John from Riverside Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I have seen Losman absolutely destroyed this past year by critics over: - Inaccurate throws - Supposid no pocket presense When you sit down and watch other QB's for once because your team is not longer in the playoffs.....I saw those other QB's make those exact same mistakes..... It really makes you wonder if people are just wanting something to B word about....I am not saying Losman didn't make mistakes...I am saying that other QB's that are supposed to be "better" making the exact same mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan888 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Brady through a horrible interception to the Chargers. Right to the linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 You got it. Fix the O-line and get him a better TE. Royal is a decent #2 TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Soland Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 In the NFL, you basically earn "get out of bad play" mulligans after you've hit some of the recognizable benchmarks: pro bowl, playoffs, SB appearances, etc. Losman will begin to get his share of this pie after next year when he leads this team into the playoffs. That's just the way it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I have seen Losman absolutely destroyed this past year by critics over: - Inaccurate throws - Supposid no pocket presense When you sit down and watch other QB's for once because your team is not longer in the playoffs.....I saw those other QB's make those exact same mistakes..... It really makes you wonder if people are just wanting something to B word about....I am not saying Losman didn't make mistakes...I am saying that other QB's that are supposed to be "better" making the exact same mistakes. Yeah.....I am still waiting for these "Superstar" QBs to be better than average so far in the Playoffs. Off the top of my head in the games played so far, I can't think of 1 FANTASTIC QB performance. Manning has been terrible for the most part, Brady did nothing to help his team beat SD the other day (that game is over if the CB doesn't fumble the ball after that INT), McNair looked washed up, etc. You could go on and on. If these are the QB performances it takes to get into and win Playoff games, we will be more than fine with Losman for the next 8-10 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I don't think any knock on Losman WRT accuracy holds any merit. His 1st yr of playing, yes, but not this year. All QBs are prone to being inaccurate when rushed. As for pocket presence, I think he's still deficient. Hopefully, that will improve w/ experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I think Rich Gannon made some great points about Losman in the regular season finale against the Ravens. The kid has grown by leaps and bounds from last year to this year. His accuracy has definitely improved, as he completed a nice 60+ percent of his passes this year. However, his accuracy could still stand to improve in terms of hitting his receivers in the exact location to get better after-the-catch yardage. I also think that his pocket presence is getting better -- and should improve even more with better protection. The real key for him will be how well he starts reading defenses next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan888 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 JP has thrown some extremely accurate passes this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 losman's early struggles made him an easy target for lazy "writers" who didn't bother to find out the whole story. As he continues to progress, someone else will become the east target, maybe Chris Simms or Gradkowski for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I have seen Losman absolutely destroyed this past year by critics over: I don't think Losman was attacked much as the season went on. Most of the national media has come around on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Football being the ultimate team game, it takes a good eye to know who is making who look better and who is making who look worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Losman is no Joe Montana- but if you break Montana down, he had no arm. You can pick apart any player you want- JP is a keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 One thing that's killed me about Losman this year is...as soon as he throws a bad pick, everybody starts in with the "he locks onto receivers" garbage. You know what? He does it once in a while. And guess what? Nearly every other quarterback does it, too. I've watched all of them do it this year. Brady, Manning, Favre, and whoever the hell else you want to name. Losman threw a few bad picks this year, but in all he didn't throw very many. I've seen some horrible throws from the best QBs as they stared down their receivers, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Football being the ultimate team game, it takes a good eye to know who is making who look better and who is making who look worse. well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 One thing that's killed me about Losman this year is...as soon as he throws a bad pick, everybody starts in with the "he locks onto receivers" garbage. You know what? He does it once in a while. And guess what? Nearly every other quarterback does it, too. I've watched all of them do it this year. Brady, Manning, Favre, and whoever the hell else you want to name. Losman threw a few bad picks this year, but in all he didn't throw very many. I've seen some horrible throws from the best QBs as they stared down their receivers, too. You're not kidding. Favre gift-wraps INTs with regularity, and has to an extent for his career. Fact is, once you've been branded a winner once, it takes an awful lot for people to believe that you're otherwise. Favre also had a penchant for making up for his mistakes and keeping his team in it despite them. Hopefully we can see that kind of progress from JP. Certainly some improvements to his supporting cast wouldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 In the NFL, you basically earn "get out of bad play" mulligans after you've hit some of the recognizable benchmarks: pro bowl, playoffs, SB appearances, etc. Losman will begin to get his share of this pie after next year when he leads this team into the playoffs. That's just the way it works. I think hits the nail right on the head. Peyton Manning has had two forgettable games in the playoffs (for his standards), yet is a win away from the Superbowl. Tom Brady had a bad game against San Diego and he's also a win away. Guys like this get a pass because of their resume. Losman got better as the year went on, so there were no more calls for a new QB and Jauron went as far as naming him the starter 9 months in advance of Opening Sunday. Those who still thought in December that the Bills should draft a QB aren't paying attention. If JP starts the 2007 season on fire, he'll get national attention and his crappy games will soon be thought of as an "off day". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike formerly from Florida Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 JP has thrown some extremely accurate passes this season. He has also thrown some extremely inaccurate throws. I'm a big JP fan, but if he can work on his consistently poor sideline throws (into the ground or over the heads) and get rid of the ball faster (or run when the opportunity rises) he will be a top 5 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If you look at the playoff #'s for Brady and Mannings they are dreadfull! I actually heard John Clayton talk about that this morning on ESPN and he said its due to the officials making calls on the DB's on the WR's with the bumps downfield. Now, when it comes to Losman and when he had those numbers, it was cause he sucked. But with Brady & Manning struggling its cause of the rules and refs....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I think the stupid thing here is not the analysis of a particular play or game withing which Losman (or some other player) screwed up, but it is the typical TSW or fam over-reaction of a desire to cut a player or throw him under the bus because of it. Such over-reactions simply make little sense in terms of team-building and player development. I actually think WM is the current example of the media and some fans current whipping boy. I think most agree that his play has been sporadically good at best. I think most people would agree that his attitude toward women is horrendous at best and he is just plain horrible, negligent and near criminal as a Dad. Most agree that his fiscal and team location management advice is not appreciated at all at best. However, all these things being said, the logical thing for the team to do given that he is under contract and his leverage to do something like a holdout is so low because he has failed to perform consistently is simply to stay the course. Playing in his FA season next year gives him as much financial incentive to perform as he can have and if he does perform like the elite RB he wants to be next year we would still be in the drivers seat regarding handling him because of the franchise tag. Losman sucked initially agreed, but wanting to cut him was silly. WM has sucked also in many ways, but wanting to cut him is also fairly silly. The team has far too many other needs for us to feel like we have the luxury of giving away our #1 RB in exchange for a speculative mid round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I think the stupid thing here is not the analysis of a particular play or game withing which Losman (or some other player) screwed up, but it is the typical TSW or fam over-reaction of a desire to cut a player or throw him under the bus because of it. Such over-reactions simply make little sense in terms of team-building and player development. I actually think WM is the current example of the media and some fans current whipping boy. I think most agree that his play has been sporadically good at best. I think most people would agree that his attitude toward women is horrendous at best and he is just plain horrible, negligent and near criminal as a Dad. Most agree that his fiscal and team location management advice is not appreciated at all at best. However, all these things being said, the logical thing for the team to do given that he is under contract and his leverage to do something like a holdout is so low because he has failed to perform consistently is simply to stay the course. Playing in his FA season next year gives him as much financial incentive to perform as he can have and if he does perform like the elite RB he wants to be next year we would still be in the drivers seat regarding handling him because of the franchise tag. Losman sucked initially agreed, but wanting to cut him was silly. WM has sucked also in many ways, but wanting to cut him is also fairly silly. The team has far too many other needs for us to feel like we have the luxury of giving away our #1 RB in exchange for a speculative mid round draft pick. nice post....I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I don't think Losman was attacked much as the season went on. Most of the national media has come around on him. The national media doesn't watch the Bills game...They look up the scoresheet after the game....They see those 95 yard or 2INT and 1 Fumble game and chalk him up as having had a bad game....(Mike Golic did that exactly during one of the weeks)....Later half of the season once Losman put on better #s, they started praising him again actually having not seen him. The comments from the local media is more meaningful because they actually get to watch the Bills games to make judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 The main problem with the local media though is that their sports reporting get so driven by them saying or writing stuff to merely attract ears or eyeballs to their column or show that one hesitates to use the word journalism to describe their latest screeds or lack of analysis. It would certainly be nice if one could get good information or a rational and somewhat balanced perspective on the Bills from the local media. its one thing to see their offerings when they come from us fans but really it is the media's job and they should answer to a higher standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis990 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Brady through a horrible interception to the Chargers. Right to the linebacker. Ben Watson admitted after the game he ran the wrong route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Ben Watson admitted after the game he ran the wrong route. I am quite sure he did.....but I am also quite sure that wideouts ran routes on JPL that didn't do him any favors..... Like the one Lee Evans ran in the end zone that was picked in the Ravens game where JPL ran the defender down...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prognastic Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So because Losman wasnt exactly horrible in the regular season, this means he could ramp it up in the playoffs against the top teams in the NFL? Delirious you are Reality you must find hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Brady through a horrible interception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So because Losman wasnt exactly horrible in the regular season, this means he could ramp it up in the playoffs against the top teams in the NFL?Delirious you are Reality you must find hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 You got it. Fix the O-line and get him a better TE. Royal is a decent #2 TE. Fix both lines. I don't think were going to get any better at TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Fix both lines. I don't think were going to get any better at TE. I think we should try to get Eric Johnson from the 49ers. He had a fantastic year in 2004 with 82 catches for 825 yards, didn't play in 2005 and this year he had more catches as a second TE (Vernon Davis) than Royal had as the starter for the Bills. He's a FA this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I think we should try to get Eric Johnson from the 49ers. He had a fantastic year in 2004 with 82 catches for 825 yards, didn't play in 2005 and this year he had more catches as a second TE (Vernon Davis) than Royal had as the starter for the Bills.He's a FA this year. The problem with Eric Johnson is that having played his career in the bay area, he will be reluctant to move to cold north. He will go to one of the west coast teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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