dpbillsfan Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I'm betting it was either Chuck Norris or the Podium that killed him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in VA Beach Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Lets hope he combs his hair and changes turbins this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I noticed the last press conference that Bin Laden's ears were getting bigger...he came off a little "old time comedy", dare I say vaudevillianesque.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy Pyle Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I don' t think it really matters any more. Al Queda is an institution now and currently, there really is no effective leadership. Kill all the leaders. Kill the top 50 leaders, top 100, top 1000. The organization and the philosophy will survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Zawahirgheii??? What??? Have you ever hear of someone by the name of Osama Bin Laden???????????????? How soon you forget. (On that note... ever heard of a thing called Weapons of Mass Destruction??) Big f'ing deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 Zawahirgheii??? What??? Have you ever hear of someone by the name of Osama Bin Laden???????????????? How soon you forget. (On that note... ever heard of a thing called Weapons of Mass Destruction??) Big f'ing deal. 566450[/snapback] Zawahiri is the brains behind al quaeda and much more important then bin laden. go back to reading pravda comrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I know this belongs on the other board but it is too good of news. Heres hoping this claim is true. Rot in hell you SOB! I have the Champagne on ice! http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1504096 http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/13/...rike/index.html 566198[/snapback] good news if true, but i'll wait for proof. this exact same story ran 2 years ago and proved to be incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Zawahiri is the brains behind al quaeda and much more important then bin laden. go back to reading pravda comrade 566454[/snapback] no one is more important than bin laden. zawahiri is their top technician. he's replaceable. the spirit of it all, which is what bin laden is so effective at representing, is irreplaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 One can only hope. May allah give him his 70 virgins, and mey they all be hare-lipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 no one is more important than bin laden. zawahiri is their top technician. he's replaceable. the spirit of it all, which is what bin laden is so effective at representing, is irreplaceable. 566458[/snapback] My brother in law is a West Point grad and Army Ranger. His best buddy is a counter terrorism expert that teaches at West Point. The guy has many books out and I have spoken to him at length about terrorism. Bin Laden is a figure head-Zawahiri is the brains. Seems like we havent heard from Osama in a while. Zawahiri has been the mouth piece for al quaeda the past year. I hope to God this is true. I will tell you something else- Al-Zarqawi would be a much bigger catch for the USA logistically then Osama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 My brother in law is a West Point grad and Army Ranger. His best buddy is a counter terrorism expert that teaches at West Point. The guy has many books out and I have spoken to him at length about terrorism. Bin Laden is a figure head-Zawahiri is the brains. Seems like we havent heard from Osama in a while. Zawahiri has been the mouth piece for al quaeda the past year. I hope to God this is true. I will tell you something else- Al-Zarqawi would be a much bigger catch for the USA logistically the Osama. 566464[/snapback] no offense, but the american military has been wrong more often than not all along about this stuff (read "assassins gate" by george packer for evidence on this). zawahiri was a struggling jihadist for 15 years after the assassination of sadat, but islamic jihad never achieved anything more than regional marginality. in 95-96, he had the brilliant idea (and he is indeed quite smart) to hitch himself to bin laden's star. bin laden is a world historical figure, on the order of lenin, khomeini, ho chi minh, and havel. zawahiri is a beria, a hess, a zhou en lai-- the guy that everyone claims is smarter but has no capacity to inspire the masses. bin laden, regardless of his reprehensible ideology, has that capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 no offense, but the american military has been wrong more often than not all along about this stuff (read "assassins gate" by george packer for evidence on this). zawahiri was a struggling jihadist for 15 years after the assassination of sadat, but islamic jihad never achieved anything more than regional marginality. in 95-96, he had the brilliant idea (and he is indeed quite smart) to hitch himself to bin laden's star. bin laden is a world historical figure, on the order of lenin, khomeini, ho chi minh, and havel. zawahiri is a beria, a hess, a zhou en lai-- the guy that everyone claims is smarter but has no capacity to inspire the masses. bin laden, regardless of his reprehensible ideology, has that capability. 566470[/snapback] Al Qaeda hasn't provided any proof that OBL is alive in over a year. For such a great figurehead, he sure keeps a low profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 no offense, but the american military has been wrong more often than not all along about this stuff (read "assassins gate" by george packer for evidence on this). zawahiri was a struggling jihadist for 15 years after the assassination of sadat, but islamic jihad never achieved anything more than regional marginality. in 95-96, he had the brilliant idea (and he is indeed quite smart) to hitch himself to bin laden's star. bin laden is a world historical figure, on the order of lenin, khomeini, ho chi minh, and havel. zawahiri is a beria, a hess, a zhou en lai-- the guy that everyone claims is smarter but has no capacity to inspire the masses. bin laden, regardless of his reprehensible ideology, has that capability. 566470[/snapback] No doubt Bin Laden is a charismatic figure to fundamentalists but Zawahiri is still a huge blow to al quaeda. I havent read Assassins Gate but I have read Bodansky, Bergen and Janes. http://www.janes.com/security/internationa...11003_1_n.shtml While Bin Laden has the charisma and the funds that built the Al-Qaeda (The Base) network of Islamic fundamentalists, mainly from the men who followed him during the fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s, al-Zawahiri is widely seen by counterterrorism and Islamic specialists as the intellect and ideological driving force behind the organisation. According to Vincent Cannistraro, former top CIA counterterrorist official, "Zawahiri is the guy-he's the operational commander...number one, on the right hand side of Osama." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 No doubt Bin Laden is a charismatic figure to fundamentalists but Zawahiri is still a huge blow to al quaeda. I havent read Assassins Gate but I have read Bodansky, Bergen and Janes. http://www.janes.com/security/internationa...11003_1_n.shtml 566479[/snapback] As your quote states, Zawahiri is at the right hand of bin Laden -- not the other way around. When Bush said "dead or alive," he was not talking about Zawahiri. No doubt, it would be great to get Zawahiri, but we better get bin Laden as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 As your quote states, Zawahiri is at the right hand of bin Laden -- not the other way around. When Bush said "dead or alive," he was not talking about Zawahiri. No doubt, it would be great to get Zawahiri, but we better get bin Laden as well. 566482[/snapback] Bush is a moron. If our CIA said "dead or alive" It would of included Zawahiri and Shiek Muhomad. Read the Janes article- "Al-Zawahiri’s experience is much wider than even Bin Laden’s," according to Dia’a Rashwan, a leading expert on Islamic militants in Egypt. "His name has come up in virtually every case involving Muslim groups since the 1970s. He’s the chief ideologue in the Bin Laden group. Both he and Bin Laden have combat experience, but it’s Ayman who has the intellectual edge." Al-Zawahiri seems to have had vastly more experience in clandestine operations than Bin Laden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Aaron Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Go for the hat trick - post it again in the Bills Backers or Weight Loss Forum. Don't forget to mention champagne! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 As your quote states, Zawahiri is at the right hand of bin Laden -- not the other way around. When Bush said "dead or alive," he was not talking about Zawahiri. No doubt, it would be great to get Zawahiri, but we better get bin Laden as well. 566482[/snapback] "Getting" bin Laden is counter-productive at this point. You either kill him and make him a martyr to inspire a thousand other gomers. Or you capture him and put him on trial...and make him a martyr to inspire a thousand other gomers. Or you keep him running from cave to cave in the Hindu Kush and NWFP, and he's marginalized. Or best yet, you capture him, kill him, leave his body to rot in a cave in the Hindu Kush, and the whole story never sees the light of day. Never happen...they'll shout it from the rooftops, of course. But the world is better off never hearing of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 "Getting" bin Laden is counter-productive at this point. You either kill him and make him a martyr to inspire a thousand other gomers. Or you capture him and put him on trial...and make him a martyr to inspire a thousand other gomers. Or you keep him running from cave to cave in the Hindu Kush and NWFP, and he's marginalized. Or best yet, you capture him, kill him, leave his body to rot in a cave in the Hindu Kush, and the whole story never sees the light of day. Never happen...they'll shout it from the rooftops, of course. But the world is better off never hearing of it. 566498[/snapback] My use of the word "getting" was of the mortal kind. I am not sure that I disagree with you. I did see a "terrorism expert" on television the other day, however, who suggested that capturing him would actually be the most effective given that it would humiliate him and his cause in the eyes of the arab world. In any event, bin Laden and al Qaeda were the ones behind 9/11. It has been almost 4 and 1/2 years since 9/11. The longer it takes to "get" him and Zawahiri, the more empty our rhetoric is about fighting the war on terrorism and our credibility diminishes in the process. Both of these guys deserve to be "gotten" regardless of how anyone may want to define it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Both of these guys deserve to be "gotten" regardless of how anyone may want to define it. 566501[/snapback] My definition, should anyone care, would be both of them hanged from the top of the Statue of Liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 i hope this is true rot in hell and may your 72 virgins all look like Rosie O'Donnell 566212[/snapback] ....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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