Denied entry to Bills Game WTF!

[reddogblitz]

I vaguely remember when one could walk into the stadium without a ticket after halftime...

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I got into an Akron Aero's (minor league baseball) game last summer like . My friends and I just walked in in the 9th inning and sat right behind home plate. It was awesome.

[taterhill]

A lawyer died and arrived at the pearly gates. To his dismay, there were thousands of people ahead of him in line to see St. Peter. To his surprise, St. Peter left his desk at the gate and came down the long line to where the laywer was, and greeted him warmly. Then St. Peter and one of his assistants took the lawyer by the hands and guided him up to the front of the line, and into a comfortable chair by his desk. The lawyer said, "I don't mind all this attention, but what makes me so special?"

 

St. Peter replied, "Well, I've added up all the hours for which you billed your clients, and by my calculation you must be about 193 years old!"

[Krazy Haze]

I vaguely remember when one could walk into the stadium without a ticket after halftime..

 

I was at the Houston comeback game. As I recall, several thousand left right after the

interception return for a touchdown early in the third. Many of them tried to get back in

during the fourth with no luck. Glad i wasn't one of them!

[EZC-Boston]

A lawyer died and arrived at the pearly gates. To his dismay, there were thousands of people ahead of him in line to see St. Peter. To his surprise, St. Peter left his desk at the gate and came down the long line to where the laywer was, and greeted him warmly. Then St. Peter and one of his assistants took the lawyer by the hands and guided him up to the front of the line, and into a comfortable chair by his desk. The lawyer said, "I don't mind all this attention, but what makes me so special?"

 

St. Peter replied, "Well, I've added up all the hours for which you billed your clients, and by my calculation you must be about 193 years old!"

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Tip the wait staff? Try the prime rib? Are you here all week?

[Fan in San Diego]

A lawyer died and arrived at the pearly gates. To his dismay, there were thousands of people ahead of him in line to see St. Peter. To his surprise, St. Peter left his desk at the gate and came down the long line to where the laywer was, and greeted him warmly. Then St. Peter and one of his assistants took the lawyer by the hands and guided him up to the front of the line, and into a comfortable chair by his desk. The lawyer said, "I don't mind all this attention, but what makes me so special?"

 

St. Peter replied, "Well, I've added up all the hours for which you billed your clients, and by my calculation you must be about 193 years old!"

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Good one ! I thought the punchline was " Congrats your the first lawyer to get into heaven !"

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You have yourself to blame!  Why show up soo late?  Makes no sense?  Why pay for the ticket to begin with? 

 

I dont blame security I blame you for not showing up on time. 

 

I mean if it was due to emergency or something then I apologize, but honestly I dont blame security for not letting you in after the or during the 3rd quarter.

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Wow!! What a response. I think you watch too much Dr.Phil.

 

This place can be unforgiving to fellow Bills fans sometimes when they are looking to vent their frustrations.

 

Sorry to hear how you were treated Hammered Alot......hopefully with Marv there instead of the devil...customer service will meet your expectations.

[Fires]

Sorry to hear about the runaround Hammer.. They weren't being good neighbors. I'm sure they'll make it up to you somehow. Maybe a nice gift certificate to the pro shop.

[Hammered a Lot]

Because this is the guy who watches your cars while you are enjoying the game. Hammer makes sure that his lot is safe and secure before he gets to the game.

 

Meanwhile, in the Bills lots, teenagers are popping locks and ripping off cars and then tossing half the stuff they get in the bushes cause they don't like what they got. We saw it last year, pathetic what these kids did. And we did see them prior to the game, just thought they were waiting to buy tickets. They kept wandering back to the hole in the fence and returning to thier homes adjacent to the parking lot. Later after the game, a string of stolen goods from at least 5 cars that we knew of, were found scattered along the same path.

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Sunday, we had a lady come up to us and said she found $$$ in one of our restrooms. She gave us a cell number if anyone came up to us and asked if anyone found some $$$. No one ever did ask about the $$$$ but it did sure feel nice that she wanted to do the right thing.

[ans4e64]

Sober and with Valid ticket in hand, I was denied enter Sunday. The gate staff gave me a run around sending me from gate3 to gate5 to gate 8 back to gate 5 over to customer service booth (nobody there) back over to gate 5. Finally after I had enough, I had to BEG for 3-5 minutes with one of the gate security personal to write down my name and 2 contact phone numbers to have proof that I was there. I will wait till Thursday of this week to see if the Bills contact me. 

 

I broke no stadium rules, and after calling the Bills this morning I found that I was lied to as I was told by gate staff (and yes I have staff shirt numbers ) that" By NFL RULES no one may enter the stadium after the end of the third quarter"          By looking at the Bills 2006 Stadium guide last page Expectations, the Bills failed at Friendly, Courteous,  KNOWLEDGEABLE, and Effecient game day staff.

Lets see if they will provide EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SATISFACTION or will I get stiffed $$$$$

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Im confused about the above in bold. Was it the staff that told you that and then that ended up not being the case? or is that the rule?

 

If they mixed up the rules then yes, you should be compensated. But if that is the rule, then it doesnt matter why you should be able to get in, or what excuse you have, the rule is the rule. This is understood before you buy a ticket, if you dont like the rule then take it up with management, but dont blame the staff for doing their job.

 

Again, I think you are implying that they told you that, and they were wrong, but just in case I had to give my 2 cents

[Hammered a Lot]

Leagally, (yes, I am a lawyer) having a ticket gives you no right of entry. It may be revoked at any time for any reason. For example, lets say you bought tickets to the best hypothetical concert of all time, a Pink Floyd reunion concert. You score front row tickets and a pass to hang-out with the band after the concert.

 

You bought two tickets for $5000 a full year in advance. You get to the concert, find your seats, are sufficiently stoned and ready for the best experience of your life. However, five minutes before the concert begins, the manager of the facility taps you on the shoulder and tell you that you have to leave because President Bush showed up and they are giving the preseident and the first lady your seats.

 

You are SOL!

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Thanks, you made my day!

[Hammered a Lot]

Im confused about the above in bold. Was it the staff that told you that and then that ended up not being the case? or is that the rule?

 

If they mixed up the rules then yes, you should be compensated. But if that is the rule, then it doesnt matter why you should be able to get in, or what excuse you have, the rule is the rule. This is understood before you buy a ticket, if you dont like the rule then take it up with management, but dont blame the staff for doing their job.

 

Again, I think you are implying that they told you that, and they were wrong, but just in case I had to give my 2 cents 

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The game day gate staff told me that (NFL Rule). I called the Bills and was told that there is no cut off time for entry to the stadium. I am wondering if having Bill and Hill at the game sort of screwed up the security staff. I wonder why the staff did not want to write down my name and phone number until I begged them many times to.

[Booster4324]

Leagally, (yes, I am a lawyer) having a ticket gives you no right of entry. It may be revoked at any time for any reason. For example, lets say you bought tickets to the best hypothetical concert of all time, a Pink Floyd reunion concert. You score front row tickets and a pass to hang-out with the band after the concert.

 

You bought two tickets for $5000 a full year in advance. You get to the concert, find your seats, are sufficiently stoned and ready for the best experience of your life. However, five minutes before the concert begins, the manager of the facility taps you on the shoulder and tell you that you have to leave because President Bush showed up and they are giving the preseident and the first lady your seats.

 

You are SOL!

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So are you claiming there would be no legal recourse in the above example? Lets leave out the stoned part (which could conceivably be used against you as you are essentially entering into a contract when you purchase a ticket) in your reply please sir.

[ans4e64]

The game day gate staff told me that (NFL Rule). I called the Bills and was told that there is no cut off time for entry to the stadium. I am wondering if having Bill and Hill at the game sort of screwed up the security staff. I wonder why the staff did not want to write down my name and phone number until I begged them many times to.

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Thats b.s., i would say i frequently attend games and that you wont attend based on how you were treated..... then ask for box seats lol

[slothrop]

So are you claiming there would be no legal recourse in the above example? Lets leave out the stoned part (which could conceivably be used against you as you are essentially entering into a contract when you purchase a ticket)  in your reply please sir.

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Correct - a ticket is what is legally called a license - and can be revoked at any time, barring any express contractual provision governing revocation.

[Booster4324]

Correct - a ticket is what is legally called a license - and can be revoked at any time, barring any express contractual provision governing revocation.

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Well just another example IMO of how messed up the legal world is. My friend who is a lawyer from a top 50 law school and has absolutely no expertise in this field disagrees. The sad part is you are probably right. I assume you know what recourse means and you realize that means that we have essentially no protection from essentially being robbed at will.

 

Thanks, but I wonder who crafted that fine piece of legislation? Which politician?And you know what they say about politicians...they are lawyers who lack the morals and ethics to stay the course.

 

Now with all that said, unless its explicitly spelled out somewhere in fine legalese which is readily available to the consumer, I think this is a a crock. What it essentially boils down to is customer service and the victim in this case was not only denied the service he paid for (attending the Bill's game) he was also led around by the nose and wasted more of his time by the employee's of the stadium not knowing the rules or failing to convey them adequately. In a case like this when he did the proper thing by making sure they should be able to contact him any competent customer service will at least compensate him somewhat.

 

Now with that said...dont hold your breath customer service sucks nowadays.

[slothrop]

Thanks, but I wonder who crafted that fine piece of legislation? Which politician?And you know what they say about politicians...they are lawyers who lack the morals and ethics to stay the course.

 

 

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The law governing licenses, and most property issues, is largely common law dating back to old (i.e. 1500's) English case law.

 

There are examples where the common law is codified and changed or adjusted. For example, ask your friend about the "fertile octegenarian" realating to the rule agains perpetuities. It is absurd and has been changed in most states (but not all).

[N.Y. Orangeman]

The law governing licenses, and most property issues, is largely common law dating back to old (i.e. 1500's) English case law.

 

There are examples where the common law is codified and changed or adjusted. For example, ask your friend about the "fertile octegenarian" realating to the rule agains perpetuities. It is absurd and has been changed in most states (but not all).

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You deserve a three day ban for bringing up fertile octagenarians and the rule against perpetuities on TSW. Booo!

[slothrop]

You deserve a three day ban for bringing up fertile octagenarians and the rule against perpetuities on TSW.  Booo!  

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Fair enough.

[MDH]

Correct - a ticket is what is legally called a license - and can be revoked at any time, barring any express contractual provision governing revocation.

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Most tickets have a disclaimer on the back saying that they can ask you to leave at any time for any reason(s), but I could have sworn that they were obligated to refund the ticket price.

[Hammered a Lot]

Most tickets have a disclaimer on the back saying that they can ask you to leave at any time for any reason(s), but I could have sworn that they were obligated to refund the ticket price.

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The printing is so small on my ticket you would need a microscope to be able to read it.

[stuckincincy]

The law governing licenses, and most property issues, is largely common law dating back to old (i.e. 1500's) English case law.

 

There are examples where the common law is codified and changed or adjusted. For example, ask your friend about the "fertile octegenarian" realating to the rule agains perpetuities. It is absurd and has been changed in most states (but not all).

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...I looked it up. What would Solomon say about that?

[slothrop]

...I looked it up. What would Solomon say about that?

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Now you have something fun to talk about at parties. You will get all the hot babes now.

 

If others want to ensure hot sex then you too must learn about the fertile octegenarian. Read this link

[Just Jack]

Most tickets have a disclaimer on the back saying that they can ask you to leave at any time for any reason(s), but I could have sworn that they were obligated to refund the ticket price.

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Here's what the back of one of my season tickets say.....

 

This ticket only grants entry into the stadium and a spectator seat for the specified NFL games. This ticket is a revocable license. The violation of any of the terms and conditions will automatically terminate this license. The Buffalo Bills reserve the right without refunding the face price of the ticket and applicable fees to revoke the license, the refuse admission, or eject any person who's conduct is deemed to be disorderly, who uses abusive language, fails to comply with these terms or any and all security measures. You and your belongs may be searched upon entry into the stadium, and prohibited items may be confiscated. By tendering this ticket and entering the stadium, you consent to such searches and waive any related claims that you might have against the NFL, its member clubs, its affiliates, or its agents. If you elect not to consent to these searches, you will be denied entry into the stadium. Cans, bottles and noisemakers are prohibited. Reentry into the stadium is prohibited. Tickets holders who hold a wheelchair-designated ticket must be physically challenged and using a wheelchair or be a designated companion.

 

The ticket holder assumes all risks incidental to the game or related events, including the risks of lost, stolen, or damaged property or personal injury and ticket holder hereby releases The Bills, the participating clubs, the National Football League, County Of Erie and their respective agents and employees for any liabilty therefore. The ticket holder will not transmit or aid in transmitting any picture, account or description (whether text, data, or visual) in any media now or hereafter existing of all or any part of the football game or related events. The ticket holder grants the NFL, The Bills and their designees the irrevocable permission to use his or her voice or likeness in any media now or hereafter existing in connection with all or any part of the football game or related events, for any purpose whatsoever, including the commercial purposes of the NFL, the Bills and their sponsers, licensees, advertisers, or broadcasters. All sales are final. This ticket can not be replaced if lost, stolen, destroyed or stolen. Lost, stolen, scalped, or counterfeit tickets may not be honored. This ticket may not be resold by an unlicensed vendor within 1,500 feet from the physical structure of of this place of entertainment under penalty of law. Any nonlicensed individual reselling this ticket by any method including without limitation, in person, or an auction web site, or otherwise over the internet, and any licensed individual or entity reselling this ticket in voilation of applicable law, is subject to arrest, legal action and loss of ticket privileges. This ticket may not be sold for more than 45% above the price printed on the face of this ticket. The ticket holder may not enter the football game or otherwise use this ticket for advertising, promotion or other commercial purposes (including contests, sweepstakes, and giveaways) without the NFL's and The Bills written consent.

 

The date and time of the game is subject to change by the NFL in accordance with its scheduling policies or as a result of other actions or events beyond the NFL's control. No refund will be provided if ticket holder can not attend.

[beausox]

It is post September 11, 2001. Anything out of the ordinary is suspect.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

The ticket holder will not transmitor aid in transmitting any picture, account or description (whether text, data, or visual) in any media now or hereafter existing of all or any part of the football game or related events.

...

Any nonlicensed individual reselling this ticket by any method including without limitation, in person, or an auction web site, or otherwise over the internet, and any licensed individual or entity reselling this ticket in voilation of applicable law, is subject to arrest, legal action and loss of ticket privileges.

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Great, so I can be arrested for taking pictures in the stadium and for selling tix on EBay...

[Just Jack]

Great, so I can be arrested for taking pictures in the stadium and for selling tix on EBay...

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And if you want to get specific, just writing about certain plays here or anyplace online can get you in trouble.

[stuckincincy]

Great, so I can be arrested for taking pictures in the stadium and for selling tix on EBay...

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Of course. You haven't struck a business deal to take images from an NFL game, and unauthorized resale of tix is a longstanding crime.

[Hammered a Lot]

Great, so I can be arrested for taking pictures in the stadium and for selling tix on EBay...

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All I want is my money back.

[Astrobot]

I do, however, have some pictures of my unborn NFL widow to show you.

[smokinandjokin]

All I want is my money back.

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Do they know about your parking operation? I read that you said you were late because you were tending to an employee who was ill...Did you let the Bills know this was the reason too? I wonder if they would be hesitant to give you your money back by alluding to the fact that you MAKE money off of their games. That would be crummy, but who knows what they'd stoop to.

[Hammered a Lot]

Do they know about your parking operation?  I read that you said you were late because you were tending to an employee who was ill...Did you let the Bills know this was the reason too?  I wonder if they would be hesitant to give you your money back by alluding to the fact that you MAKE money off of their games.  That would be crummy, but who knows what they'd stoop to.

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I have been in contact with the ticket office and will be dropping off a letter.

Yes they know about Hammer's Lot

Yes the gate personal know the reason why I wanted entry at the 4Qt which

should not matter.

I don't think it matters if I make money off them, they make money off me!

I pay property taxes to the town of Orchard Park do the Bills (est. cost to town

of Orchard Park per year $25,000 for Police) and I also pay for a parking permit.

By the why certain town officials get into the Bills game for free just by showing their I.D. More to come about that in the future.

[slothrop]

I do, however, have some pictures of my unborn NFL widow to show you.

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[Just Jack]

So where does the issue stand?

[Hammered a Lot]

So where does the issue stand?

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http://www.buffalobills.com/facility/Ralph...e.jsp#GatesOpen

 

Scroll down about 1/3 of page to Entrances. There is something new in bold letters.

 

The Bills customers service dept. has been in contact with me. It seems this is the very first time this situation has ever happened.

 

An agreement has beeen made on compensation and I am waiting for their call to complete the agreement on compensation.

[Just Jack]

An agreement has beeen made on compensation and I am waiting for their call to complete the agreement on compensation.

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Ralph is going to adopt you so he can pass the team onto you when he leaves?

[bills&bills]

Ralph is going to adopt you so he can pass the team onto you when he leaves?

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LOL.....that's a funiest thing I've heard all day.

[JLO]

Dont feel bad, same thing happened to me at the Chargers/Steelers game on Sunday night. They said my ticket had already been scanned. My buddy who paid for the tix and was sitting next to me got in. I went to the Customer Service office and one woman who worked there told me to leave, yes I had been drinking but i wasnt out of control. All I asked was to speak to someone about it and she threated to call the police. the sh------- thing is I couldnt call my buddy who was already inside because my cell phone died and I didnt have a charger with me, and in this day and age I dont memorize actual phone numbers anymore.

[In space no one can hear]

Ralph is going to adopt you so he can pass the team onto you when he leaves?

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I have a feeling he will be receiving a set of keys to Ralph's used Ford Taurus.

[BillsWatch]

Ralph is going to adopt you so he can pass the team onto you when he leaves?

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No they are just going to adppt his lot so that it can become an offical lot of the Buffalo Bills.

[Hammered a Lot]

No they are just going to adppt his lot so that it can become an offical lot of the Buffalo Bills.

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What do you think the $20 million that Uncle Georgie is giving Ralph is for!