Kurt Warner on Josh's recent INTs

[HoofHearted]

17 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He has had horrible game plans and game management/ calling sine he took over the gig.

I don’t know if I’d go that far. Are there plays he wants back, sure. That’s every coach. Does he get too cute sometimes, yeah. Overall we’ve consistently been one of the top offenses in the league though. Does Josh have a whole heck of a lot to do with that? Absolutely, but it’s no different than any other team who wins consistently because of their QB play.

 

What we do in the run game and, off of that, the rpo game is really good stuff. He also has some really good shield concepts out of stacks that are nearly impossible to defend that are really good. Our vertical choice routes are good which is why we’ve seen an uptick in MoFC coverages, but overall there’s a lot of meat left on the bone in our vertical pass game. We rely too heavily at times on different levels concepts to the sideline whether that be Smash or Floods. Everyone here hates Mesh but it’s a really good concept vs both man and zone if the receivers understand what they are seeing from a defense post snap.

 

For me, we run way too many mirrored routes for my liking and we hardly ever move the pocket. With as much as we run the ball we should have more pass actions off of those key run schemes.

[Maine-iac]

Gave never had a chance of establishing position and catching this.  The throw is literally to the DB.  Maybye the inside WR blocked Josh's view.  That's the best I've got.

[PoundingDog]

I recall in post game, Allen said he threw to the wrong side of Gabe.

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

I don’t know if I’d go that far. Are there plays he wants back, sure. That’s every coach. Does he get too cute sometimes, yeah. Overall we’ve consistently been one of the top offenses in the league though. Does Josh have a whole heck of a lot to do with that? Absolutely, but it’s no different than any other team who wins consistently because of their QB play.

 

What we do in the run game and, off of that, the rpo game is really good stuff. He also has some really good shield concepts out of stacks that are nearly impossible to defend that are really good. Our vertical choice routes are good which is why we’ve seen an uptick in MoFC coverages, but overall there’s a lot of meat left on the bone in our vertical pass game. We rely too heavily at times on different levels concepts to the sideline whether that be Smash or Floods. Everyone here hates Mesh but it’s a really good concept vs both man and zone if the receivers understand what they are seeing from a defense post snap.

 

For me, we run way too many mirrored routes for my liking and we hardly ever move the pocket. With as much as we run the ball we should have more pass actions off of those key run schemes.

Im with you on WTH aren't we moving the pocket?

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

I wish we could trade this guy for Maye, straight up. 

I wish we could trade for their OC, straight up.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

I'm not going to try to sell you that they get a first but it was 3rd and 9 and they certainly could have picked up 6 or 7 and been inside the 40.  We've gone for it a million times on a 4th and 2 and the edge of Prater's field goal range.  All that aside the throw he did make was one of a lot of bad decisions Josh has made this year.  The throw he missed is forgivable.  The throw he made was just bad.  Outside of last year Allen has turned the ball over pretty consistently most of his career.  We've also usually had better defenses to absorb some of that.

It’s true. Last year was an anomaly. Allen is tied number 1 with Trevor Lawrence for most turnovers of the last 5 years. But we all know where his TD #’s lie as well. I get that Brady is trying to limit the hero ball, but even with the WR troubles I think it’s best to let Allen out of his cage once in awhile. He’ll never gain that chemistry w/ his WRs unless they go through trial & error.

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

If he throws it immediately it’s definitely bang bang. You’re gonna be about 5 yards short of a first though. Not sure the competitive nature in Josh gets him to throw that short of the stick regardless of whether it’s the right thing to do or not unfortunately.

For better or worse, Allen will not give up on a 3rd down and punt by throwing it away, running out of bounds, or throwing well short of the sticks.

 

Live to fight another day is not in his vocabulary.

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Gave never had a chance of establishing position and catching this.  The throw is literally to the DB.  Maybye the inside WR blocked Josh's view.  That's the best I've got.

So we have 4 guys here with routes that break 5 yards short of the sticks. Not sure I understand the play call on 3rd down. It’s like the goal is to get to 4th and short or something.

[HoofHearted]

5 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

So we have 4 guys here with routes that break 5 yards short of the sticks. Not sure I understand the play call on 3rd down. It’s like the goal is to get to 4th and short or something.

It probably was. This area of the field Brady probably knew he had two downs to get a first. Josh has to be on board with that mindset as well.

[harmonkillebrew]

2 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

I recall in post game, Allen said he threw to the wrong side of Gabe.

Nah, Gabe made no effort to beat the DB to the ball. I think they were all fooled by the switch in coverage, but Gabe should have come down harder to at least break it up

[Kelly to Allen]

Developing the timing and correct reads in a west coast concept is tough. It takes even all time great QBs a few years to master 

[Tulsabillsfanz]

3 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Gave never had a chance of establishing position and catching this.  The throw is literally to the DB.  Maybye the inside WR blocked Josh's view.  That's the best I've got.

That’s exactly what I saw. Josh is throwing as Shakir is blocking his view of the DB.  Warner stopped the tape 3 times when this happened and he kept saying he wasn’t sure what Josh saw. I think it was what Josh didn’t see, the guy behind Shakir. 

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Warner is right: Palmer royally screwed up. 

 

Yeah and I said this after the game and was told I was completely wrong. Two other football people have said it too, that I know of.

[BananaB]

Who cares. Most of Josh’s picks are on third and forth down when he know he gotta force something. Josh wants to move the chains, that’s his mentality. Brady lining 4 WRs up short of the chains was brutal. DBs were all over it

[dave mcbride]

6 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

The last throw in the Texans' game brought new light on why running your route precisely is what separates great ones (Jerry Rice is famous for) from a JAG receiver. And Yes Diggs is someone Josh can trust and Palmer is someone Josh can't in stress scenarios.

 

I'm not saying Josh is perfect. Just like Warner pointed out, as well as many others (cover 1, Marino etc.), the Steelers game INT is all Josh.

 

 

 

Great breakdown. I know folks like @HappyDays and @BADOLBILZ are quick to blame Gabe Davis, but man, on that INT vs Pitt, it was just a terrible read by Allen. Davis did nothing wrong. And I think it’s a bit rich to blame Davis for “dropping” a 70 mph bullet pass that probably traveled 7 yards in a fog-of-war scrum vs Tampa. Not one NFL receiver is catching that, and the blame for him not keeping his feet in bounds vs an elite boundary corner in Stingley, who had established sideline control on that play, seems way off too. That struck me as a no-chance play regardless of the receiver given how good the coverage was. And trust me, I am not a big defender of Davis.

Edited 37 minutes ago by dave mcbride

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Gave never had a chance of establishing position and catching this.  The throw is literally to the DB.  Maybye the inside WR blocked Josh's view.  That's the best I've got.

 

This pic to me, is Josh saying I’d rather throw there then to the 2 guys up top (Keon and Knox).  
 

Not saying that’s right obviously, just the result of this WR room we were told to not question bc 30 points a game in 2024 or something.  
 

 

*WR room is now in its 5th iteration of the season*