A Few Thoughts about the Pats Game - Post yours as well

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I largely agree with you although that particular ref does have a history of some imagined penalties on the Bills. 

That I will take your word for. We don’t get many Bills games here unless it’s a prime time game.. that said If I am remembering right he did let almost everything go in the 4th quarter. No matter what it was a sloppy game for both teams.

[DaVinci]

As the Bills encounter the same deficiencies year after year, game after game,this team is slowly fading from my consciousness. 

 

Glad I didn't mortgage my future for a PSL.

Edited 2 hours ago by DaVinci

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

That I will take your word for. We don’t get many Bills games here unless it’s a prime time game.. that said If I am remembering right he did let almost everything go in the 4th quarter. No matter what it was a sloppy game for both teams.

 

Oh for sure. I don't think last night was some great conspiracy. What I am saying is Bills fans getting to that position are not solely going on what happened last night. There is history with that guy and this team.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:

A few other random observations

 

1. On the diggs catch at end of first half where he had his feet just on the line and fell out of bounds. It looked to me like the ground helped him maintain possession. We couldn't challenge because was within last 2 minutes. Anyone else think that it shouldn't have been a catch?

 

2. I think the league needs to be stricter with calling intentional grounding. There were 2 or 3x last night where Maye was falling to the ground and flicked the ball away just before hitting the ground. The ball was never more than a few feet off the ground and landed many yards before a receiver who was not even looking for the ball. If not a real attempt at a completion it should be a penalty. Thoughts?

 

3. The Khalil drop on the last drive had one other major impact that I did not see mentioned. Aside from the obvious implications of losing potential yardage, it stopped the clock. Had he stayed in bounds, time would have run which would have left NE with less time to March down the field. 

 

Maybe we should have run cook on 1st down to ensure positive yardage and take time off the clock.  Mcd is so concerned at end of 1st half to use timeouts in case we get the ball back. He should have considered the opposite scenario when we are on offense

Point 3 would have worked against the Bills as the Bills used all 3 time outs to preserve time to get it back for Allen. The Pats had 2 and it probably (always an assumption) just makes the FG try the last play of the game instead. 

[Success]

With the Pats schedule - every game we SHOULD win is now a "must" win.

 

I'm assuming we beat them the next time, but they are likely going to win a lot of games. I think we could get away w/ losing to the Chiefs & Eagles.  We need to win the basically easy ones, and probably beat the Bucs (or if we lose to the Bucs, beat the Chiefs or Eagles).

 

3 losses will win the division. 4 probably will, but it gets more iffy.

 

[PatsFanNH]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

With the Pats schedule - every game we SHOULD win is now a "must" win.

 

I'm assuming we beat them the next time, but they are likely going to win a lot of games. I think we could get away w/ losing to the Chiefs & Eagles.  We need to win the basically easy ones, and probably beat the Bucs (or if we lose to the Bucs, beat the Chiefs or Eagles).

 

3 losses will win the division. 4 probably will, but it gets more iffy.

 

I have the Pats finishing 11-6 with losses to Bills, Ravens, Bengals, and Bucs.. the Pats could beat the Ravens and Bengals as they are now but I am going to assume they right the ship late November and Late December. 

[TwoFlocksofFury]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

With the Pats schedule - every game we SHOULD win is now a "must" win.

 

I'm assuming we beat them the next time, but they are likely going to win a lot of games. I think we could get away w/ losing to the Chiefs & Eagles.  We need to win the basically easy ones, and probably beat the Bucs (or if we lose to the Bucs, beat the Chiefs or Eagles).

 

3 losses will win the division. 4 probably will, but it gets more iffy.

 

Besides the Chiefs, Bucs, and Eagles, I see this team struggling against the Texans, Browns and possibly even the Steelers.

[Success]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

I have the Pats finishing 11-6 with losses to Bills, Ravens, Bengals, and Bucs.. the Pats could beat the Ravens and Bengals as they are now but I am going to assume they right the ship late November and Late December. 

 

I could see losses to the Ravens, Bills & Bucs. I think the Bengals is a stretch, though - that's a bad team right now, and they won't have Burrow back by then (I don't think).

 

I'm hoping a team like the Saints or even Jets can pull an upset (the only reason I'm even mentioning the Jets is because it's divisional, the Jets can be surprising at times).   I'm sure you're not hoping that, but I'm kind of curious if we'll see that Pats team from yesterday against some of the lesser teams.   They were so hyped for the game last night.

 

[PatsFanNH]

@TwoFlocksofFury why do you see the Bills struggling against the Browns? Their QB is meh to bad depending on whose playing QB that week.

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I could see losses to the Ravens, Bills & Bucs. I think the Bengals is a stretch, though - that's a bad team right now, and they won't have Burrow back by then (I don't think).

 

I'm hoping a team like the Saints or even Jets can pull an upset (the only reason I'm even mentioning the Jets is because it's divisional, the Jets can be surprising at times).   I'm sure you're not hoping that, but I'm kind of curious if we'll see that Pats team from yesterday against some of the lesser teams.   They were so hyped for the game last night.

 

The Pats have played good Football after week 1.  They have a fumbling issue and I hate blame the entire team when it’s mostly 1 player causing it. IMO the Pats can hang with anyone IF they don’t turn the ball over. 
 

That said they are a younger team (esp on O) so would I be shocked if they had a down game against the Saints? No I am just hoping they are good enough to overcome that against a bad saints team. 

Edited 2 hours ago by PatsFanNH

[TwoFlocksofFury]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

@TwoFlocksofFury why do you see the Bills struggling against the Browns? Their QB is meh to bad depending on whose playing QB that week.

The Pats have played good Football after week 1.  They have a fumbling issue and I hate blame the entire team when it’s mostly 1 player causing it. IMO the Pats can hang with anyone IF they don’t turn the ball over. 
 

That said they are a younger team (esp on O) so would I be shocked if they had a down game against the Saints? No I am just hoping they are good enough to overcome that against a bad saints team. 

Browns have a legit D and a RB that is going to get better each week.

[corta765]

6 minutes ago, TwoFlocksofFury said:

Browns have a legit D and a RB that is going to get better each week.

Gabriel also looked solid at QB and is mobile. Browns might be a spunky team the rest of the year given the talent on D and enough on O to do some things. Granted 5-12 type spunky but spunky lol

[Pete]

29 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:

A few other random observations

 

1. On the diggs catch at end of first half where he had his feet just on the line and fell out of bounds. It looked to me like the ground helped him maintain possession. We couldn't challenge because was within last 2 minutes. Anyone else think that it shouldn't have been a catch?

 

2. I think the league needs to be stricter with calling intentional grounding. There were 2 or 3x last night where Maye was falling to the ground and flicked the ball away just before hitting the ground. The ball was never more than a few feet off the ground and landed many yards before a receiver who was not even looking for the ball. If not a real attempt at a completion it should be a penalty. Thoughts?

 

3. The Khalil drop on the last drive had one other major impact that I did not see mentioned. Aside from the obvious implications of losing potential yardage, it stopped the clock. Had he stayed in bounds, time would have run which would have left NE with less time to March down the field. 

 

Maybe we should have run cook on 1st down to ensure positive yardage and take time off the clock.  Mcd is so concerned at end of 1st half to use timeouts in case we get the ball back. He should have considered the opposite scenario when we are on offense

I thought McD should have thrown the flag on the Diggs sideline catch in live time.  Even after they did a replay, I thought it wasn’t a catch

[corta765]

37 minutes ago, Success said:

With the Pats schedule - every game we SHOULD win is now a "must" win.

 

I'm assuming we beat them the next time, but they are likely going to win a lot of games. I think we could get away w/ losing to the Chiefs & Eagles.  We need to win the basically easy ones, and probably beat the Bucs (or if we lose to the Bucs, beat the Chiefs or Eagles).

 

3 losses will win the division. 4 probably will, but it gets more iffy.

 

12-5 or better Buffalo will win the division.

 

Dip to 11-6 its 50/50 especially if you do not beat NE in their house. 

[WideNine]

I am not saying the refs forced the Bills offense into those turnovers and procedural errors. Those were just poor execution and you don't win games making those mistakes.

 

But Hochuli did not do us any favors with the ticky-tacky calls that kept the offense from establishing a rhythm.

 

Like the phantom hold on McGovern when NE's DT got turned around and tripped over his own feet with a timely shove from McGovern.

 

Most coaches call that finishing your block and I am not a fan of calling holds on interior linemen unless they are beaten on a rep and grab onto and hold the defender from the back or side.

 

Getting pancaked on your backside is not a hold in my or the NFL rule book, but maybe there was something there that merited throwing a flag other than negating the positive play???

 

Legal Block (Finishing the Block)
- If the offensive lineman maintains contact within the frame of the defender’s body (i.e., shoulders and chest) and drives him down as part of a sustained block, it’s considered legal—even if the defender turns away.
- The defender turning his back doesn’t absolve him from being blocked. If he spins or disengages and the blocker continues driving legally, it’s just finishing the block.

 

Holding
- If the offensive lineman grabs the jersey, hooks an arm, or pulls the defender down from behind, especially after the defender has turned away or is trying to disengage, that’s holding.

 

Just one example of why that game was painful to watch like most Hochuli-refed games.

 

 

 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

12-5 or better Buffalo will win the division.

 

Dip to 11-6 its 50/50 especially if you do not beat NE in their house. 

 

I'm going to choose to believe you.  I have a hard time seeing 3 more losses on the Pats schedule, but I'm probably being too hot takey on that.  They did lose to the Raiders & Pitt, and had a very close one w/ Miami.

 

Unless Allen gets hurt, I do NOT see 5 losses on our schedule. Games get weird, but we should roll to a 14-3/13-4 record in normal circumstances w/ our schedule.

 

[boater]

Thought... why couldn't that ****** Diggs play that hard when we faced KC in the playoffs?

 

He was holding back when he played for the Bills. That kind of behavior from a professional athlete burns my britches. His play last night made me angry, still am.

[stlbills13]

I'm not happy with the loss but I'm almost numb to it. All that matters are the games in January/February at this point. 

 

But I know the issues we see today will prevent us from winning in January if they aren't fixed. 

 

1) Tackling - This should be the most easily corrected

2) CB2 - Hell I'm not even sure Benford is performing at a high enough level but Tre has been absolutely picked on 2 games in a row

3) Penalties - Hochuli had a terrible game yesterday but we still have A LOT to clean up in this area

4) General Offense - The offense is good but Joe Brady didn't call a great game last night, Josh missed some easier reads, WR's struggled to separate. Not quite as high priority for me but a lot of things went wrong at the same time offensively last night and it made a difference.

[PatsFanNH]

18 minutes ago, WideNine said:

I am not saying the refs forced the Bills offense into those turnovers and procedural errors. Those were just poor execution and you don't win games making those mistakes.

 

But Hochuli did not do us any favors with the ticky-tacky calls that kept the offense from establishing a rhythm.

 

Like the phantom hold on McGovern when NE's DT got turned around and tripped over his own feet with a timely shove from McGovern.

 

Most coaches call that finishing your block and I am not a fan of calling holds on interior linemen unless they are beaten on a rep and grab onto and hold the defender from the back or side.

 

Getting pancaked on your backside is not a hold in my or the NFL rule book, but maybe there was something there that merited throwing a flag other than negating the positive play???

 

Legal Block (Finishing the Block)
- If the offensive lineman maintains contact within the frame of the defender’s body (i.e., shoulders and chest) and drives him down as part of a sustained block, it’s considered legal—even if the defender turns away.
- The defender turning his back doesn’t absolve him from being blocked. If he spins or disengages and the blocker continues driving legally, it’s just finishing the block.

 

Holding
- If the offensive lineman grabs the jersey, hooks an arm, or pulls the defender down from behind, especially after the defender has turned away or is trying to disengage, that’s holding.

 

Just one example of why that game was painful to watch like most Hochuli-refed games.

 

 

 

They did it to the Pats too. I remember they said illegal formation on the Pats when Henry literally asked the Ref ?per the announcers at least) if he was ok and said yes then threw the flag anyways 😂 talk about doing a man dirty!! 

[corta765]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I'm going to choose to believe you.  I have a hard time seeing 3 more losses on the Pats schedule, but I'm probably being too hot takey on that.  They did lose to the Raiders & Pitt, and had a very close one w/ Miami.

 

Unless Allen gets hurt, I do NOT see 5 losses on our schedule. Games get weird, but we should roll to a 14-3/13-4 record in normal circumstances w/ our schedule.

 

 

Football is weird honestly. I had the Bills losing to ATL and thought they would have handled business. The Pats lost to the Raiders and Steelers at home but beat Buffalo. It is a week by week league and especially for younger teams up and coming like NE they will have a little more variance as they build up then others. The Pats this year remind of 2019 Bills in a lot of ways and that Bills team had a bad loss in CLE where it felt like they should have won that (CLE had lost 4 straight come in). 

13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

They did it to the Pats too. I remember they said illegal formation on the Pats when Henry literally asked the Ref ?per the announcers at least) if he was ok and said yes then threw the flag anyways 😂 talk about doing a man dirty!! 

 

Whoever lost was going to be annoyed with the refs. Both fanbases had a right to be annoyed, the amount of ticky tact crap was stupid.

[Special K]

One thing that shocked me was that the game winning FG was 53 yards, and it looked like it would've been good from 73 yards.