Let’s talk D

[Beck Water]

55 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Even in his prime, Milano wasnt a great tackler.  He was a heat seeking missile with elite play diagnosis, but never swallowed up Running Backs.   Now he’s older and has a pec injury.  Between him and Bernard, it’s like watching 2 dudes with T Rex arms and zero ability to get offs blocks.    Complete jailbreak ever time the Running Back gets past the line of scrimmage.  

 

Wait a minute.  Let's go back and look at something you said
Zero ability to get off blocks

 

Kind of the DL's job to keep the LB's clean, isn't it? 

When I look at the Bills depth chart, Rousseau/Deone Walker/DaQuan Jones/Joey Bosa were not the 4 names we expected to see as first string starting the season

Epenesa/Ogunjobi/Jordan Phillips/Landon Jackson not who I expected as 2nd string.

OK, continue.

[BananaB]

The biggest question with the D is how long before some guys lose playing time to poor play? Most people believe we got some guys just playing bad football and guys below them looking like they can help the team.  When is it gonna happen? System will not change, playing calling is not gonna get much better, we know that.  Giving different guys more opportunities is the only thing that might boost the D. 

Edited 2 hours ago by BananaB

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Wait a minute.  Let's go back and look at something you said
Zero ability to get off blocks

 

Kind of the DL's job to keep the LB's clean, isn't it? 

When I look at the Bills depth chart, Rousseau/Deone Walker/DaQuan Jones/Joey Bosa were not the 4 names we expected to see as first string starting the season

Epenesa/Ogunjobi/Jordan Phillips/Landon Jackson not who I expected as 2nd string.

OK, continue.

lol who would have expected the guy we gave a $20M AAV extension, our two biggest FA acquisitions over the offseason, and our draft picks to all actually have to contribute???

[BillsMontreal]

After all those years, it's the same movie on defense.

 

This defensive scheme is a pure product of our HC and it is nothing more than what we saw year after year.

At this point, they should put all the money on offense. No matter which players will be on the field on defense, it will be about the same result. 

We saw it in a game in playoff against the Chiefs (when Bass missed in FG).  WIth all the injuries, the defense played the same game.

It's clearly a scheme problem.

 

They will make a play here and there and will need superman as a QB on offense, no matter how much money you put there.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsMontreal

[CSBill]

8 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Tre started and played the first few series then Hairston played a bunch after that.

The good thing is, they didn't throw the ball at him. Put him out there 100% of the time.

[Kelly to Allen]

23 minutes ago, BananaB said:

The biggest question with the D is how long before some guys lose playing time to poor play? Most people believe we got some guys just playing bad football and guys below them looking like they can help the team.  When is it gonna happen? System will not change, playing calling is not gonna get much better, we know that.  Giving different guys more opportunities is the only thing that might boost the D. 

 

It's because some of these guys are not 100% 

 

Don't get me wrong, there's scheme issues everyone has talked about for years. 

 

But they're just now starting to get a little healthier. 

 

Bosa is probably a few weeks away with the wrist 

 

Bernard and Milano 

 

Benford has been dealing with the mild groin strain since the end of camp. He just now is seemingly getting healthier. Taron Johnson same issue

 

TJ Sanders just got back. Fox just signed to replace hoecht...

 

Crossing my fingers we beat the Texans, idc about the score. And get out healthy. Then it's 10 days rest.... That should be enough momentum to go on a run

Edited 2 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Psautcsk]

Morgan Fox. Thar's all I got.

[Charles Romes]

The most concerning thing to me big picture is the D seems to be aging fast, even where they are not that old. Bernard can’t run anymore and injured every week. Benford looks old. Oliver’s body breaking down. Hoecht can’t last two games. Rapp. Johnson. For splash plays can only look to Bishop, Hairston and Walker.  Seems you will need draft classes of 12-15 players just to replenish the D. 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They tried everyone but Milano in that role today - Solomon, Bernard, Williams.... I don't think they have an answer. Hoecht's skill set is pretty unique. Milano is running in sand, he is one of the first guys they need to get off the field IMO. The guy who I think might be worth a go is more Rousseau standing up in the A gap in pure pass sets with Bosa and Epenesa outside. 

 

There are just too many problems to fix. Hancock and Poyer are already in a job share and while I understand the desire to see Hancock out there more he has to play better than he has so far to earn that. There is a case for Shaq, Dorian and Cam to become the starting second level. All the 'starters' are struggling but as @Simon rightly says the interior Dline has to do better at keeping them clean and there is no help coming at that spot. They have what they have at this point. That said the Bills are near the top of the league in rushes stopped for no gain or loss. The bigger problem is once a runner evades the Dline the next Bill to touch the ball could well be the kicker kicking off. 

 

Oh and if PED man 1 (Hoecht) was a great addition - for all of two games - PED man 2 (Ogunjobi) is freaking hopeless. Leverage. Pad level. Anchor. One out of 3 would be nice. He is playing with zero.

 

 

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