The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[TBBills Fan]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

yea my first thought was it was a fake to knox and then a pitch to cook or a fake to knox and then throw it to knox in the flat.  

 

I guess it doesn't matter.

There was some miscommunication. Allen "alerted" the play and made some type of change

22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yeah it was a handoff. The question is did Knox forget about it?  He almost looked surprised he was getting the ball. They had the edge blocked up well.  It would have been a nice little gain and a nice little wrinkle.

I think miscommunication. The play was alerted and changed

[Avisan]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

yea my first thought was it was a fake to knox and then a pitch to cook or a fake to knox and then throw it to knox in the flat.  

 

I guess it doesn't matter.

Yeah, Knox is clearly looking for someone to block, here.  Was not expecting to actually receive the handoff.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Allen was the first one to say he didn't play well enough

 

He didn't. It's okay. It's just one game. No one is perfect. 

 

But yes, he has his share of blame for this loss.  And that's ok.  

 

That’s what leaders do. They take blame, even when it’s not their fault.

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

That’s what leaders do. They take blame, even when it’s not their fault.

Yeah and leaders also know when they didn't play their best and take accountability for it 

 

I promise you if either of us could call Josh and ask him hm off the record he would tell you he could have played better and it was an off game for him

 

But we can't. So we can agree to disagree. But I see it as he definitely had some momentum swinging plays he wants back

Edited 2 hours ago by TBBills Fan

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

He’s not open, Gonzalez underneath is trying to bait him to throw it to Samuel . Look at how he’s positioned he’s ready to drive for depth to undercut the throw to Samuel 

Yes and if we had Sam Darnold as our QB I would agree with you.  I 100% believe Allen can make that throw.  I also think Samuel would score if he does but I am open to the idea that maybe he would have been stopped short.

 

But I 100% think Allen can make that throw.

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Yeah and leaders also know when they didn't play their best

 

He played damn well.  71% passing, over 300 total yards and 2 TD’s.

 

30 other franchises would give anything for their QB to play as “poorly” as Allen did last night.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Einstein

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

Yes and if we had Sam Darnold as our QB I would agree with you.  I 100% believe Allen can make that throw.  I also think Samuel would score if he does but I am open to the idea that maybe he would have been stopped short.

 

But I 100% think Allen can make that throw.

I agree

[DapperCam]

8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Allen was out of the pocket. Once the QB leaves the pocket receivers are no longer protected from being contacted by defenders who are playing the ball. The Pats DB played the ball. No call was correct. Had Allen stayed in the pocket, then DPI would have been the correct call. 

There is no illegal contact when the QB is outside of the pocket. That includes things like bumping and rerouting WR when they are running their route past 5 yards.

 

There is still pass interference, and it doesn’t really have anything to do with making a play on the ball. You are never allowed to go through the back of the WR to make a play. It was textbook DPI, and it was just missed.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yes and if we had Sam Darnold as our QB I would agree with you.  I 100% believe Allen can make that throw.  I also think Samuel would score if he does but I am open to the idea that maybe he would have been stopped short.

 

But I 100% think Allen can make that throw.

 

That throw you want him to make is just stupid. Irresponsible even. With significant likelihood of interception. To which you would have criticized him for if he threw it.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

He played damn well. 

 

30 other franchises would give anything for their QB to play as “poorly” as Allen did last night.

He did not play damn well.  Come on.  Nobody on the team other than Kincaid might meet that descriptor.  His pick into double coverage in the middle of the field really hurt.

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

You can go through the back of a wr while the ball is in the air since the qb is out of the pocket?  Since when?

 

Illegal contact is forgiven with the qb out of the pocket but I don't recall when a defender is allowed to go through the back of a wr early and make that play.  It was PI and he knew it and couldn't believe it when it wasn't called.  He was sitting there waiting for the flag.

 

 

When a QB is out of the pocket and a defender is playing the ball, a receiver is not protected from contact. 

[Einstein]

14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Allen was out of the pocket. Once the QB leaves the pocket receivers are no longer protected from being contacted by defenders who are playing the ball. The Pats DB played the ball. No call was correct. Had Allen stayed in the pocket, then DPI would have been the correct call. 

 

No.

 

Pass interference still exists when a QB is outside of the pocket…

 

Shakir was 100% interfered with.

 

Youre thinking of illegal contact. Two different things.

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

That throw you want him to make is just stupid. Irresponsible even. With significant likelihood of interception. To which you would have criticized him for if he threw it.

I wouldn't have.  I am not scared of Josh making that play and I don't complain about Interceptions.  Sometimes you have to take shots.  

 

I have been pretty consistent I don't fear Josh throwing Int.  

[DapperCam]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

 

 

When a QB is out of the pocket and a defender is playing the ball, a receiver is not protected from contact. 

This is just false

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

He did not play damn well.  Come on.  Nobody on the team other than Kincaid might meet that descriptor.  His pick into double coverage in the middle of the field really hurt.

 

Oh look the troll is back. Shocker after a loss.

 

Allen was 71% for over 300 yards and 2 TD’s.

 

He played damn well. One poor pass does not negate that.

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yes and if we had Sam Darnold as our QB I would agree with you.  I 100% believe Allen can make that throw.  I also think Samuel would score if he does but I am open to the idea that maybe he would have been stopped short.

 

But I 100% think Allen can make that throw.

Hmm wasn’t that the same kind of throw he made earlier that got picked off by Marcus Jones because he thought he could zip it in there? Jones isn’t half the CB Gonzalez is.. IMO Allen learned from his previous mistake and went with the smarter option. 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Hmm wasn’t that the same kind of throw he made earlier that got picked off by Marcus Jones because he thought he could zip it in there? Jones isn’t half the CB Gonzalez is.. IMO Allen learned from his previous mistake and went with the smarter option. 

No, that throw was in the middle of the field which was very crowded because two wr were running similar routes at different depths.  That was a really tough throw.

 

Maybe he didn't throw to samuel because he didn't want to risk it since they were in fg range alread but there was a lot of open space and allen has an amazing arm.  

 

I am all for Allen firing away there and taking that shot, again though, in rhythm in the pocket and not after he is outside the right hash.

[TBBills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

He played damn well.  71% passing, over 300 total yards and 2 TD’s.

 

30 other franchises would give anything for their QB to play as “poorly” as Allen did last night.

 

 

I'm not comparing him to other QBs though. 

 

I'm comparing him to the high standards he has for himself and the bar he has set the last 1.5 years. 

 

It was not a typical Allen game. Mistakes are mistakes. The margin in this league his small

 

Again, I am 99.9% sure he would tell Hailee the same thing when she asked about the game

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by TBBills Fan

[DrDawkinstein]

I dont get what he was thinking on our last drive, when we made it down to the 27 yard line, and he started scrambling early and juking DLs when his check downs were open from the start.

 

It was like he was looking for a 10 point play, or the big hero ball, when we just need to keep moving the ball 3-4 yards at a time and keep the drive alive.

 

 

It seems like no could, or no one did, tell him that we didnt need to score from the 27 yard line. Just keep moving the ball, take your check downs, keep the clock moving, and run in the game winning TD with under a minute left.

 

Instead we got 3 "hero ball" shots that went no where.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

I dont get what he was thinking on our last drive, when we made it down to the 27 yard line, and he started scrambling early and juking DLs when his check downs were open from the start.

 

It was like he was looking for a 10 point play, or the big hero ball, when we just need to keep moving the ball 3-4 yards at a time and keep the drive alive.

 

 

It seems like no could, or no one did, tell him that we didnt need to score from the 27 yard line. Just keep moving the ball, take your check downs, keep the clock moving, and run in the game winning TD with under a minute left.

 

Instead we got 3 "hero ball" shots that went no where.

the first play was a screen to shakir that he dropped.  hit him right in the hands.

 

how is that a hero ball play?