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 So, as explicitly evident by 90% of these responses here, you guys could care less if Willis said these things about Buffalo, if he were great on the field. Which, of course, means you're complete and utter hypocrites. What he said means zero to you, only his production. So why whine about it or criticize him about it one second? Unless, of course, you want to start defending the stance that people can be total azzholes as long as they are great players. That's some good dern thinkin'. Lets get T.O. here. Git 'er done, Marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 How does he compare ON THE FIELD with those guys? Oh yeah... that doesn't matter in this thread, does it? To all the people who want Willis out of town, did you also want the guys who formed the core of the 1990s teams gone too? Jim Kelly-Claimed to have cried when the Bills drafted him, had run-ins in bars (One example:the time he trew a drink at a woman), didn't originally sign with the team, complained in public to the media about his RT after a 1989 injury, his 1st child was born prior to his marriage. Bruce Smith-Suspended 4 games in 1988 for drug violation (presumed to be cocaine), fell asleep in his car because of "sleep apnea", almost never participated in any voluntary drills & did his best to avoid camp whenever possible, signed with Denver forcing the Bills to match that contract or lose him. Darryl Talley-Arrested for DWI while a Bill (I heard that the cop was going to let him go, but when the cop told him he would help get Darryl home, Darryl replied that instead he wanted to go to the policeman's house and have sex with the cop's wife, the cop then arrested him) Corneilius Bennett-Convicted of forceable sex with a woman after he left the Bills. Eric Moulds-Numerous children, allegedly attacked girlfriend including lifting her by the neck in the 1990s. and of course, a Bill from an earlier era: O.J. Simpson-did cocaine numerous times while an active member of the team and you all know what happened later. So, before you demand that Willis be banished because he isn't high enough character for Marv & the Bills, you better look at what the Bills have accepted in the past. The character Marv is looking for is in the lockerroom & on the field. Under your character standards, we wouldn't have fielded a competitive team in the 1990s. Players like Reich, Kelso & Tasker are the exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Lets get T.O. here. Git 'er done, Marv. What round pick do you think it would take. With Parcells gone my guess is a thrid would do it. I think he would accept being a #2 receiver behind Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 How does he compare ON THE FIELD with those guys? Oh yeah... that doesn't matter in this thread, does it? we were waiting for you to start spewing your crap in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Call it what you want but I for one won't allow former Bills greats to be compared to Willis in any way. we were waiting for you to start spewing your crap in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeBillsDrive Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 in the end, it all comes down to on-the-field production. plain and simple. Bottom line, yes. Willis has a lot of improvement to make in order to live up to his self-described reputation as the "best" RB in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 edit: if anyone knows anyone that works in local hospitals, ask around about how many times Jim Kelly's wife has come in after being choked or thrown down the stairs while pregnant.... Be careful, little fella, you're treading dangerous ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Be careful, little fella, you're treading dangerous ground. hey, thats what i was told back then by a couple of different nurses (independently of each other). but it also goes to show, even if its false(which i hope it is) that the fans have been coming up wth stupid crap to trash our star athletes with all the way back to those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I'm not defending all the stupid stuff those great Bills did off the field, in fact thats a whole different topic for another day But back to the original post, people don't want Willis out of here because he has bad qualities in his personal life, people just want him out of here because he is not a great running back and he is going to want too much money. Why is that so hard to understand? As far as trying to compare him to those other guys, here's the major difference...those guys wanted to win at all cost and always left everything on the field(except when they were too hungover in the Super Bowls), they loved to play football and played with passion. Willis on the other hand comes off as being very disinterested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 But back to the original post, people don't want Willis out of here because he has bad qualities in his personal life, people just want him out of here because he is not a great running back and he is going to want too much money. Why is that so hard to understand? Then all those folks (led by Jerry Sullivan & the WGR boys-the ones who really annoyed me on this issue) who use his off the field stuff as a reason for Marv to dump him for virtually nothing in return should not use his 3 kids or say they're offended because they feel he's disrespecting Buffalo as an excuse for their true feelings. They should just say what you said above and leave the 3 kids & the Toronto stuff out of it. Instead they use that stuff to demand that the Bills give Willis away. The dumbest ones are the "Waive Willis" crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Then all those folks (led by Jerry Sullivan & the WGR boys-the ones who really annoyed me on this issue) who use his off the field stuff as a reason for Marv to dump him for virtually nothing in return should not use his 3 kids or say they're offended because they feel he's disrespecting Buffalo as an excuse for their true feelings. They should just say what you said above and leave the 3 kids & the Toronto stuff out of it. Instead they use that stuff to demand that the Bills give Willis away. The dumbest ones are the "Waive Willis" crowd. I agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Be careful, little fella, you're treading dangerous ground. He's on the backpedal now. He heard from a friend of a friend so you know, he's not actually saying Kelly strangled his wife and threw her down the stairs multiple times. Brave soul spreading a horrid rumor like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I like Willis, people calling for him to be traded because they think they can read his mind and knows what he thinking are morons. I'm glad Marv pays zero attention to such blather. The only thing Willis needs is a very strong power back to call on in those 3rd and short situations, Willis is more of a shifty RB than the power North South runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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