Daboll Fired

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I fully credit Daboll for helping make Allen the player he has become. But he is such an overrated coach. He has basically only been a a good offensive coach with Allen (too be fair, he has done a good job with Dart). Hurts became a much better player after he left him. So did Jones. He also seems to a lot to deal with . He was 20-40 so his firing is well warranted and he was given a longer leash than most coaches get with that record. 
 

I know the popular take it to hate Brady now. But fun fact, the Bills scored more points with Brady than any season with Daboll. And that was with prime Diggs (top 10 wr) and crazy Cole (might be the best wr on this roster), oh yeah, he helped Allen win a MVP. 
 

but if he wants to come back to tell Allen jokes and that helps, sure. Bring that chubby guy back. 

What year is where we think Belichick is still an option teams are going to consider? He has been on a downward spiral for the last 5 years and has a psycho “girlfriend “ that makes decisions for him. 
 

I will bet you a lot of money he never gets another coaching job again, 

 

To the bold, you're missing the piece where he MADE Tua into a college star and completely changed Saban's outlook on how to run an offense. 👍

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I get all that, but some team will do it I think. 

 

 

I don’t know man. He was terrible at the end of NE, he has been terrible at UNC (basically any time he hasn’t had Brady), he’s like 75, and his “girlfriend” who is with him for all the right reasons is a disaster.

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'm open to anything at this point. The last two games Daboll coached here was the perfect game and the 13 seconds game. We don't have close to the same weapons we had back then but Daboll knows what Allen does well and can get through to him. Of course Daboll also coached the Urban Meyer game and a few other no-show performances so I'm not going to pretend he's some genius, but he can have some value here as a pass game coordinator. We need new route combinations and new ideas. Too many passes are in the direction of WRs that are standing still. Daboll knew how to create passes to WRs while they were still moving.

 

I'm kind of indifferent on Daboll. I give him credit for how he was able to help mold Allen from the wild stallion into what he is today, but his play calling also drove me crazy at times too.

 

I don't think there's a chance he comes back though as I don't think he and McD saw eye to eye and they seemed to both be glad to get away from each other when Dabs left.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

To the bold, you're missing the piece where he MADE Tua into a college star and completely changed Saban's outlook on how to run an offense. 👍

Fair but I think almost any OC could have shined with that talent and they did (Kiffin, Sark, the Maryland coach). Like you have to be brain dead not to light it up as a Bama OC. 
 

wasnt Tua also like the number 1 recruit? The best thing on Daboll’s resume is developing Allen. It’s pretty mid otherwise. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

This guy is destined to be in offensive coordinator the rest of his career, and he will crush everybody.  

You ever see his stats as an OC pre Josh Allen? Not so good is all am going to say. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

He has no interest in working with mcdermott. The two of them were oil and water.

It’s being reported by beat reporters that they made up and are on good terms

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fair but I think almost any OC could have shined with that talent and they did (Kiffin, Sark, the Maryland coach). Like you have to be brain dead not to light it up as a Bama OC. 
 

wasnt Tua also like the number 1 recruit? The best thing on Daboll’s resume is developing Allen. It’s pretty mid otherwise. 

I think Allen had more to do with that than Daboll if we're being honest

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, JohnNord said:

It’s being reported by beat reporters that they made up and are on good terms

I read this as made out. 

[fridge]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I read this as made out. 

Which would probably be what the doctor ordered for McDermott to loosen up a little. I'm all for it at this point.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fair but I think almost any OC could have shined with that talent and they did (Kiffin, Sark, the Maryland coach). Like you have to be brain dead not to light it up as a Bama OC. 
 

wasnt Tua also like the number 1 recruit? The best thing on Daboll’s resume is developing Allen. It’s pretty mid otherwise. 

 

Bama was a ground/pound with game manager QB and play defense school. That's how they won Saban's first few Nattys.

 

Until halftime of the UGA game when Daboll talked him into handing the reins to Daboll/Tua, and they opened it up a high powered passing game, and the rest is history.

 

None of the stuff Kiffin, Sark, etc did happens without Daboll pushing Saban into passing, and then pulling it off.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

I think Allen had more to do with that than Daboll if we're being honest

I’m not the biggest Daboll fan but that’s really unfair. Allen became a better player in the nfl than he was in the mountains west. He got the same OC for 4 years, which never happens. Allen wasn’t close to this player his first 2 years. 
 

Daboll took a raw talent and helped mold him into a MVP. He deserves credit for that. The rest of his resume is meh. 

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I read this as made out. 

Would not want to see that 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Bama was a ground/pound with game manager QB and play defense school. That's how they won Saban's first few Nattys.

 

Until halftime of the UGA game when Daboll talked him into handing the reins to Daboll/Tua, and they opened it up a high powered passing game, and the rest is history.

 

None of the stuff Kiffin, Sark, etc did happens without Daboll pushing Saban into passing, and then pulling it off.

Fair but they also talk about Saban being a coach willing to adjust and change with the times too. 
 

Honest question, was being a Bama OC under Saban with those rosters really a hard job? 

[Nihilarian]

Just a thought, should the Bills ask Amari Cooper if he wants to return?

[Goin Breakdown]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I read this as made out. 

Hey whatever gets him back. I'm good. 

[NoName]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

McD needs to swallow his pride, focus on the defense, fire Brady, and let Daboll do his thing on offense. 
 

It’s our only option to save the offense and this season 

But how much could Daboll do with the WRs we have?  Also, one big criticism of Daboll was that he didn't run it enough.  If we can get him here as an sr. offensive guy for this year.

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m not the biggest Daboll fan but that’s really unfair. Allen became a better player in the nfl than he was in the mountains west. He got the same OC for 4 years, which never happens. Allen wasn’t close to this player his first 2 years. 
 

Daboll took a raw talent and helped mold him into a MVP. He deserves credit for that. The rest of his resume is meh. 

 

Allen very recently, like a week or two ago, talked about how Dabs would light him up when he started getting wild out there, so Josh acknowledges what Daboll did for him.

Edited 1 hour ago by Billz4ever

[thenorthremembers]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fair but they also talk about Saban being a coach willing to adjust and change with the times too. 
 

Honest question, was being a Bama OC under Saban with those rosters really a hard job? 

 

About as hard as Ryan Day's job now. 

[boyst]

37 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

If he wasn’t such a prick I’m sure he’d get another job but he honestly might be following the Doug marrone model and have to take a role lower than oc.  

he's had more success than marrone, though.

and he could go to college and be top 3 coordinator immediately.

[JohnNord]

Someone from the media should ask him about Daboll.  McDermott’s response will be telling.   
 

He could say, “no, Joe Brady is our OC and I trust that he’ll get things figured out.”

 

Or he could say “I don’t really want to get into that right now” or “no I haven’t thought about that yet.”  
 

if he says something closer to the latter I think  there’s a chance Daboll returns.   Hopefully someone words their question intentionally