Keon WTF?

[TwoFlocksofFury]

9 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

I agree.   One thing that people say on this board that drives me crazy is he "showed flashes", just another way of saying he hasn't done much along with but PFF grades him this.   People try to gaslight what you see with your own eyes and it aint squat.

I always hated the "potential", "he's got potential" crap.

[Billsguy]

Keon "Never open" Coleman is looking like another Beane failure. He just can't get open and he is only going to get slower year by year. What a wasted draft pick. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Buffalo Bills wide receiver Keon Coleman was benched for the first offensive series of Sunday night's loss to the New England Patriots due to "discipline," coach Sean McDermott said Monday.

Coleman sat out the six-play drive that ended with a fumble on a botched handoff from quarterback Josh Allen intended for tight end Dawson Knox. He started the previous four games this season.

 

McDermott said during his Monday news conference that the incident stemmed from something that happened during the week leading up to the game but did not get into the specifics.

The 2024 second-round pick was also benched for the first quarter of a Week 3 game last season against the Jacksonville Jaguars after being late for a meeting.

McDermott was asked if he there was disappointment that another issue created the need for Sunday's benching, to which he said: "Yes

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Good job.  
 

Message sent.  He promptly fumbles as he gets in.  
 

Not exonerating Keon…..but I mean wtf

 

 

What on earth did Keon do ?

[RichRiderBills]

Coleman is on pace for 72 catches and 8 TDs. 

 

Didn't we all say this kind of step up would be awesome? 

 

 

 

[Brandon]

10 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Coleman is on pace for 72 catches and 8 TDs. 

 

Didn't we all say this kind of step up would be awesome? 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately,  it's not an even distribution.  Throw out that Baltimore game and he's got 13 catches for 114 yards and 1 TD in the last four games.  That's less than 9 yards per reception and he's been held to 26 yards or less in three of those four games.  

[RichRiderBills]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

Unfortunately,  it's not an even distribution.  Throw out that Baltimore game and he's got 13 catches for 114 yards and 1 TD in the last four games.  That's less than 9 yards per reception and he's been held to 26 yards or less in three of those four games.  

 

True. But that's usually how it works. Outliers. 

[Brandon]

5 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

True. But that's usually how it works. Outliers. 

 

To some extent,  yes,  but it so far,  his production in four of the first five games looks similar to the second half of last year.  Higher catch percentage,  sure,  but not much else.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Brandon

[DeepPass]

13 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

He had some bad plays for sure but it was not the worse of his career,  I don't see him anything more then a #3 or maybe #2 receiver

Kincaid #1, Shakir #2 Coleman #3

[gobills404]

It’s weird how Shakir’s numbers are slightly down from last year, Palmer and Samuel aren’t living up to their contracts at all, and yet Coleman is the whipping somehow despite being notably better than he was last year.

 

[rajinka]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

People throw this "scheme guys open" saying around like its not the NFL.     Coordinators arent scheming guys open into 25 yards of free space.   The defenders are too smart and too fast.  Your scheme may get a few yards of separation, but it takes both a good release and speed to beat man coverage even if you can get the scheme to work.    Its not just scheme or players, it takes both at a high level of football. 

Then I guess our secondary is even worse then we thought because whether it's man or zone it can be a ps call up from app state and they're wide open. 

[Brandon]

Just now, gobills404 said:

It’s weird how Shakir’s numbers are slightly down from last year, Palmer and Samuel aren’t living up to their contracts at all, and yet Coleman is the whipping somehow despite being notably better than he was last year.

 

 

Shakir has had a high ankle sprain and those can linger for while.  I'm willing to cut him some slack under the circumstances.  

 

Palmer and Samuel haven't done much,  but Coleman plays a significantly higher snap count than they do.  

 

[gobills404]

4 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Palmer and Samuel haven't done much,  but Coleman plays a significantly higher snap count than they do.  

 

Maybe he’s playing more because he’s better?

[Brandon]

Just now, gobills404 said:

Maybe he’s playing more because he’s better?

 

He very well may be.  I'm not sure that's saying a whole lot,  though.  

 

 

[thenorthremembers]

13 minutes ago, rajinka said:

Then I guess our secondary is even worse then we thought because whether it's man or zone it can be a ps call up from app state and they're wide open. 

 

It wasnt just the cornerbacks.   The Patriots chip blocked our defensive ends all game and dared us to get the pass rush from the middle of the defense.  Maye made one off schedule throw after another because we couldnt get to him with the pass rush. 

[gobills404]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

 

He very well may be.  I'm not sure that's saying a whole lot,  though.  

 

 

Yeah I’m not saying it automatically means Keon is playing great. Just weird he’s catching more flack than them.

[nedboy7]

Penalties are as much to blame for this loss.   A professional athletes concentration is not dependent on the HC.  
 

the 5 monumental mistakes in the game. Marino talked about this. 
 

the Knox handoff fumble 

Palmer penalty for lining up off the line. 

The Keon fumble. 
Josh doesn’t hand off to Ty and loses 4.  Settles for FG 

Shakir OPI in the 3rd. 
 

add in the BS missed call on Shakir pass. 

so just dumb mistakes.  I’m not sure this means we are an average team. Although it made them look like it yesterday.  

 

[JBI$111]

Beane has no clue when it comes to wide receiver talent and couldn't make the right decision if his life depended on it. Don't forget passing up on DK Metcalf for the OL bust Cody Ford and passing up of course on Xavier worthy and handing him to the Chiefs for Coleman (when any layperson knew we needed speed in the wide receiver group and there he was for the taking). Furthermore, there were plenty of better receivers that the Bill's could have picked even besides Xavier Worthy who would have helped open up our offense substantially as he does for Kansas City. However, he did nothing in one of the best wide receiver drafts for talent and chose an extremely slow wide receiver who can't seem to separate and can only occasionally catch a jump ball. Even after the Coleman pic which very few people liked, Beane/McDermott could have redeemed themselves as there were plenty of good receivers left in the following rounds, yet he did nothing again and added more useless defensive pieces that have basically not even played.

 

Again about 90% of all the draft capital goes towards the defense every year with little if nothing to show for it and very little on the offensive side of the ball as far as weapons. Beane and McDermott have been doing this since they got here. Josh has a collection of misfit low level receivers every year that basically aren't worth much when it comes to getting open and making plays when needed.

 

And to add salt to the wound, our top three draft picks this year which unsurprisingly from Beane & McDermott are all defensive players, are not even playing and they're all hurt already without ever touching the field in the regular season. Sanders I believe was only active for the first time this week, week five. That's a pathetic return in yet another year where they put all the assets basically on the defense. We have a defensive coach for crying out loud and he still can't seem to get the defense playing decently even with all this infusion of draft assets every single year.

 

The only area where Beane seems to do decently is in the later rounds, but that's not going to cut it and not nearly enough with all the draft picks we've had year after year. 

 

People can make excuses all day long, but it's been a common theme year after year and Josh doesn't have a lot of star talent to work with except Cook really since he's been drafted. Shakir is decent, but not a world beater.

 

You can see I'm still very salty from the loss last night as both sides of the team played pathetically and the coaching and play calling was also bad to put it mildly. 

 

I just don't have faith in Beane or McDermott who never seems to adapt to ever having the ability to get us to a super bowl and win one while Josh is still playing at a high level. It would be unthinkable to waste the best quarterback we've ever had and not get him to the promised land with a win because of the constant coaching mistakes, drafting mistakes and mediocre free agency acquisitions with the exception of Diggs.

 

Ok, rant done for now...lol

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

Yeah I’m not saying it automatically means Keon is playing great. Just weird he’s catching more flack than them.

 

I think it's just a function of relative expectations.   A high second round pick?  People expect a near Pro Bowl level player just on that count,  but the front office also spent the offseason hyping up Coleman,  too.  No one has those types of expectations with Palmer or especially Samuel.  

[gobills404]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

 

I think it's just a function of relative expectations.   A high second round pick?  People expect a near Pro Bowl level player just on that count,  but the front office also spent the offseason hyping up Coleman,  too.  No one has those types of expectations with Palmer or especially Samuel.  

Fair point but it’s not Coleman’s fault if people’s expectations were too high. I personally thought at the time he was over drafted and still do. He’s been pretty much exactly what I thought he would be so far.