When does our owner hold Beane and McD responsible? So many issues.....

[NavyBillsFan]

Hey, Im just as p'd off with this crap as anyone else.  Im sorry, but I am NOT the one who admires our display case of AFC East Champ trophies.  This team is NOWHERE near a Super Bowl.  Not even healthy....  Beane has mismanaged the draft...  Honestly guys, Allen was pure luck in the draft and wanted to be great.  Allen is Allen because of Allen; not Beane or McD.  Our coaching staff has been outcoached time and time again.  There is NO excuse to go into a game unprepared.  No adjustments and outcoached.  A running game abandoned.. (Once again, No adjustments...) We have NO cap space next season.  Some injuries will carry onto next season and impact careers.  Beane overpays for players who would be 2nd or 3rd stringers on other teams.  Its not a curse folks, look at the Sabres.  Culture?  Im mean hell, the Ravens had every criminal in the league on their team...  But they won, they dominated, and won Super Bowls.  I done care about McD's culture crap.  At this point, he has lost this team, the fans, and the players.  Its a failure across the board.  A good damn QB we waited what?  almost 27 years for, WASTED....   Where do the Buffalo Bills go from here?  When does our owner pull the plug on Beane and blow this garbage up?  How long before Allen walks into a meeting and says "guys, im rich, now id like to win, but not in Buffalo?"  Call me what you wish, but where am I wrong in all of this? 

[Low Positive]

We're all going to have to come to grips with the fact that we have no control over Terry Pegula's decision-making. He might even have different priorities than the fans. But he fired GMs and coaches in his early days of owning the Sabres, like it was going out of style, only to get worse results. I think he might have learned the wrong lessons from that. But again, we as fans have no way to affect his decision-making. FWIW, I would clean house if I owned the team. But I would have done it after the playoff loss to the Bengals. That was when it was crystal clear that this group would not win it all. It was time to get a new vision. But Terry sees it all differently, and our favorite is his plaything. Perhaps we need to be more like English footy fans and consider the team our's, but as Americans, we don't tend to think that way. Terry bought the team with his own money, so he gets to run it into the ground if he so pleases, and there is nothing that we can do about it. We also need an OC that runs a different offense with new verbage. Josh needs the challenge of learning a new playbook. He looks frustrated and a bit bored, but I'm probably reading too much into it. 

 

I was raging yesterday, I slept on it, and came to the conclusion that it was a week 10 loss to a divisional opponent. These things happen. The game got away from the Bills early and they could never get on track. The Steelers lost in Cincinnati a few weeks ago and then beat the Colts. After beating the Steelers, the Bengals lost to the Jets and Bears. The Packers lost to the Panthers last week, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them beat the Eagles tonight. The damn Eagles lost to the hapless Giants a few weeks ago. Any team can beat any team this year. Except nobody can beat the Pats. That last point is what I think is driving our panic. It's just too much drought-era PTSD (not to make light of people who fought in wars or suffered real trauma, but there is no other term that comes to mind to describe our reaction).

[bmur66]

Allen is the franchise so I am thinking when he is not happy, Pegs is not happy.

[Walking Tall]

Allen just signed a contract 7 months ago. He’s not going to demand a trade anytime soon.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Win, lose, draw, the Pegulas are making money hand over fist. Why should they hold anybody responsible for anything? In their eyes, the Bills are competing and relevant again after nearly 20 years of ineptitude. I don’t necessarily agree. I told myself I would take a wait & see approach until the end of the season. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

The Bills could miss the playoffs this year and their seat still wouldn't be warm. 

 

Unless one or both wake up and decide to retire, they will be here for a long time still. 

[Buffalo ill]

I worry that every year that begins with McBean in control is a guaranteed waste of 2 years of Allen.  I figure regardless of how the season ends, it will take at least another 2 years for Terry to move on.

[The Cincinnati Kid]

10 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

Allen just signed a contract 7 months ago. He’s not going to demand a trade anytime soon.

He could demand a new coach. I would second his demand. 
 

McDermott is Schottenheimer.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I think it's after the season. Bottom line fact is we are 6-3 with 8 games left and the division leader is 7-2. Nothing will happen unless the wheels fall off, and my gut says Beane is first. 

[TBBills Fan]

20 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The Bills could miss the playoffs this year and their seat still wouldn't be warm. 

 

Unless one or both wake up and decide to retire, they will be here for a long time still. 

It would take an epic collapse for them to not be here to be a part of the new stadium opening

[HamptonBillsfan]

The furthest thing from the Pegulas mind is questioning the GM/HC on the Bills. With the new stadium and the Bills still a playoff team what could be wrong with the world. He’s basically a photo -op owwner. I think Jessica would be a better owner with regard to holding people accountable.

[IsolateThis]

31 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

We're all going to have to come to grips with the fact that we have no control over Terry Pegula's decision-making. He might even have different priorities than the fans. But he fired GMs and coaches in his early days of owning the Sabres, like it was going out of style, only to get worse results. I think he might have learned the wrong lessons from that. But again, we as fans have no way to affect his decision-making. FWIW, I would clean house if I owned the team. But I would have done it after the playoff loss to the Bengals. That was when it was crystal clear that this group would not win it all. It was time to get a new vision. But Terry sees it all differently, and our favorite is his plaything. Perhaps we need to be more like English footy fans and consider the team our's, but as Americans, we don't tend to think that way. Terry bought the team with his own money, so he gets to run it into the ground if he so pleases, and there is nothing that we can do about it. We also need an OC that runs a different offense with new verbage. Josh needs the challenge of learning a new playbook. He looks frustrated and a bit bored, but I'm probably reading too much into it. 

 

I was raging yesterday, I slept on it, and came to the conclusion that it was a week 10 loss to a divisional opponent. These things happen. The game got away from the Bills early and they could never get on track. The Steelers lost in Cincinnati a few weeks ago and then beat the Colts. After beating the Steelers, the Bengals lost to the Jets and Bears. The Packers lost to the Panthers last week, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them beat the Eagles tonight. The damn Eagles lost to the hapless Giants a few weeks ago. Any team can beat any team this year. Except nobody can beat the Pats. That last point is what I think is driving our panic. It's just too much drought-era PTSD (not to make light of people who fought in wars or suffered real trauma, but there is no other term that comes to mind to describe our reaction).

Interesting take - I agree with much of it, and disagree in other areas.

 

I wouldn't want the owner stepping in and holding top brass accountable mid-season, as a matter of routine. For the reason that Terry is an oil/business man, and not a man versed in the x's and o's of the game, nor with the front office of a football club.  That is why he hires others who are experts in these fields to put the pieces in place to become a championship caliber club. And - for many years they were on that precipice.

 

As you note however - he did exactly this with the Sabres, and it was too much, too often. It put the players in a position to never be able to align themselves with coaches and systems. It also painted the Sabres, and rightfully so, as a last resort for GM's or head coaches to go to. Set up to fail.

 

I think the answer, as with most things, lies somewhere in the middle. There needs to be a post-season analysis by Terry of the philosophies instilled by Beane and McDermott, and an explanation as to why it seemingly shifted so abruptly starting with last year on offense. 

 

I don't think fans would have a negative knee jerk reaction to any changes made to Beane or Mcdermott. There's been enough time on the docket for both. And the rest of the league similarly wouldn't have a negative reaction either. I hate to say it but it may be time. I hope I'm proven wrong this year.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:

It would take an epic collapse for them to not be here to be a part of the new stadium opening

Not even then. They could lose every game for the rest of the season. We would get a press release from ownership that basically says "While the year didn't go as planned, we are looking forward to Brandon and Sean righting the shop for the grand opening season of the new stadium."

[Gregg]

17 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think it's after the season. Bottom line fact is we are 6-3 with 8 games left and the division leader is 7-2. Nothing will happen unless the wheels fall off, and my gut says Beane is first. 

 

A new GM won't come here unless he has the power to move on from McDermott and bring in his own HC. He would probably try to work with McDermott in the beginning but if it doesn't work then Sean is gone. Also, the new GM will want final say on building the roster when it comes to the draft/FA.

[bills6969]

It’s a very difficult predicament for Pegula. Beane and McD have been the key cog within this Org for almost 9 years.  They have built a winning organization that has been able to get as far as AFCCg on multiple occasions.  Question is do you blow that all up now and try to find FO and HC to take this team to next level (Super Bowl)?  That will require a micro rebuild and you run the risk of it not working out and being even worse of than with current FO and coaching staff.  Oh and by the way you only have 5 years MAX of Allen prime years to make it work.

 

very tough call.

[zow2]

This owner has made such catastrophic mistakes with the Sabres it will carry over negatively to the Bills.  He's the last owner in the NFL who will fire a coach and/or GM who has overseen this many years of playoffs.

[Walking Tall]

24 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

He could demand a new coach. I would second his demand. 
 

McDermott is Schottenheimer.

He could do that but is it in his DNA to do something like that?

[Sojourner]

37 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Allen is the franchise so I am thinking when he is not happy, Pegs is not happy.

Honestly man, I appreciate Terry for keeping the team here but I genuinely think he values the $ over any player and their mental state. Josh included. 
 

EDIT: 

The stadium cost to the tax payers in the area on top of the PSLs…

 

Terry basically built the stadium all on Buffalo Fans money and has maximized how little he’s paid out of his own pocket. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sojourner

[Bangarang]

Pegula isn't going to get rid of anyone unless Josh demands it. 

 

He's kept Kevyn Adams as GM of the Sabres for 6 years now despite zero playoff appearances and icing one of the worst teams in the league his entire tenure. 

 

I would imagine Pegula likes Beane and McD and has given them both a very long leash despite it being pretty clear that this team is unlikely to win a SB under their control. Strap in folks, they're about to be here for the rest of Josh Allen's prime. 

[TBBills Fan]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Not even then. They could lose every game for the rest of the season. We would get a press release from ownership that basically says "While the year didn't go as planned, we are looking forward to Brandon and Sean righting the shop for the grand opening season of the new stadium."

I think in that case, we would see a mutiny and probably some change