JDHillFan Posted August 16 Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: Republican senator Joe Martin from Maine...easy search... A maga guy...doing the Russia type politics, with the full knowledge of Trump, as trump meets with Putin on US soil... Joe Martin from Maine will be immortalized as he leads the invasion and conquering of Canada. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻 hang in there big guy. When none of this happens it will somehow be everyone else that’s been wrong. 2
LeviF Posted August 16 Posted August 16 9 hours ago, Andy1 said: Has it ever been “solved”? Trillions have been spent on the drug war, and hundreds of thousands imprisoned and it’s still a problem. And I’m not saying don’t enforce drug laws. Violent crime is the least it has been in decades: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ Ok, we’ll just take that for granted for argument’s sake. From your link: Quote Even though the violent crime rate has been decreasing since 1990, the United States tops the ranking of countries with the most prisoners. Wow I wonder if those two things have anything to do with one another. 1 1 1
Andy1 Posted August 16 Posted August 16 44 minutes ago, LeviF said: Ok, we’ll just take that for granted for argument’s sake. From your link: Wow I wonder if those two things have anything to do with one another. I have been to countries in SE Asia where crime is very low. Punishment for crime is severe compared to USA. Most cops there didn’t carry firearms. As a traveler, I never felt in danger. But the laws also do not allow possession of guns, while we do. Their culture is so different. With our culture and pervasiveness of guns, I think we will always have high crime issues needing lots of enforcement.
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 16 Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Republican senator Joe Martin from Maine...easy search... A maga guy...doing the Russia type politics, with the full knowledge of Trump, as trump meets with Putin on US soil... Bill one of two things is going on in Canada 1) either you have figured out that Trump is going to invade Canada and will prescient that the first military foray of Trump is into Canada, which very few Americans would support. 2) the Canadian government is hyping up every insult and remark Trump makes to make you accept the tire fire your country has become. If there is a third option I would be open To hear it. At the point that 2 FL teachers after tax pay would be in the top 2% of your country y'all are falling behind terribly. 1
LeviF Posted August 16 Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: I have been to countries in SE Asia where crime is very low. Punishment for crime is severe compared to USA. Most cops there didn’t carry firearms. As a traveler, I never felt in danger. But the laws also do not allow possession of guns, while we do. Their culture is so different. With our culture and pervasiveness of guns, I think we will always have high crime issues needing lots of enforcement. What if I were to tell you we could keep the guns, get rid of something else, and have far fewer violent crimes 1 1 2
The Frankish Reich Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Ignore the headline below the pic. Annoying old-time liberal Maureen Dowd has joined the enough crime is enough crowd. My own personal belief about a lot of this: both sides unfortunately reached the conclusion the the War on Drugs was a failure. It wasn't. We did actually arrest and imprison our way out of the crack crisis of the 80s and 90s, but didn't even try with the opiate crisis of the 2010s - today. Legalize (not "reschedule"; actually legalize on the federal level) marijuana and in the same bill go full-on War on Meth and Opiates.
Figster Posted August 16 Posted August 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeviF said: What if I were to tell you we could keep the guns, get rid of something else, and have far fewer violent crimes Black market guns is the biggest problem IMO. With all due respect Levi (Unsecured or improper secured firearms are one of the largest contributors to illegal guns on the street.) I will say however, numbers like this should serve as a wake up call to all black leadership within the communities. Edited August 16 by Figster
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 16 Posted August 16 3 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Joe Martin from Maine will be immortalized as he leads the invasion and conquering of Canada. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻 hang in there big guy. When none of this happens it will somehow be everyone else that’s been wrong. @Niagara Bill When we were kids, we had a lot of trouble getting over the Peace Bridge on the weekends with all the traffic. This invasion is going to take forever if we haven’t seen an increase in accessibility in the last 50-60 years. Citizenship? US, we’re not MAGA tho. Where are you going today? Toronto, maybe Ottawa, eventually. Reason for your visit today? Stones Concert. Anything to declare? 25 guys in camo in the back, buncha M1s, M26s, some surface to air missles, the usual stuff. Fruit….you have any fruit back there? That’s a berry fair question—we appleslootly have no fruit in the vehicle lol. We don’t do fruit humor, sir. We’re Canadian. Sorry, no. No fruit. Have a nice day. 5
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 16 Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Andy1 said: I have been to countries in SE Asia where crime is very low. Punishment for crime is severe compared to USA. Most cops there didn’t carry firearms. As a traveler, I never felt in danger. But the laws also do not allow possession of guns, while we do. Their culture is so different. With our culture and pervasiveness of guns, I think we will always have high crime issues needing lots of enforcement. Switzerland has a higher rate of gun ownership but few homicides. And in major US cities with crime issues guns are already illegal. In American cities most crimes are related to "Ghetto" behavior and culture. 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted August 16 Posted August 16 (edited) 12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Switzerland has a higher rate of gun ownership but few homicides. And in major US cities with crime issues guns are already illegal. In American cities most crimes are related to "Ghetto" behavior and culture. Well, yes, that's the old Michael Moore thing, but in his case he used Canada. So yes, there's something weird about the USA. But I am amazed at how many of our mass or random shooters have had documented mental health issues (often serious) and there is no real discussion of how you keep guns away from them. As for the second point: yes, a lot of this is gang culture. But a lot of it is also drug culture, and I don't mean criminal gangs involved with drug distribution. I mean bottom of the food chain drug users involved in the kind of petty crime that destroys everything good about our cities. The homeless guy riding a stolen bike while dragging another stolen bike alongside him. The car break-ins. The garage break-ins. The rampant shoplifting that makes our drugstores plexiglassed dioramas of teeth whitening strips (h/t Bill Maher). The encampments full of stolen crap the druggies hope they can extract some scrap metal from. The "firefighters" who spend most of their time responding to a collapsed human blocking a sidewalk or a store entrance. I live in a nice urban neighborhood where there is almost no violent crime. But you always need to be on the lookout for the petty crime. Heaven forbid I forget to press "close" on the garage door which auto-closes in 5 minutes, or that I leave a Target bag visible inside my locked car. Edited August 16 by The Frankish Reich
Tommy Callahan Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Brentwood, Anacostia, Trinidad, Deanwood, Benning Ridge, Columbia Heights, Shaw, and Woodland all are places none of the ones crying about low DC crime would go after hours. Can't imagine being the people stuck living in those war zones. Ironically they are not protesting against a reduction in violent crime. Btw. Frank. Pot is legal in DC. Has been for a long time. 1
JDHillFan Posted August 16 Posted August 16 25 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, yes, that's the old Michael Moore thing, but in his case he used Canada. So yes, there's something weird about the USA. But I am amazed at how many of our mass or random shooters have had documented mental health issues (often serious) and there is no real discussion of how you keep guns away from them. As for the second point: yes, a lot of this is gang culture. But a lot of it is also drug culture, and I don't mean criminal gangs involved with drug distribution. I mean bottom of the food chain drug users involved in the kind of petty crime that destroys everything good about our cities. The homeless guy riding a stolen bike while dragging another stolen bike alongside him. The car break-ins. The garage break-ins. The rampant shoplifting that makes our drugstores plexiglassed dioramas of teeth whitening strips (h/t Bill Maher). The encampments full of stolen crap the druggies hope they can extract some scrap metal from. The "firefighters" who spend most of their time responding to a collapsed human blocking a sidewalk or a store entrance. I live in a nice urban neighborhood where there is almost no violent crime. But you always need to be on the lookout for the petty crime. Heaven forbid I forget to press "close" on the garage door which auto-closes in 5 minutes, or that I leave a Target bag visible inside my locked car. Good post. It’s a discouraging world we live in. It’s incredible to watch many on the left play the “nothing to see here” card. We’ve got lefties from Roundy to Hillary Clinton going with “why are you poor babies afraid of cities”. Weird.
LeviF Posted August 16 Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Figster said: Black market guns is the biggest problem IMO. If black market guns were the biggest problem we wouldn’t see the kinds of disparities borne out in crime stats year after year, decade after decade. The founders didn’t write the second amendment for the descendants of their slaves. 1 1
Figster Posted August 16 Posted August 16 20 minutes ago, LeviF said: If black market guns were the biggest problem we wouldn’t see the kinds of disparities borne out in crime stats year after year, decade after decade. The founders didn’t write the second amendment for the descendants of their slaves. https://thegunzone.com/what-percentage-of-gun-violence-is-committed-with-illegal-guns/ This article suggests 60 to 90%
LeviF Posted August 16 Posted August 16 14 minutes ago, Figster said: https://thegunzone.com/what-percentage-of-gun-violence-is-committed-with-illegal-guns/ This article suggests 60 to 90% Except those guns are in theory available to everyone. So ultimately it’s not whether there are illegal guns but whether someone is inclined to obtain and use them. Thus the disparities. 1
Figster Posted August 16 Posted August 16 1 minute ago, LeviF said: Except those guns are in theory available to everyone. So ultimately it’s not whether there are illegal guns but whether someone is inclined to obtain and use them. Thus the disparities. I understand. Guns in the wrong hands is still the problem and until we as a country decide guns in the US need to be tracked. It will stay the problem in my humble opinion.
LeviF Posted August 16 Posted August 16 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Figster said: I understand. Guns in the wrong hands is still the problem and until we as a country decide guns in the US need to be tracked. It will stay the problem in my humble opinion. The rate of gun violence committed by Whites in the US is roughly on par with several of the restrictive European nations that gun grabbers love to talk about. It’s not the guns. Edited August 16 by LeviF 1 1
Figster Posted August 16 Posted August 16 27 minutes ago, LeviF said: The rate of gun violence committed by Whites in the US is roughly on par with several of the restrictive European nations that gun grabbers love to talk about. It’s not the guns. Good argument. Hard to dispute when you look at all the numbers. Touché 1
Niagara Bill Posted August 16 Posted August 16 9 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Joe Martin from Maine will be immortalized as he leads the invasion and conquering of Canada. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻 hang in there big guy. When none of this happens it will somehow be everyone else that’s been wrong. Me thinks you are wrong but hope you right 7 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Bill one of two things is going on in Canada 1) either you have figured out that Trump is going to invade Canada and will prescient that the first military foray of Trump is into Canada, which very few Americans would support. 2) the Canadian government is hyping up every insult and remark Trump makes to make you accept the tire fire your country has become. If there is a third option I would be open To hear it. At the point that 2 FL teachers after tax pay would be in the top 2% of your country y'all are falling behind terribly. US citizens have no control over trump... 5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: @Niagara Bill When we were kids, we had a lot of trouble getting over the Peace Bridge on the weekends with all the traffic. This invasion is going to take forever if we haven’t seen an increase in accessibility in the last 50-60 years. Citizenship? US, we’re not MAGA tho. Where are you going today? Toronto, maybe Ottawa, eventually. Reason for your visit today? Stones Concert. Anything to declare? 25 guys in camo in the back, buncha M1s, M26s, some surface to air missles, the usual stuff. Fruit….you have any fruit back there? That’s a berry fair question—we appleslootly have no fruit in the vehicle lol. We don’t do fruit humor, sir. We’re Canadian. Sorry, no. No fruit. Have a nice day. Now Trump controls your position, project 2025 is in charge, remember deep state, it wasn't dems.
JDHillFan Posted August 16 Posted August 16 21 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Me thinks you are wrong but hope you right US citizens have no control over trump... Now Trump controls your position, project 2025 is in charge, remember deep state, it wasn't dems. Makes you wonder why everyone has gerrymander fever running so hot. What’s the point? Have you always been like this or is it age related? 2
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