Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The telling quote in this BN article is at one point he is talking about the failed flip pass to Ty Johnson. He writes "Allen had no choice but to run to his left to avoid the unaccounted for defender." A couple sentences later he writes "This was another Allen mistake... He could have easily turned and thrown Johnson the football." What a luxury it is to say that after your QB gets out of an automatic sack because of an unaccounted defender and no quick read, that the result of the play is because of his own mistake.

Yeah

 

When I first looked at it I thought 'you know what, he maybe could have flipped his hips at the last second there and thrown that ball normally, kind of similar action to the pass he threw Cook last yr vs the Lions'...then you realize well that's like a 1 of 1 type throw, is that the kind of stuff we need from Allen to keep the offense on schedule? Like is that a reasonable standard of play

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said:

When your defense gives us 360 yards of offense in the first half to a crap team missing their #2 and #3 WR, Josh feels the need to put the cape on.  That’s when he makes mistakes, trying to compensate for a team with no WRs or Defense 

Sure, but when defense and special teams hold the opponent scoreless in the second half (prior to the three points at the end), you need to settle the heck down and take the plays that are there.

 

"Josh felt like he had to!" is a piss-poor justification in a game where he demonstrably did not have to.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

His personality (the good soldier) keeps him from ever complaining or playing hardball. I'm sure he's incredibly frustrated seeing Cook come off the field or wrs incapable of separation. I guarantee you it's grating on him. He's a human being, sick and tired of waiting for McB to help him either on offense or defense. 

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah

 

When I first looked at it I thought 'you know what, he maybe could have flipped his hips at the last second there and thrown that ball normally, kind of similar action to the pass he threw Cook last yr vs the Lions'...then you realize well that's like a 1 of 1 type throw, is that the kind of stuff we need from Allen to keep the offense on schedule? Like is that a reasonable standard of play

Does Mahomes make that throw?  I'm guessing he does.

 

That's Josh's competition, both in terms of money and expected impact.  The whole point of earning that much is that your standard of play needs to be that high.

 

If you don't want the standard to be that high, pay 30 million for a 30 million dollar QB and have the cap space to afford a bona fide #1 on top of tge O-line investments.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Avisan said:

Does Mahomes make that throw?  I'm guessing he does.

 

That's Josh's competition, both in terms of money and expected impact.  The whole point of earning that much is that your standard of play needs to be that high.

 

If you don't want the standard to be that high, pay 30 million for a 30 million dollar QB and have the cap space to afford a bona fide #1 on top of tge O-line investments.

👍I always use Mahomes and the Chiefs as an example

 

Mahomes had a lot of games last yr where he looked like Allen did vs Falcons and they went 15-2

[Casey D]

8 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

And the NE game was?

Let's revisit this post after we lose to Carolina.

All things aside - Josh isn't playing well this year.

Most revealing.  Guy was the favorite for MVP until this week and is now a close number 2. I guess you see things differently than others.

 

I'm sure you will be overjoyed if Allen sucks next week and the Bills lose so you can say you were right.  Sad.

[Avisan]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

👍I always use Mahomes and the Chiefs as an example

 

Mahomes had a lot of games last yr where he looked like Allen did vs Falcons and they went 15-2

That could have been the Bills if Shaq Thompson catches the INT at the end.  The Chiefs had some absurdly good fortune like seven weeks last season to come away with dubs.

[Sojourner]

20 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I'm curious on the 3rd down play. I'm not an X's and O's guy, but I see the Falcons rushed 5 guys and 2 of them were un-blocked. How do the 5 guys on our O-Line only manage to block 3 defenders? Did Josh make a bad pre-snap read? Did the O-Line (with McGovern injured on the sideline) botch the play? 

 

By the time Josh moves on to the Shakir read there's 2 unblocked defenders coming in at full speed on him from a few yards out. If he makes the throw to Shakir he's probably taking a huge hit. Should he have started with that read based on pre-snap stuff? 

 

There is verbiage built into every play that the line will know their assignments. On top of this, that terminology is highlighted and walked through during practices. 
 

That play something changed from the initial call to alignment. And that check was clearly on Josh. Ekitibe (#17) and Eliss (#55) don’t rush or engage at all; both drop into coverage. Alford (#20) doesn’t cover Shakir either which is why you end up with 2 free rushers on that side. Brilliant disguised call by Ulbrich. 
 

On that throw, could have gone to Coleman or Shakir in my opinion. Either that or just run right, Brown was blocking nobody I believe. 
 

Whatever his presnap read was it was taken away immediately so i am guessing Knox?

[90sBills]

10 minutes ago, Avisan said:

One additional note:

 

When a team is blitzing relentlessly and refuses to come off of it, the way to beat that is by setting/hitting the hot route over.  And over.  And over again.  The whole point of blitzing is to force mistakes by getting there before a traditional route comes open.  Blitzing against Mahomes/Brady/Manning/Brees is/was defensive suicide because they would punish you for it again and again.  That level of discipline is something Josh struggles to maintain.  He WANTS to kill you with the big play and improv.  Disciplined blitzing punishes those tendencies while simultaneously baiting a player like Josh to devolve into them.

 

You have to win with your brain in these games, because the defense is taking away the option of winning with your body.

This is spot on! Allen made big strides last season in this area. He hasn’t shown that these last couple of games. I believe he will use the bye week to regroup and adjust. If Carolina’s defense can get to him the same way after the bye this place might not recover. But I think we’ll see mvp Allen in this next game. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

9 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

When your defense gives us 360 yards of offense in the first half to a crap team missing their #2 and #3 WR, Josh feels the need to put the cape on.  That’s when he makes mistakes, trying to compensate for a team with no WRs or Defense 

Our rush defense before the game was 28th in the league.

 

After Bijan completely thrashed us we're probably ranked around 31 now.

 

We had a RB that ran for a 171 yards and 1 TD against our vaunted D-Line.  Never mind the 68 yard receiving as well.

 

How many more times do you all think Josh is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat for us ?

[GoBills808]

Just now, Avisan said:

That could have been the Bills if Shaq Thompson catches the INT at the end.  The Chiefs had some absurdly good fortune like seven weeks last season to come away with dubs.

For sure

 

Like not counting wk18 where starters sat the chiefs went 4-0 in games where they scored fewer than 20pts. I don't think we are capable of that 

[TheWeatherMan]

4 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Sure, but when defense and special teams hold the opponent scoreless in the second half (prior to the three points at the end), you need to settle the heck down and take the plays that are there.

 

"Josh felt like he had to!" is a piss-poor justification in a game where he demonstrably did not have to.

Josh’s crystal ball must have broke at half time.  He should’ve known that the defense would play defense and special teams would block a FG in the 2nd half and that he wouldn’t have to go into grato mode.  Your Monday morning QBing this (Tuesday in this case) to prove your point…

[Ethan in Cleveland]

McDermott apologists never find fault with the HC.

Those of us that believe Josh will win a Championship despite McDermott, can still point out his flaws and bad games. 

As someone else said, Allen self corrects. He will be fine. If not we are screwed.

To date McDermott moslty has not self corrected with the notable exception of getting rid of Dorsey mid season.

[Casey D]

2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Josh’s crystal ball must have broke at half time.  He should’ve known that the defense would play defense and special teams would block a FG in the 2nd half and that he wouldn’t have to go into grato mode.  Your Monday morning QBing this (Tuesday in this case) to prove your point…

That does not make walking around sense.  The Bills in the second half had three or four drive starts with the score 21-14.  Are you saying Josh did not know a TD ties the game?  No day after QBing needed.

[Sojourner]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Our rush defense before the game was 28th in the league.

 

After Bijan completely thrashed us we're probably ranked around 31 now.

 

We had a RB that ran for a 171 yards and 1 TD against our vaunted D-Line.  Never mind the 68 yard receiving as well.

 

How many more times do you all think Josh is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat for us ?

First half was atrocious. Absolutely disgusting to watch but we knew Bijan is no joke and they were going to feed him. 
 

Second half, the last scoring Falcons drive aside, the defense didn’t do bad in comparison to the first. That last scoring drive for Atlanta was defined by one play; the pass to Bijan on busted coverage for 25 yards. After that it was pretty much a wrap in terms of time we would have had left. 
Even then, do they stop the 3rd down conversion if the pass went incomplete? Who knows. The Shaw Thompson potential pick 6 absolutely nailed the coffin shut. 
 

The offense, like so many other games, didn’t put up points when the defense finally started making stops. 
 

The failed 4th down flip to Ty Johnson to end the 3rd quarter… FG is blocked by Rousseau on the drive immediately after. Literally 3 plays and a punt. Not good enough. Ty Johnson and Cook for 9 yards on two downs only to do some BS trickery that resulted in a fumble. Game is in the potential balance. Big boy pants need to go on and bully them for the yard with Josh or cook. 

[Casey D]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

McDermott apologists never find fault with the HC.

Those of us that believe Josh will win a Championship despite McDermott, can still point out his flaws and bad games. 

As someone else said, Allen self corrects. He will be fine. If not we are screwed.

To date McDermott moslty has not self corrected with the notable exception of getting rid of Dorsey mid season.

No one is apologizing for McDermott, he's hardly perfect either.  The roster is hardly perfect too. But neither is Josh.  He played poorly Monday.

[RyanC883]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

👍I always use Mahomes and the Chiefs as an example

 

Mahomes had a lot of games last yr where he looked like Allen did vs Falcons and they went 15-2

 

difference is the KC roster is MUCH better.  

[90sBills]

7 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Josh’s crystal ball must have broke at half time.  He should’ve known that the defense would play defense and special teams would block a FG in the 2nd half and that he wouldn’t have to go into grato mode.  Your Monday morning QBing this (Tuesday in this case) to prove your point…

He didn’t need a crystal ball. They drove down and scored a TD on their first 2nd half drive to cut the deficit to 1 TD. The defense stopped ATL on their first 2nd half drive giving the ball back to the O. 
 

Does he really need a crystal ball to see that momentum has shifted?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

First half was atrocious. Absolutely disgusting to watch but we knew Bijan is no joke and they were going to feed him. 
 

Second half, the last scoring Falcons drive aside, the defense didn’t do bad in comparison to the first. That last scoring drive for Atlanta was defined by one play; the pass to Bijan on busted coverage for 25 yards. After that it was pretty much a wrap in terms of time we would have had left. 
Even then, do they stop the 3rd down conversion if the pass went incomplete? Who knows. The Shaw Thompson potential pick 6 absolutely nailed the coffin shut. 
 

The offense, like so many other games, didn’t put up points when the defense finally started making stops. 
 

The failed 4th down flip to Ty Johnson to end the 3rd quarter… FG is blocked by Rousseau on the drive immediately after. Literally 3 plays and a punt. Not good enough. Ty Johnson and Cook for 9 yards on two downs only to do some BS trickery that resulted in a fumble. Game is in the potential balance. Big boy pants need to go on and bully them for the yard with Josh or cook. 

I guess my counter would be on offense we are currently 3rd in yards and 4th in ppg, whereas on defense we are 17th in both

 

Wouldn't complementary football allow for possibility that the defense play well for 4quarters when the offense is struggling?

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

The biggest sack of the game, he just didn't see coming i guess because the hot receiver is WIDE OPEN in shakir.  He threw shakir out of bounds on a 3rd down earlier in the game.  There was another similar to that where he threw it out of bounds.  Missed the throw to a wide open TJ on 4th down.  

He did not throw Shakir out of bounds on that 3rd down play.  It was a great throw on 3d & long with Allen under a great deal of pressure.  Most WR's would have gotten that 2nd foot down as there was more then enough room to do so.  To be fair Shakir's strength is not making boundary toe tapping catches.  But thatb throw was elite under the circumstances.