losmanera Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Its been all over the Trenton Times and 610 in Philly is reporting the same thing. I didnt believe the first story but even after TD and the Eagles pres said they havent talked they again reported that TD is looking into fitting him under the cap. Apparently we have made an offer for a 2nd and 3rd for Corey Simon. Seems steep to me but whatever. I posted this same thing on the Bills-zone board and a guy who lives in Philly said its been circulating down there. TD is also apparently trying to get Clements a long term deal before the season starts and if he cant fit both, he will fit Clements in first. Heres what the Philly guy said: Mark Eckel from the Trenton Times is the beat reporter for the Eagles for the Sporting News..... The Trenton Times is very credible..... Eckel also reports on 610AM WIP, the 24 hour sports talk radio station where most of the rumors flow through..... Again, the deal on the table is a 2006 2nd and 3rd round pick for Simon..... Donahoe is working on the cap now to see if he can do it..... the dilemma is that he is quietly working on a contract extension for Clements, and wants to get it done before the season starts..... if he can make both deals happen, he will, if he can't, he's going to priortize with Clements..... forget all of the 'trade Moulds or Evans' crap, it ain't gonna happen, this is the deal..... I apologize if I don't have any links, but I am from Philadelphia (live in L.A. now) and have dozens of friends and family who are reporting this, as they have seen it on the news and all listen to WIP..... no guarantees, but let's cross our fingers for Donahoe to make it ALL happen, and this team will be one step closer to being a real force..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 How's Oz these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Its been all over the Trenton Times and 610 in Philly is reporting the same thing. I didnt believe the first story but even after TD and the Eagles pres said they havent talked they again reported that TD is looking into fitting him under the cap. Apparently we have made an offer for a 2nd and 3rd for Corey Simon. Seems steep to me but whatever. I posted this same thing on the Bills-zone board and a guy who lives in Philly said its been circulating down there. TD is also apparently trying to get Clements a long term deal before the season starts and if he cant fit both, he will fit Clements in first. Heres what the Philly guy said: Mark Eckel from the Trenton Times is the beat reporter for the Eagles for the Sporting News..... The Trenton Times is very credible..... Eckel also reports on 610AM WIP, the 24 hour sports talk radio station where most of the rumors flow through..... Again, the deal on the table is a 2006 2nd and 3rd round pick for Simon..... Donahoe is working on the cap now to see if he can do it..... the dilemma is that he is quietly working on a contract extension for Clements, and wants to get it done before the season starts..... if he can make both deals happen, he will, if he can't, he's going to priortize with Clements..... forget all of the 'trade Moulds or Evans' crap, it ain't gonna happen, this is the deal..... I apologize if I don't have any links, but I am from Philadelphia (live in L.A. now) and have dozens of friends and family who are reporting this, as they have seen it on the news and all listen to WIP..... no guarantees, but let's cross our fingers for Donahoe to make it ALL happen, and this team will be one step closer to being a real force..... 403032[/snapback] A 2nd and a 3rd seems like a lot to give up, although we have a spare 3rd. Which begs the question: who's 3rd does Philly get...The Bills or the Titans? Is this a good deal? Is Simon a player we want? Is he a malcontent? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 http://www.610wip.com/eaglescamp/index.php No mention of this rumour on the WIP website. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I heard a rumor that TD called Corey Simon's agent to try to work out a deal. Let's see how long it takes for that to make it to Philly radio and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 A 2nd is giving up too much. Our Titans 3rd plus Josh Reed seems fair to me. Corey Simon isn't exactly the next coming of Ted Washington for us. Don't forget, there are multiple reasons for the Eagles wanting to trade him: 1. He's expensive. 2. He's lazy. 3. His overall production has steadily declined for the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Oh yeah? Well I saw Simon at the Buffalo airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 the dilemma is that he is quietly working on a contract extension for Clements, and wants to get it done before the season starts..... 403032[/snapback] Apparently not that quietly, if this is all over the news in Philly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Oh yeah? Well I saw Simon at the Buffalo airport. 403051[/snapback] With George Seifert, Ty Law, Jim Morrison and Elvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Oh yeah? Well I saw Simon at the Buffalo airport. Nonsense. Maybe Cleveburgh or Vegas, but I was nowhere near Buffalo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 With George Seifert, Ty Law, Jim Morrison and Elvis 403053[/snapback] And Shoeless Joe Jackson and the Easter Bunny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Oh yeah? Well I saw Simon at the Buffalo airport. 403051[/snapback] I saw Simon here on the Wall combining silent threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 http://philadelphia.about.com/b/a/2005_08_08.htm The Eagles apparently are continuing their efforts to trade disgruntled defensive tackle Corey Simon and have reportedly allowed two teams to speak with his agent. Simon's demands, however, remain so high that no team can meet his salary requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I saw Simon here on the Wall combining silent threads... 403059[/snapback] sssssssssshhhhhhhhh............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDynamite Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Well, I AM Corey Simon and I have been traded for Doug Flutie's ghost and a conditional 7th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 sssssssssshhhhhhhhh............... 403064[/snapback] Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 sssssssssshhhhhhhhh............... 403064[/snapback] Wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 sssssssssshhhhhhhhh............... 403064[/snapback] The best move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 My opinion, a 2nd and 3rd plus the cap space is giving up too much for an already solid defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 ...Apparently we have made an offer for a 2nd and 3rd for Corey Simon... 403032[/snapback] does that include a reach around for TD or do they want our other 3rd for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 My opinion, a 2nd and 3rd plus the cap space is giving up too much foran already solid defense. 403074[/snapback] I agree. Now if that kind of deal could snag a quality LOT I'd do it in a heartbeat. Gandy may be a serviceable guy, but he's nothing more than a stop gap solution (and would make a great depth guy who can play multiple OL positions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Full Name: Corey Jermaine Simon Born: March 2, 1977 Boynton Beach, FL Height: 6-2 Weight: 293 lbs. Age: 28 Pos: DT Experience: 6 years College: Florida State Drafted: Year: 2000 Round:1 Pick:6 2005 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc. Grade: 77 | Key Alert: None Comment: He is a much better athlete in space than you might imagine, and has good change of direction and movement in a short area. Simon keeps moving, has active feet, and is not easy to keep blocked. He has excellent overall instincts and seems to have a great feel for blocking schemes and angles, and he does an excellent job of locating the ball. Although his durability has been good over the years, Simon's body type indicates that he could be susceptible to a lot of pulls and nagging injuries. Durability certainly isn't a big question mark yet, but remains a long term concern. As thick as he is, he is almost an undersized guy for an inside player, which forces him to be more of a move and penetrating DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 So what? Never hire a snot, unless you want your current employees to shake their heads and wonder if good effort was wasted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch19079 Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 hes a franchise DT. great at putting pressure on the QB. and a definate upgrade over edwards. can you imagin having 2 pass rushing DTs. a 2nd and a 3rd is not that much for a franchise player. but we can throw in Reed or some other player in there. i also dont think we have to give up the titans' 3rd rounder.(which would be a high pick). our 3rd rounder would be good enough. all we have to do is get simon to agree to a low cap hit contract. we also need a OT, but why say no to a player with as much tallent and pressense on the D-Line like Simon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Comment:He is a much better athlete in space than you might imagine... 403088[/snapback] If that's the case, maybe they should send him up with the next shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Comment: He is a much better athlete in space than you might imagine, and has good change of direction and movement in a short area. Simon keeps moving, has active feet, and is not easy to keep blocked. He has excellent overall instincts and seems to have a great feel for blocking schemes and angles, and he does an excellent job of locating the ball. 403088[/snapback] He's also MUCH stronger than other 300 pounders and he plays with classic technique due to excellent training and learning skills- he would change our outlook for the season from missing the playoffs as an 8-8 team to instead being a contender for a run at a title. The money is still hard for me to grasp but if it could be done I for one will be feeling a WHOLE heck of a lot better about the 2005 Bills, especially after watching Gandy do a pretty good job on KGB in the scrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 If we were going to spend a bunch of money on a DT, wouldn't we have just kept Pat Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The only reason I'd be against this trade is if it effects re-signing nate clements, if not there's no reason not to want simon. It doesn't effect us from drafting a lt in a tackle heavy draft next year. we'd still have a 1st/3rd-7th rd picks, and improve an already good defense. It's win/win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch19079 Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 If we were going to spend a bunch of money on a DT, wouldn't we have just kept Pat Williams? 403117[/snapback] do you not see the difference between Pat Williams and Cory Simon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The only reason I'd be against this trade is if it effects re-signing nate clements, if not there's no reason not to want simon. It doesn't effect us from drafting a lt in a tackle heavy draft next year. we'd still have a 1st/3rd-7th rd picks, and improve an already good defense. It's win/win. 403118[/snapback] Good observation, Guess. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 If we were going to spend a bunch of money on a DT, wouldn't we have just kept Pat Williams? Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 If we were going to spend a bunch of money on a DT, wouldn't we have just kept Pat Williams? 403117[/snapback] Pat is 6 years older (going to turn 34 in October). It's just a difference in age--TD won't pay big money to guys "on the wrong side of 30." A trade for Simon doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have always been super high on Ron Edwards-- give the guy a shot to be a star. He has the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 can you imagin having 2 pass rushing DTs. 403107[/snapback] We don't need or want 2 pass rushing DTs. We need a space cloggers to stop the run and will get pass rush support from DE, LB and DBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 How many more years do you all think Adams is going to play? How many with the Bills? I think not more than 1 or 2, tops. Corey Simon, when healthy and on top of his game, is close to unblockable - in the Marcus Stroud mold. Putting him next to Adams for a year would make our line nearly impossible to run up the gut on, and teams would have a ton of trouble accounging for our passrush. We already use a ton of blitzes to overload the line - now imagine what it would be like with a line of Schobel, Simon, Adams, and Kelsay, plus our linebacking crew and the occasional Milloy/Clements blitz. It would be, in a word, a massacre. Give me the top D in the League over the top O any day - especially a Sunday in January. I just can't complain about this move if it happens, and the rumor sure as hell excites me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I heard that Tim Anderson considers it a "slap in the face" for TD to consider bringing Simon here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch19079 Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I heard that Tim Anderson considers it a "slap in the face" for TD to consider bringing Simon here.... 403147[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I heard that Tim Anderson considers it a "slap in the face" for TD to consider bringing Simon here.... 403147[/snapback] U Funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 How many more years do you all think Adams is going to play? 403144[/snapback] Simon is a jump the gap guy (i.e., a guesser) rather than a space clogger a'la SA. I don't see him as Adams eventual replacement--two different kinds of players. Putting him next to Adams for a year would make our line nearly impossible to run up the gut on. 403144[/snapback] I don't like DT's that try to guess on gaps. They'll look great when they guess right but put themselves out of the play when they're wrong. Fat Pat would do a lot of this when he got tired (see the Pittsburgh game), opening big holes to run through. Give me two DTs to protect LF and force everything to the outside...I like that scheme a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Fat Pat would do a lot of this when he got tired (see the Pittsburgh game), opening big holes to run through. Outside of Clements I thought PhatPat was the best Bill on the field during the Stiller game. Most of the damage we incurred in the groundgame came over the left side of our front7, the same as it was all year where Posey, Kelsay and to some extent Denney just aren't stout enough at the POA to hold up against a strong running attack. I agree that Simon's style of play is very dissimilar to the Keg's, but we're thin enough at DT, both presently and for the future, that this is a deal worth exploring if the Bills can work with Simon's agent. Cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfladave Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Oh yeah? Well I saw Simon at the Buffalo airport. 403051[/snapback] Was he looking for talent for the next American Idol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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