John from Riverside Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 - The path that Donahoe and mgt was taking was NOT working....and didn't appear to be getting better with age - We had entirely too many malcontents on this team.....who may have been very talented but were dragging this team down in the shadows. We as fans sit there and wonder how in the world the team seemed to always fall apart at the worst moments.....I believe this is why. - Right or wrong this organization used precious draft choices on a rookie QB with a ton of potential but was rough around the edges.....this team needs to know if JPL is or is not the guy.....yes he needs to prove it in camp first but lets face it.....if KH (and the other QBs) are all playing at the SAME level then you have to go with JPL......KH is not going to get better and we dont know if JPL is (to me Knall is a complete unknown) - Some people hate the aquistions that the bills got in the offseason.....I absolutely loved them.....Tripplett, Reyes, Fowler.....these were guys that their teams and teamates thought highly of.......Bowen might be another special teams ace. We didnt' go after "NAME" players.....fine....as long as they get the job done......they can earn their name HERE....keep in mind that these players are not over the hill vets they are young ones - To me...one thing you can say about this team that you COULD NOT say about it in recent years is I can see the PLAN.....they know that they need to get this defense strong so that the offense can find its way and still have a chance to win games...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick in RaChaCha Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 The real test will be if Marv and Company can STICK to the plan when RW sticks his nose into it. -or- When the Fans and Media question every FA pick up and play call that goes wrong like Marv should have a crystal ball or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 No doubt that gettig rid of the Meathead outweighs any of the negatives... even if we take a step backward to move forward again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 - The path that Donahoe and mgt was taking was NOT working....and didn't appear to be getting better with age - We had entirely too many malcontents on this team.....who may have been very talented but were dragging this team down in the shadows. We as fans sit there and wonder how in the world the team seemed to always fall apart at the worst moments.....I believe this is why. - Right or wrong this organization used precious draft choices on a rookie QB with a ton of potential but was rough around the edges.....this team needs to know if JPL is or is not the guy.....yes he needs to prove it in camp first but lets face it.....if KH (and the other QBs) are all playing at the SAME level then you have to go with JPL......KH is not going to get better and we dont know if JPL is (to me Knall is a complete unknown) - Some people hate the aquistions that the bills got in the offseason.....I absolutely loved them.....Tripplett, Reyes, Fowler.....these were guys that their teams and teamates thought highly of.......Bowen might be another special teams ace. We didnt' go after "NAME" players.....fine....as long as they get the job done......they can earn their name HERE....keep in mind that these players are not over the hill vets they are young ones - To me...one thing you can say about this team that you COULD NOT say about it in recent years is I can see the PLAN.....they know that they need to get this defense strong so that the offense can find its way and still have a chance to win games...... 703477[/snapback] Great post John! One problem. You forgot to address the fact that we didnt "address" our o-line because we didnt spend 80 mil on hutch and bentley, and we didnt use our first 6 picks on offensive linemen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 - The path that Donahoe and mgt was taking was NOT working....and didn't appear to be getting better with age - We had entirely too many malcontents on this team.....who may have been very talented but were dragging this team down in the shadows. We as fans sit there and wonder how in the world the team seemed to always fall apart at the worst moments.....I believe this is why. - Right or wrong this organization used precious draft choices on a rookie QB with a ton of potential but was rough around the edges.....this team needs to know if JPL is or is not the guy.....yes he needs to prove it in camp first but lets face it.....if KH (and the other QBs) are all playing at the SAME level then you have to go with JPL......KH is not going to get better and we dont know if JPL is (to me Knall is a complete unknown) - Some people hate the aquistions that the bills got in the offseason.....I absolutely loved them.....Tripplett, Reyes, Fowler.....these were guys that their teams and teamates thought highly of.......Bowen might be another special teams ace. We didnt' go after "NAME" players.....fine....as long as they get the job done......they can earn their name HERE....keep in mind that these players are not over the hill vets they are young ones - To me...one thing you can say about this team that you COULD NOT say about it in recent years is I can see the PLAN.....they know that they need to get this defense strong so that the offense can find its way and still have a chance to win games...... 703477[/snapback] I agree 100%. TD always seemed to be more style over substance. He would make the flashy move that in time would turn out to be the flashy move. I love Marv's plan. Obviously, there will be some bumps along the way. But this team is younger and deeper than last years (I won't argue it's more talent, however time will tell). You don't become a winning team with a couple of superstars. The Bills got character guys and hopefully that will translate to chemistry, alla the Sabres. The key, however, is to stick to this plan. It may not show this year, but we're on the right path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Great post John! One problem. You forgot to address the fact that we didnt "address" our o-line because we didnt spend 80 mil on hutch and bentley, and we didnt use our first 6 picks on offensive linemen! 703489[/snapback] And you forgot to address the fact that our team sucks because we keep throwing away picks on little people. We have become something of a laughing stock, but don't let this stand in the way of your boring little one man crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 5, 2006 Author Share Posted June 5, 2006 And you forgot to address the fact that our team sucks because we keep throwing away picks on little people. We have become something of a laughing stock, but don't let this stand in the way of your boring little one man crusade. 703501[/snapback] I dont know if I would call John McCargo a "little person" He isn't the wooly mammoth NT like Sam Adams (not that Adams was great against the run anyway) but if he can play like Sapp it wont matter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 And you forgot to address the fact that our team sucks because we keep throwing away picks on little people. We have become something of a laughing stock, but don't let this stand in the way of your boring little one man crusade. 703501[/snapback] I think it'll be interesting to see how much of a grace period DJ & Marv get at the Ralph this year... I've got a feeling that any defensive shortcomings will be somewhat forgiven, but that continued shoddy play by the OL will make for a potentially very ugly scene. No excuses for Marv if the OL isn't significantly better. Granted, you can't fix everything in one year, but if you're trying to salvage the career of your young franchise QB, the OL should've been priority #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 And you forgot to address the fact that our team sucks because we keep throwing away picks on little people. We have become something of a laughing stock, but don't let this stand in the way of your boring little one man crusade. 703501[/snapback] Looks like somebody fancies big strapping farm-boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 I think it'll be interesting to see how much of a grace period DJ & Marv get at the Ralph this year... I've got a feeling that any defensive shortcomings will be somewhat forgiven, but that continued shoddy play by the OL will make for a potentially very ugly scene. No excuses for Marv if the OL isn't significantly better. Granted, you can't fix everything in one year, but if you're trying to salvage the career of your young franchise QB, the OL should've been priority #1. 703513[/snapback] Actually, when you step away from the board and look at the real world and talk to other bills fans not posting here, you will find that alot have hope for this team and can see the team being an improvement over last year. This seems to be the place were the doom and gloom clouds seem to hover over head and constantly believe there is only one way to build a sucessful football team, and Marv and DJ haven't done that (and never will) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 A post mentioning the words "Kool-Aid" in 5...4...3....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 A post mentioning the words "Kool-Aid" in 5...4...3....... 703543[/snapback] I miss DeeRay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I think it'll be interesting to see how much of a grace period DJ & Marv get at the Ralph this year... I've got a feeling that any defensive shortcomings will be somewhat forgiven, but that continued shoddy play by the OL will make for a potentially very ugly scene. No excuses for Marv if the OL isn't significantly better. Granted, you can't fix everything in one year, but if you're trying to salvage the career of your young franchise QB, the OL should've been priority #1. 703513[/snapback] From what I've noticed, a good number at TBD have decided that 3 days into the FA period was enough grace period for the new organization. Personally I expect to see improvement on the field by the end of the season. That doesn't necessarily mean more wins, just a more consistent effort & determination from the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 And you forgot to address the fact that our team sucks because we keep throwing away picks on little people. We have become something of a laughing stock, but don't let this stand in the way of your boring little one man crusade. 703501[/snapback] And this is somehow different than your one man "we didnt draft 8 o-linemen so our draft sucked!" crusade? I'd really like to see how your offense of 10 o-linemen and a QB does, since you hate "little people". I know we need a strong o-line to win, thats obvious. but we DID add some linemen this off-season, and the players we drafted are good players in positions that were needed. So if we get 4 starters out of this draft, it will still suck because we didnt draft linemen? As someone mentioned in a previous thread, football isnt 3 yards and a cloud of dust anymore. Its try and stop all of our WR's when we overload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 In order for those WRs to thrive, a dominant, pass-blocking offensive line is a virtual must. Teams that run wide open offenses - St. Louis, Indianpolis, Denver all boast offensive lines that are in the upper echelon in the league. Moreover, I think there's something to be said about drafting offensive linemen and bringing them into the systetm at an early stage in their career. As someone mentioned in a previous thread, football isnt 3 yards and a cloud of dust anymore. Its try and stop all of our WR's when we overload. 703789[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 In order for those WRs to thrive, a dominant, pass-blocking offensive line is a virtual must. Teams that run wide open offenses - St. Louis, Indianpolis, Denver all boast offensive lines that are in the upper echelon in the league. Moreover, I think there's something to be said about drafting offensive linemen and bringing them into the systetm at an early stage in their career. 703844[/snapback] While i understand the need for a solid o-line, can you explain how much 3 early o-line picks would have done for us this year and in the future? Where would they have started? Who would they have displaced off the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 6, 2006 Author Share Posted June 6, 2006 Perhaps the plan is to biuld the line through free agency and not wait for draft picks to develop? Gandy - does not need to be replaced LG - problem area....Reyes is a good pass blocker C - Fowler brought in to upgrade this position RG - Villy deserves a year to see if he still has it RT - Peters is an up and comer The line WAS addressed with pass blockers......it is my hope that next year they will continue to bring in more free agent vet OL men....to me this seems to be the plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Perhaps the plan is to biuld the line through free agency and not wait for draft picks to develop? Gandy - does not need to be replaced LG - problem area....Reyes is a good pass blocker C - Fowler brought in to upgrade this position RG - Villy deserves a year to see if he still has it RT - Peters is an up and comer The line WAS addressed with pass blockers......it is my hope that next year they will continue to bring in more free agent vet OL men....to me this seems to be the plan 704032[/snapback] I agree completely john. Thers nothing wrong with gandy at LT. Hes not spectacular, but hes not a liability. The only problem with Gandy is that his name isnt Pace, Ogden, or Jones. Also, by next season, even if villy hits the wall, isnt that what we have been developing preston for? Oh thats right, preston wasnt a high draft pick, so he automatically sucks. As for this years draft, in a few years, i think we'l be seeing peters and butler as our bookends. Peters-Reyes-Fowler-Preston-Butler to the SB in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Perhaps the plan is to biuld the line through free agency and not wait for draft picks to develop? Gandy - does not need to be replaced LG - problem area....Reyes is a good pass blocker C - Fowler brought in to upgrade this position RG - Villy deserves a year to see if he still has it RT - Peters is an up and comer The line WAS addressed with pass blockers......it is my hope that next year they will continue to bring in more free agent vet OL men....to me this seems to be the plan 704032[/snapback] Basically the same plan Donaho used hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 No doubt that gettig rid of the Meathead outweighs any of the negatives... even if we take a step backward to move forward again. 703481[/snapback] God Yes. Plus hiring Coordinators who have an actual plan is a nice change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 You be the judge. By the "NFL" numbers: TBD's "First String" LT Mike Gandy 6'4" 310 LG Tut Reyes 6'3" 310 C Mel Fowler 6'3" 295 RG Chris Villarrial 6'3" 318 RT Jason Peters 6'4" 328 AVERAGE 312 lbs Second String LT Matt Morgan 6'6" 304 LG Duke Preston 6'5" 311 C Justin Geisinger 6'3" 322 RG Jason Thomas 6'4" 325 RT Aaron (the "poor man's" Mike Williams) Gibson 6'7" 371 AVERAGE 326 lbs Third String LT Brad Butler 6'8" 292 LG Ben Anderson 6'5" 345 C Doughnut Hole 0'0" 0 RG Aaron Merz 6'4" 340 RT Greg Jerman 6'5" 310 AVERAGE 322 lbs RG in waiting Dylan McFarland 6'5" 290 RT in waiting Terrance Pennington 6'7" 319 AVERAGE 304 lbs XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Here's how they compare to the starters on several other teams you may have heard of: Pitter Patters First String LT Kaczur 6'4" 319 LG Mankins 6'3" 310 C Hochstein 6'4" 305 RG Neal 6'4" 305 RT Gorin 6'6" 308 AVERAGE 309 lbs Stealers First String LT Smith 6'5" 325 LG Faneca 6'5" 307 C Hartings 6'3" 299 RG Simmons 6'3" 319 RT Starks 6'8" 337 AVERAGE 317 lbs Cowgirls First String LT Marcus Price 6'4" 310 That name sounds familiar, doesn't it? LG Peterman 6'4" 323 C Johnson 6'5" 305 RG Rivera 6'4" 307 RT Petitti 6'6" 325 AVERAGE 314 lbs Denver Horseys First String LT Lepsis 6'4" 290 LG Hamilton 6'4" 283 C Nalen 6'3" 286 RG Carlisle 6'5" 295 RT Foster 6'5" 338 AVERAGE 298 lbs Dieami Felons First String LT McIntosh 6'4" 320 LG James 6'4" 320 C Hadnot 6'2" 325 RG Ephriam 6'4" 312 RT Carey 6'5" 335 AVERAGE 322 lbs J-E-S-T-S LT Jones 6'4" 296 LG Goodwin 6'3" 318 C Kendall 6'5" 280 RG Moore 6'3" 295 RT Gragg 6'8" 315 AVERAGE 300 lbs St. Louie Gooie's First String LT World Pace 6'7" 325 LG Terrell 6'2" 343 C McCollum 6'4" 300 RG Timmerman 6'4" 310 RT Barron 6'7" 320 AVERAGE 319 lbs Heavy Iggles LT Hicks 6'4" 335 LG Clarke 6'4" 330 C Jackson 6'4" 330 RG Andrews 6'4" 340 RT Runyan 6'7" 330 AVERAGE 333 lbs (must be the training table cheesesteaks) Jints LT Petitgout 6'6" 310 LG Diehl 6'5" 315 C O'Hara 6'3" 306 RG Snee 6'3" 314 RT McKenzie 6'6" 327 AVERAGE 314 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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