Should we look to trade Keon after this season?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

For what? A bag of pistachios?

 

[The Jokeman]

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My goodness, I’m stunned that there are still Keon truthers out there. Some people get on the lifeboats and some keep playing the violin as the Titanic takes on water.
 

34 catches on 83 targets is the worst that I’ve ever heard of. He is catching 41% of the balls thrown his way over the equivalent of a season!! I don’t know where you’d find that data but that has to be one of the worst percentages of all-time!! Keon has been targeted, a lot, by the league’s MVP. He has failed miserably based on pretty much all metrics.

 

Why the need to defend him so hard? If we want to look at how much he flourished pre-injury and ignore the last full season, okay. If we decide to ignore the last 17 games he was on pace for 42 catches on 68 targets for 788 yards and 6 TDs. Taking only the best of Keon, you get the 102nd most catches despite being the top option with the league’s best QB.
 

Keon sucks. None of us wanted that to be the case. A lot of us expected it to be the case but it’s been worse than even the most negative on him could have imagined. He entered camp as the number 1 WR. He is a healthy scratch by Thanksgiving so that Gabe Davis and Mecole Hardman could get jerseys. The Bills proceeded to have their best game through the air this season. The best thing for the Bills would be for him to remain in street clothes until his Bills career ends in 4 months.

The reason I defend him so hard is many of those targets aren't lay ups and yet Keon has shown when the balls in his hand he can get YAC or score TDs in the redzone. Is he elite? Nope but none of the WR drafted in the 24-45 range of that draft have shown to be. You feel he's best at his slot so are we seeing the best version of him? No so why let another team get him for a 6th and do it? It's like when we drafted Lynch for nothing to Seattle but let me guess you like that move? Cuz Lynch was immature here too but...

Edited 1 hour ago by The Jokeman

[<bills4life>]

22 minutes ago, RkFast said:

 

Youth, size, general athletic ability. Yes, he's been hot garbage but if the Bills cut him outright he would be picked up by another team before lunch tomorrow.  He HAS value right now. Maybe trade him in March. Cut now, as some suggest? No way. 

He may have value. I’m sure someone would be dumb enough to offer a 7th. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

He will be active vs texans on thurs. Let's see if anything changed. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The reason I defend him so hard is many of those targets aren't lay ups and yet Keon has shown when the balls in his hand he can get YAC or score TDs in the redzone. Is he elite? Nope but none of the WR drafted in the 24-45 range of that draft have shown to be. You feel he's best at his slot so are we seeing the best version of him? No so why let another team get him for a 6th and do it? It's like when we drafted Lynch for nothing to Seattle but let me guess you like that move? Cuz Lynch was immature here too but...

Marshawn Lynch was in the Pro Bowl in his second year.

 

Let me guess, you LOVED hanging onto Kaiir Elam to suck as a backup before we eventually shipped his ass out?

[<bills4life>]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The reason I defend him so hard is many of those targets aren't lay ups and yet Keon has shown when the balls in his hand he can get YAC or score TDs in the redzone. Is he elite? Nope but none of the WR drafted in the 24-45 range of that draft have shown to be. You feel he's best at his slot so are we seeing the best version of him? No so why let another team get him for a 6th and do it? It's like when we drafted Lynch for nothing to Seattle but let me guess you like that move? Cuz Lynch was immature here too but...

Ladd is pretty damn good. At the time it wasn’t even a question. That’s why the chargers sprinted right up to the podium afterwards. Dumb. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

He may have value. I’m sure someone would be dumb enough to offer a 7th. 

 

It's a 7th along with $4M in guaranteed salary. 

[<bills4life>]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

It's a 7th along with $4M in guaranteed salary. 

Great point. We would probably have to trade him and a 6th just to clear cap space. 

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Marshawn Lynch was in the Pro Bowl in his second year.

 

Let me guess, you LOVED hanging onto Kaiir Elam to suck as a backup before we eventually shipped his ass out?

 

I was a former Elam Truther. After the AFC championship I'm not lol

 

I was never an Edmunds Truther tho...

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Great point. We would probably have to trade him and a 6th just to clear cap space. 

 

Not sure but I'm glad you see my point.

Like I said earlier; to outright cut him next March it cost the Bills $5.5M.

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Not sure but I'm glad you see my point.

Like I said earlier; to outright cut him next March it cost the Bills $5.5M.

Yeah basically stuck with the man child

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Yeah basically stuck with the man child

 

Maybe.  Best case they keep him in street clothes for a while and the kid wakes up and is worth at least WR5/6.

[JerseyBills]

Yes, if you're production is that bad and you still can't show up behind the scenes, you don't belong in a SB caliber locker room , especially at a premium position 

 

Hopefully he shows improvement on n off the field but if not just cut your losses

[Kirby Jackson]

34 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The reason I defend him so hard is many of those targets aren't lay ups and yet Keon has shown when the balls in his hand he can get YAC or score TDs in the redzone. Is he elite? Nope but none of the WR drafted in the 24-45 range of that draft have shown to be. You feel he's best at his slot so are we seeing the best version of him? No so why let another team get him for a 6th and do it? It's like when we drafted Lynch for nothing to Seattle but let me guess you like that move? Cuz Lynch was immature here too but...

Lynch went to the Pro Bowl. He had an 1100 yard season and a 1000 yard season in his first 2 years. He scored 15 TDs. He was a top 15 pick with little risk. There’s no comparison between the 2. I didn’t like when they let Jason Peters go either. I did like the moves to dump Boogie Basham, Cody Ford and Kaiir Elam. Those guys, like Keon sucked. The difference is they didn’t have people willing to lay down in traffic for them.
 

To be clear, I’m not ready to move on from Keon because he’s immature. I’m ready to move on because he’s a bad football player. He has MAJOR flaws that I don’t believe you can overcome. If you can get a warm hot chocolate for him, take it.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lynch went to the Pro Bowl. He had an 1100 yard season and a 1000 yard season in his first 2 years. He scored 15 TDs. He was a top 15 pick with little risk. There’s no comparison between the 2. I didn’t like when they let Jason Peters go either. I did like the moves to dump Boogie Basham, Cody Ford and Kaiir Elam. Those guys, like Keon sucked. The difference is they didn’t have people willing to lay down in traffic for them.
 

To be clear, I’m not ready to move on from Keon because he’s immature. I’m ready to move on because he’s a bad football player. He has MAJOR flaws that I don’t believe you can overcome. If you can get a warm hot chocolate for him, take it.

 

 

What were your thoughts on the always injured and seemingly football ignorant Cole Bishop back in September?  

 

Things change fast in the NFL.  

 

The Lynch comparison is apt, IMO, because his complete lack of accountability was a massive problem for a rudderless Bills team at the time.   I was one of his most vocal critics but didn't advocate getting rid of him at the time.   Like Coleman, he was put in a spot he wasn't mature enough to be able to handle.   In both cases the Bills put the cart before the horse.   

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

What were your thoughts on the always injured and seemingly football ignorant Cole Bishop back in September?  

 

Things change fast in the NFL.  

 

The Lynch comparison is apt, IMO, because his complete lack of accountability was a massive problem for a rudderless Bills team at the time.   I was one of his most vocal critics but didn't advocate getting rid of him at the time.   Like Coleman, he was put in a spot he wasn't mature enough to be able to handle.   In both cases the Bills put the cart before the horse.   

My feelings on Bishop are documented on here. He looked lost but had a high ceiling. His RAS was really high. He was worth the investment in case he harnessed the athletic upside. 
 

I do not usually have an issue with character concerns. For the right talent, you push it to the side. Diggs caused some headaches. They shouldn’t have been so quick to move on. Marshawn was immature but playing at a Pro Bowl level to start his career. That’s not like Coleman. If he had 1100 yards and 7 TDs as a rookie, we would look the other way on his immaturity.