Pats release S Jabrill Peppers

[chris heff]

7 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Whilst I agree with you on a standpoint, the team overall itself wasn’t exactly the same as Vrabel had. 
 

Talent level for those Titans was akin to what McD was working with during his first two; 9-7 & 6-10

 

Helps when you have a GM in synch with your vision and the QB to boot. 
 

This Pat team, whilst it doesn’t have the record from last year to show, is certainly above what he had in Tennessee. I’ll give him 2 years to judge whether it was solely the roster in during those 2 seasons or the combination of both Vrabel’s coaching ability and the team sheets. 

I understand your point, however McDermott inherited a roster, Vrabel let his deteriorate. He survived a few GMs at Tennessee, which would indicate to me that he had the power. He most certainly was making personnel decisions. 

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

I understand your point, however McDermott inherited a roster, Vrabel let his deteriorate. He survived a few GMs at Tennessee, which would indicate to me that he had the power. He most certainly was making personnel decisions. 

Sean hit on a QB and brought in a receiver to help. Don’t see leaps and bounds between the roster building as a whole as without Josh we are clearly an average team.
 

Titans lost their average QB and left tackle to injuries and the guys they drafted never panned out. Wouldn’t say that was letting it deteriorate but I will agree his draft picks and player management clearly have to be questioned. 
 

They were an average team from Fisher to Vrabel and even during his succession and tenure as a HC they were always a team who capitalized on a weak division; not dissimilar to us in essence. 
 

I think, and this isn’t a knock on Sean, Vrabel would have the same success with Josh under center as we’ve seen the last few years. 
 

Only difference between here and Tennesse is the culture. Patriots organization should be different you would think. Again, not the biggest fan of Vrabel and do agree he’s overrated somewhat as a coach but the pieces haven’t fallen into place even with them trying. He’s walking into a better situation… Time will tell. 
 

 

[chris heff]

8 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Sean hit on a QB and brought in a receiver to help. Don’t see leaps and bounds between the roster building as a whole as without Josh we are clearly an average team.
 

Titans lost their average QB and left tackle to injuries and the guys they drafted never panned out. Wouldn’t say that was letting it deteriorate but I will agree his draft picks and player management clearly have to be questioned. 
 

They were an average team from Fisher to Vrabel and even during his succession and tenure as a HC they were always a team who capitalized on a weak division; not dissimilar to us in essence. 
 

I think, and this isn’t a knock on Sean, Vrabel would have the same success with Josh under center as we’ve seen the last few years. 
 

Only difference between here and Tennesse is the culture. Patriots organization should be different you would think. Again, not the biggest fan of Vrabel and do agree he’s overrated somewhat as a coach but the pieces haven’t fallen into place even with them trying. He’s walking into a better situation… Time will tell. 
 

 

I disagree on a better situation, the “Patriots Way” and culture was Brady and Belichick. Kraft’s plan for moving on from them was Jerod Mayo, who pretty much had no coaching experience. Now it’s Vrabel, another ex player from the glory days. I don’t believe they have any cultural mystic.

[Captain Hindsight]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Disagree on Vrabel, unfortunately.

 

I think he's going to make them good pretty quickly. Whether they will become better than that will largely depend on Maye, I think, and how good he actually is.

 

Maye won one game that he started and finished. I get that team wasn’t good and coaching was worse, but I didn’t see a dude elevate his team like some of the elite guys 

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

I disagree on a better situation, the “Patriots Way” and culture was Brady and Belichick. Kraft’s plan for moving on from them was Jerod Mayo, who pretty much had no coaching experience. Now it’s Vrabel, another ex player from the glory days. I don’t believe they have any cultural mystic.

Lol he is walking into a better situation and I am willing to be the culture is dofferent there than his last stop. Didn’t say explicitly what that would be but one would think an improvement. 
He has a QB that as a rookie is just as good as Tannehill was. Plenty of room to grow. 

[HOUSE]

Runs a 4.6 40, #1 draft pick and is ranked #3 overall at safety

Strange he is still available 

 

See #12

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-safety-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-2025-nfl-season

Edited Sunday at 06:41 PM by HOUSE

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Runs a 4.6 40, #1 draft pick and is ranked #3 overall at safety

Strange he is still available 

 

See #12

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-safety-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-2025-nfl-season

 

Why did I fear that that might lead me to Peter Pan? 

 

I think I need games to start….. 

[chris heff]

28 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Runs a 4.6 40, #1 draft pick and is ranked #3 overall at safety

Strange he is still available 

 

See #12

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-safety-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-2025-nfl-season

I don’t think the cocaine possession and the domestic abuse are working in his favor.

[HOUSE]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

I don’t think the cocaine possession and the domestic abuse are working in his favor.

Dismissed 

[chris heff]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Dismissed 

Just a misunderstanding then.

[stevewin]

6 hours ago, chris heff said:

I disagree on a better situation, the “Patriots Way” and culture was Brady and Belichick. Kraft’s plan for moving on from them was Jerod Mayo, who pretty much had no coaching experience. Now it’s Vrabel, another ex player from the glory days. I don’t believe they have any cultural mystic.

"Patriot Way" was also a culture of pervasive and systemic  cheating, unprecedented favor from officials, and benefits of playing in a craptastic division for over a decade.

 

Maybe Vrabel can recapture some of that "culture" with POS human and known repeat offender cheater McDaneils by his side and of course POS human owner. Regardless - he is the very definition of a meathead - can't wait for him to fail.   

 

The one good thing is the Patriots were so bad and irrelevant and pathetic it was getting hard for me to even feel that old hatred.  At least now there is a new fire to the hate.  F meathead Vrabel and F the F'ing Pats***

Edited Sunday at 11:16 PM by stevewin

[Goin Breakdown]

13 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Just a misunderstanding then.

Ahh the classic case of a woman getting in the way when sweating to the oldies and eating pixies stix. 

[HOUSE]

15 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Just a misunderstanding then.

First round selection of the Cleveland Browns says alot 

[DJB]

Why haven’t we signed this guy yet ?

[HOUSE]

9 hours ago, DJB said:

Why haven’t we signed this guy yet ?

The guy must have a permanent  case of covid or maybe lice.

[uticaclub]

18 hours ago, chris heff said:

I disagree on a better situation, the “Patriots Way” and culture was Brady and Belichick. Kraft’s plan for moving on from them was Jerod Mayo, who pretty much had no coaching experience. Now it’s Vrabel, another ex player from the glory days. I don’t believe they have any cultural mystic.

The QB is the culture. If Maye pans out Vrable is a great coach, he Maye busts, then Vrable is another loser retread

[Dunkirk Donski]

Any sightings of this guy within a 600 mile radius of downtown?

[HOUSE]

6 hours ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

Any sightings of this guy within a 600 mile radius of downtown?

Nothing in Ransomville 

[Augie]

6 hours ago, uticaclub said:

The QB is the culture. If Maye pans out Vrable is a great coach, he Maye busts, then Vrable is another loser retread

 

I think this is overly simplistic, and it’s unfair to everyone. A football team is more than a QB. Yes, it is the most important position in sports, but a team is more than that. McD started to build a culture before Josh arrived. You need a good QB to run deep into the playoffs, but it takes more than a QB to build a culture.

 

I think giving all the credit for the Bills success to Josh (and all the blame to McD and Beane) is shortsighted and lazy. He’s the best player in the game for my money, and we wouldn’t be where we are without him, but he’s not the only thing we have going for us. Nothing is ever that simple. 

[uticaclub]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I think this is overly simplistic, and it’s unfair to everyone. A football team is more than a QB. Yes, it is the most important position in sports, but a team is more than that. McD started to build a culture before Josh arrived. You need a good QB to run deep into the playoffs, but it takes more than a QB to build a culture.

 

I think giving all the credit for the Bills success to Josh (and all the blame to McD and Beane) is shortsighted and lazy. He’s the best player in the game for my money, and we wouldn’t be where we are without him, but he’s not the only thing we have going for us. Nothing is ever that simple. 

The simplest answer is usually the most accurate