Game week thread - Bills at Falcons MNF

[Einstein]

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

But Kincaid was the better Prospect and as such was expected to be the better Pro. It hasn't turned out that way thus far, but that happens more often than not when it comes to the Draft.

This argument doesn't hold water.

Its the PRO scouts and GM's literal job to know who will be better.

[Mailman]

Williams returns this week, but I wonder if they start Shaq at the other LB spot in nickel defense. He has proven to be a solid low key free agent add, and love his play so far. Much better in coverage than 42, currently. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Mailman said:

Williams returns this week, but I wonder if they start Shaq at the other LB spot in nickel defense. He has proven to be a solid low key free agent add, and love his play so far. Much better in coverage than 42, currently. 

Agree, he's really done pretty well.  good veteran presence

[Augie]

40 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This argument doesn't hold water.

Its the PRO scouts and GM's literal job to know who will be better.

 

You realize this isn’t a math problem, right? It’s not an exact process and there are countless factors to take into account. NOBODY knows who will be better until things have played out….and we are far from done. 

 

An experienced Realtor evaluates houses as part of their job. That doesn’t mean they can tell you which house on the street will sell first or for the most money. You make your best call, then see how it goes. Just like the other GMs in the NFL. 

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

This argument doesn't hold water.

Its the PRO scouts and GM's literal job to know who will be better.

What doesn’t hold water? Kincaid was universally seen as the better prospect

[Einstein]

30 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You realize this isn’t a math problem, right? It’s not an exact process and there are countless factors to take into account. NOBODY knows who will be better until things have played out….and we are far from done. 

 

Why *ever* fire a GM then? Just say “eh, he couldn’t know which player would have been better”.

 

If the GM can just blame his poor picks on who the prognosticators believe will be the better player (which was the persons comment I replied to), then there is no point in having a GM. 

12 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

What doesn’t hold water? Kincaid was universally seen as the better prospect

 

So what?

 

Part of a GM’s job is to know who will be better. Not just say “well everyone else also though X was going to be better”.

[Ya Digg?]

23 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Why *ever* fire a GM then? Just say “eh, he couldn’t know which player would have been better”.

 

If the GM can just blame his poor picks on who the prognosticators believe will be the better player (which was the persons comment I replied to), then there is no point in having a GM. 

 

So what?

 

Part of a GM’s job is to know who will be better. Not just say “well everyone else also though X was going to be better”.

You’re using hindsight as the main component of your argument, which negates everything you’re saying 

[Albwan]

 Will the Bills will be in 2nd place in the AFC east after Monday evening

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

You’re using hindsight as the main component of your argument, which negates everything you’re saying 

 

 A general managers job is to know what will happens before it happens!!!

That is LITERALLY their job.

 

Should we have kept Doug Whaley or Buddy Knox because “aw shucks, can’t use hindsight against them!”

 

No!

 

 

[Ya Digg?]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 A general managers job is to know what will happens before it happens!!!

That is LITERALLY their job.

 

Should we have kept Doug Whaley or Buddy Knox because “aw shucks, can’t use hindsight against them!”

 

No!

 

 

The point is there was no one who thought that Laporta was going to be the better pro. If they did, he would’ve been the pick-simple as that. They are making their picks with the information and film they have. The information and film they had at the time, and that every other team had at the time, was that Kincaid was going to be better. This means they are LITERALLY doing their job. So until teams have someone who can see the future, that’s how teams have to handle the draft 

[gobills404]

2 hours ago, Mailman said:

Williams returns this week, but I wonder if they start Shaq at the other LB spot in nickel defense. He has proven to be a solid low key free agent add, and love his play so far. Much better in coverage than 42, currently. 

He’s light years better in coverage and much better at everything else too. If Shaq doesn’t start and play every snap that we’re not in dime it would be absolute coaching malpractice.

[Augie]

55 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Why *ever* fire a GM then? Just say “eh, he couldn’t know which player would have been better”.

 

If the GM can just blame his poor picks on who the prognosticators believe will be the better player (which was the persons comment I replied to), then there is no point in having a GM. 

 

So what?

 

Part of a GM’s job is to know who will be better. Not just say “well everyone else also though X was going to be better”.

 

Do you get a kick out of being deliberately obtuse? I guess you’re just in one of your moods. 

 

You make decisions based upon the greater body of evidence. Josh misses open receivers and makes bad throws on occassion. Should we fire him? 

[ColoradoBills]

34 minutes ago, Albwan said:

 Will the Bills will be in 2nd place in the AFC east after Monday evening

 

I guess we will have to watch the games to find out.

 

See how that works!

[The 9 Isles]

Tennessee deserves more hate. 
 

Henry to Baltimore and Vrabel to New England. 

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I guess we will have to watch the games to find out.

 

See how that works!

 

Do we have to watch next week too? This could get exhausting! Do you know how long a season lasts?

 

We should just get one of those people who can see the future to tell us how this all turns out. Maybe we don’t even want to watch? 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Do we have to watch next week too? This could get exhausting! Do you know how long a season lasts?

 

We should just get one of those people who can see the future to tell us how this all turns out. Maybe we don’t even want to watch? 

 

It's madness I tell you!

[Einstein]

38 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Do you get a kick out of being deliberately obtuse? I guess you’re just in one of your moods. 

 

You make decisions based upon the greater body of evidence. Josh misses open receivers and makes bad throws on occassion. Should we fire him? 

 

I think you missed the context of the discussion you butted into.

 

The discussion wasn’t “should we fire Beane?” - I have been clear on my stance that no one from the current regime should go.

 

The discussion was whether a GM deserves blame for selecting the wrong player. That’s it! That’s all of it. Nothing else. And YES - a GM should absolutely shoulder blame for selecting the wrong player, even if others thought the player he selected was the better choice.

 

They are paid to know the future.

 

53 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

The point is there was no one who thought that Laporta was going to be the better pro. If they did, he would’ve been the pick-simple as that. They are making their picks with the information and film they have. The information and film they had at the time, and that every other team had at the time, was that Kincaid was going to be better. This means they are LITERALLY doing their job. So until teams have someone who can see the future, that’s how teams have to handle the draft 

 

By your definition of a GM (just doing what everyone thinks is the right decision), we could simply fire the GM and scouting staff and simply select draft picks based on the average consensus of prognosticators.

[MphsBillsfan]

I'm gonna say something positive with all the sky is falling around here. 

I'm going to the game and look forward to them getting back on track.  

[Augie]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

I think you missed the context of the discussion you butted into.

 

The discussion wasn’t “should we fire Beane?” - I have been clear on my stance that no one from the current regime should go.

 

The discussion was whether a GM deserves blame for selecting the wrong player. That’s it! That’s all of it. Nothing else. And YES - a GM should absolutely shoulder blame for selecting the wrong player, even if others thought the player he selected was the better choice.

 

They are paid to know the future.

 

First, It’s a message board, so I don’t think I “butted into” anything. 

 

Secondly, if they can know the future, I have much more important things for them to be doing. It doesn’t matter where I came in, this is akin to your “everything but a SB victory makes you a loser” style of thinking. Nobody knows the future, so I guess we are all losers using that thinking. 

 

 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, MphsBillsfan said:

I'm gonna say something positive with all the sky is falling around here. 

I'm going to the game and look forward to them getting back on track.  

 

We are going to win. Have fun!