What's wrong with Josh?

[Einstein]

12 hours ago, jaybeezee said:

I can agree with your statement.  I also put blame on Josh as well. I saw plenty of opportunities with guys ppen on slant routes several times and if he hit them, they would have gained another 5-10 yards 

 

List the exact plays so we can break these down.

[estro613]

I think Allen has always dealt with anxiety and mind issues related to the pressure of being an NFL QB..it's been talked about and his dealing with sports psychologists has been talked about. 

 

I think he has had issues getting out of a funk when he finds himself in one. Right now he's in one of those mental funks. I think he's even seemed a lil strange during his press conferences this year. Then his "my wife taught me in more than just a football player" quote before the last night game in his sit-down interview with I forget who. Not that the quote on its face is a big deal. Everybody is more than what they do for their job, but to say that as a $55M QB in an interview that's going to air before a football game to me was an unforced error, but Allen said it.

[Matt_In_NH]

More than one thing can be true at once

 

1.  We don’t have great receivers

2.  Allen is off his game.  
3.  The passing game scheme is not ideal

 

the receivers thing gets overblown IMO and while more talent is better and I acknowledge the lack of high level talent but the passing game can be effective with who they have.  The key is two and three which does not require making new rare earth people appear.  

[DapperCam]

11 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

More than one thing can be true at once

 

1.  We don’t have great receivers

2.  Allen is off his game.  
3.  The passing game scheme is not ideal

 

the receivers thing gets overblown IMO and while more talent is better and I acknowledge the lack of high level talent but the passing game can be effective with who they have.  The key is two and three which does not require making new rare earth people appear.  

I totally disagree. Coleman is not an NFL talent and we have a terrible success rate throwing to him (even though he has been force fed targets and given the highest snap count). Samuel doesn’t play half the time. We really just have Shakir and Kincaid as reliable targets. Palmer could evolve into that as well, but he hasn’t really shown it so far (and never has in his NFL career to-date, even with another good QB in Herbert).

 

We must have some of the worst separation metrics in the league, and to top it off, nobody can even get open in the scramble drill. Look around the league when mobile QBs scramble. There is usually a WIDE OPEN pass catcher if they can buy enough time. Even when Allen is scrambling this year he’s still throwing to players where it has to be a contested catch. That isn’t normal even on bad teams. Mack Hollins could get open on the scramble drill and downfield just last season with this same OC and roster. And he’s a special teamer and WR4.

What makes you think we can create an effective passing attack that way?

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Shakir, Moore, Palmer and Samuel are all pretty fast. Seems they just uses each for a few things and none of them have much versatility. So it would seem in this Brady offense. Shakir was running deep routes with Dorsey his rookie year, you never see him run any now. I know Moore and Smauel did more than what Bills are asking them to do here. 

Palmer ran a 4.52.....  Samuel has been in and out of injuries and they are not using Moore properly... we need another #2 with speed. 

[jaybeezee]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

List the exact plays so we can break these down.

Watch the all 22 my friend!

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Watch the all 22 my friend!

 

I have - three times. 

I also chart every play. See my website: http://34.205.139.226/index.html

Back to my original question. What exact plays are you referring to?

[GoBills808]

18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Can you play the press conference where Sean McDermott said he wants Josh Allen to stop making plays? 

 

He certainly did say on Sunday I want a physical offense.. he shot back at the question about running and he did say you can be physical running and passing

 

He didn't say I want to run the ball he said I want to be physical 

 

"I know the value of being a two-dimensional offense. I do value physical football, and it starts up front, whether you're throwing it or you're running it

 

We just don't have brown Beasley and digs to open up the passing game but we do have the lineup front to run the ball and win NFL games and then when Josh needs to make some plays he can and he typically does

 

 James Cook is a great football player and he's helping our team.. I have no doubt McDermott would throw the ball more if we had better wide receivers but everything he said is correct you do need to be able to do both 

 

Our passing game needs to improve but I don't think Sean McDermott is okay where it's at.. he certainly wants it better

 

 

do you think this team is built more in the image of Josh Allen or Sean McDermott? 

[extrahammer]

When Josh has ran the ball this year, to me he seems slower. Anyone else?

[jaybeezee]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I have - three times. 

I also chart every play. See my website: http://34.205.139.226/index.html

Back to my original question. What exact plays are you referring to?

I can't from my cell, but if you watched it, like many, including many analysts like Mr. Cossell, all of them broke it all down. Josh is not going through his progressions and that is a fact. A fact that he has basically admitted,  and for him to be in year 8 of his career, along with having the same coordinator now for a year, these kinda things should not be happening. 

 

Since we are on Josh's weaknesses,  I would also like to add for all those that complain about our lack of weapons for him, he handpicked Keon, Kincaid, and most importantly got Knoxx his ridiculous extension. Josh is the face of the Bills, and was becoming the face of the league to an extent, so don't think he has no pull or say so on who they get him.

 

Josh could easily demand a star player that's proven and Bean would have to move Earth to get him whoever he asked for. He took less money for a reason, one of those being to pay some of his guys, like Knoxx, who is way, way overpaid. Imagine having that 9-12 million free to spend on a quality receiver right now. 

[jaybeezee]

6 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

When Josh has ran the ball this year, to me he seems slower. Anyone else?

Yes, and way more indecisive as well. There are lanes that he wiukd take the minute he saw that his guys weren't getting open and he took it, which put so much more pressure on a defense.

 

When he runs now, its either this calling his own number, which the box is usually stacked against the run because that all we do well now, or he runs after waiting for 6-8 seconds.

[BillytheKid]

8 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I can't from my cell, but if you watched it, like many, including many analysts like Mr. Cossell, all of them broke it all down. Josh is not going through his progressions and that is a fact. A fact that he has basically admitted,  and for him to be in year 8 of his career, along with having the same coordinator now for a year, these kinda things should not be happening. 

 

Since we are on Josh's weaknesses,  I would also like to add for all those that complain about our lack of weapons for him, he handpicked Keon, Kincaid, and most importantly got Knoxx his ridiculous extension. Josh is the face of the Bills, and was becoming the face of the league to an extent, so don't think he has no pull or say so on who they get him.

 

Josh could easily demand a star player that's proven and Bean would have to move Earth to get him whoever he asked for. He took less money for a reason, one of those being to pay some of his guys, like Knoxx, who is way, way overpaid. Imagine having that 9-12 million free to spend on a quality receiver right now. 

The only person Allen handpicked was Keon.

 

He didn’t hand pick Kincaid or Knox. 
 

Now go get in your crib and be angry there. You sound like you need a nap. 

[jlatas]

Obviously I'm no expert, but it seems that Josh has definitely got some issues regarding the way he sees the field...whether its confidence, the 'yips', lack of faith or trust in receivers, unreported injuries, etc, one would hope he is taking advantage of Dr Dez. I see her on the sidelines at Highmark, and she was also in several sideline shots on TV during the away game with the Panthers. It couldnt hurt cuz it sure seems like he is not in his typical headspace and doesnt seem to have his usual swagger or confidence.

[extrahammer]

7 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Yes, and way more indecisive as well. There are lanes that he wiukd take the minute he saw that his guys weren't getting open and he took it, which put so much more pressure on a defense.

 

When he runs now, its either this calling his own number, which the box is usually stacked against the run because that all we do well now, or he runs after waiting for 6-8 seconds.

 

Right? He's known for running like a deer, and maybe it's the indecisiveness or stuttering, I don't know, but it appears slower and makes me wonder about some type of unreported injury. 

[BillytheKid]

Can put this here or in Keon thread but Steve explains why Josh is getting off of Keon so quick and how he actually isn’t open even though people get in the comments and say he is open Josh didn’t wait long enough. 
 

Steve explains why those people are wrong and Keon is a bust. 

[extrahammer]

5 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

Can put this here or in Keon thread but Steve explains why Josh is getting off of Keon so quick and how he actually isn’t open even though people get in the comments and say he is open Josh didn’t wait long enough. 
 

Steve explains why those people are wrong and Keon is a bust. 

 

I like James Palmer a lot. Him saying he had people at the Browns telling him they couldn't believe they got a 3rd round pick for Amari Cooper. 😳

 

[Einstein]

43 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I can't from my cell, but if you watched it, like many

Aka you dont know.

And are regurgitating what others said.

[colin]

allen wasn't feeling it vs carolina, but i heard he had the 9th highest epa per play for week 8.  basically, he's not a fan of the passing game, and isn't playing his best, but that's still nfl top 10.

 

his numbers are just so so similar to what they were week 8 last year, and our WR group sucked just as bad (i think if we throw palmer back in we are a smidge better now) then.  we had the same number of losses, the o looked as bad or worse in our 2 losses then.  the difference is we now have cook running like a hall of famer.

[jaybeezee]

1 hour ago, BillytheKid said:

The only person Allen handpicked was Keon.

 

He didn’t hand pick Kincaid or Knox. 
 

Now go get in your crib and be angry there. You sound like you need a nap. 

I didn't say he hand picked Knoxx,  I said he got him his extension. You should take a nap and come back when your eyesite is much clearer.

[QB Bills]

7 hours ago, jaybeezee said:

I can't from my cell, but if you watched it, like many, including many analysts like Mr. Cossell, all of them broke it all down. Josh is not going through his progressions and that is a fact. A fact that he has basically admitted,  and for him to be in year 8 of his career, along with having the same coordinator now for a year, these kinda things should not be happening. 

 

Since we are on Josh's weaknesses,  I would also like to add for all those that complain about our lack of weapons for him, he handpicked Keon, Kincaid, and most importantly got Knoxx his ridiculous extension. Josh is the face of the Bills, and was becoming the face of the league to an extent, so don't think he has no pull or say so on who they get him.

 

Josh could easily demand a star player that's proven and Bean would have to move Earth to get him whoever he asked for. He took less money for a reason, one of those being to pay some of his guys, like Knoxx, who is way, way overpaid. Imagine having that 9-12 million free to spend on a quality receiver right now. 

Yes, he handpicked Keon. And told Beane to trade down while the Chiefs, Niners and Panthers all selected receivers immediately after.

 

To ensure the Bills picked the right guy, Josh dressed up in a Chiefs #1 jersey and choked out Worthy's mother and then framed him for the crime. He then flew down south and surgically implanted marbles in Leggette's mouth so you couldn't understand a word he was saying. He then booked a flight home to Firebaugh, but took a detour through SF where he shot Pearsall.

 

If I were Ladd McConkey, I'd hire the best private security money can buy.

Edited yesterday at 12:43 AM by QB Bills