Rams extend RB Kyren Williams - 3-year, $33 million

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Yeah, screw protecting Josh. 😂

 

 

We apparently have such a great OL that people give them most of the credit for Cook's success. If they are that great, why are we worried about the RB blocking? Especially with Josh's ability to scramble.

 

He had a league low in sacks last year, even with Cook as our feature back and blowing some blocks. He's already well protected.

 

Adjust to your players' strengths. Leak him out of the backfield and dump it off if the heat is coming. Put it on the Defense to decide to leave Cook wide open.

 

The RB picking up a block here or there is not anywhere near the top of my priority list.

 

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i would argue it's more important for a halfback to know how to block than a wideout

and we love our blocking wideouts lol

 

Argue it all you want. I disagree. Especially with Josh, and especially with this offense.

 

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

For a hundred years of football and still going into the future a third down running back has to block 

 

 

Things change, gramps! About time the Bills be the innovative ones.

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont want my RB to block. This is 2025. Slip him out of the backfield and make him a leveraged weapon and let Josh get him the ball in space if the heat is coming.

 

The blocking argument does nothing for me.

Great backs can block, its part of the game.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

Great backs can block, its part of the game.  

 

Cool. Not a necessity.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We apparently have such a great OL that people give them most of the credit for Cook's success. If they are that great, why are we worried about the RB blocking? Especially with Josh's ability to scramble.

 

He had a league low in sacks last year, even with Cook as our feature back and blowing some blocks. He's already well protected.

 

Adjust to your players' strengths. Leak him out of the backfield and dump it off if the heat is coming. Put it on the Defense to decide to leave Cook wide open.

 

The RB picking up a block here or there is not anywhere near the top of my priority list.

 

 

Argue it all you want. I disagree. Especially with Josh, and especially with this offense.

 

 

Things change, gramps! About time the Bills be the innovative ones.

i mean you cant innovate around simple math lol

 

if they bring 6 there are only 5 guys on the line and the RB is responsible for the +1

 

yes you counter by leaking him out but the defense has counters as well...being able to function in blitz pickup will pretty much always be required of an every down back

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We apparently have such a great OL that people give them most of the credit for Cook's success. If they are that great, why are we worried about the RB blocking? Especially with Josh's ability to scramble.

 

He had a league low in sacks last year, even with Cook as our feature back and blowing some blocks. He's already well protected.

 

Adjust to your players' strengths. Leak him out of the backfield and dump it off if the heat is coming. Put it on the Defense to decide to leave Cook wide open.

 

The RB picking up a block here or there is not anywhere near the top of my priority list.

 

 

Argue it all you want. I disagree. Especially with Josh, and especially with this offense.

 

 

Things change, gramps! About time the Bills be the innovative ones.

Why wasn't cook on the field for the final drive of the AFCCG?  1) he isn't our best receiving back and 2) he nearly got Allen killed the previous drive not being able to block.  You can throw insults all you want, the game hasn't changed, Great backs can block, and Cook can't. Nor is he our best 3rd down back.

[QCity]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The RB picking up a block here or there is not anywhere near the top of my priority list.

 

 

Well it's important to the coaching staff, that's why he's not on the field on 3rd down.

 

Arguing that RBs don't have to block because it's 2025 is a peak fantasy football take. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

i mean you cant innovate around simple math lol

 

if they bring 6 there are only 5 guys on the line and the RB is responsible for the +1

 

yes you counter by leaking him out but the defense has counters as well...being able to function in blitz pickup will pretty much always be required of an every down back

I have realized you can't talk to this guy.  

[balln]

Let’s just put Alec Anderson back at tail back and call it a day! 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

i mean you cant innovate around simple math lol

 

if they bring 6 there are only 5 guys on the line and the RB is responsible for the +1

 

yes you counter by leaking him out but the defense has counters as well...being able to function in blitz pickup will pretty much always be required of an every down back

 

We run formations with 6 OL all the time. We've kept TEs to block. Find the hot route and get the ball out before they even get to the LOS like Brady and Mahomes.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I agree with most of this, except the last part about the fall out. IMO, if the young guys pan out, then Ed and Dawson are gone and McGovern and Edwards get their extensions.

 

Could be though I'd bet more on one of the two is signed and I'd lean toward McGovern..  Will be a bit surprised if both only because they also have a fair amount of O-line backups on 1st contracts too.  Think you need one of them to move up to starter.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Why wasn't cook on the field for the final drive of the AFCCG?  1) he isn't our best receiving back and 2) he nearly got Allen killed the previous drive not being able to block.  You can throw insults all you want, the game hasn't changed, Great backs can block, and Cook can't. Nor is he our best 3rd down back.

 

Big mistake by the coaching staff at the end of a KC game. AGAIN!

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Why wasn't cook on the field for the final drive of the AFCCG?  1) he isn't our best receiving back and 2) he nearly got Allen killed the previous drive not being able to block.  You can throw insults all you want, the game hasn't changed, Great backs can block, and Cook can't. Nor is he our best 3rd down back.

He was on the field the same drive but got pulled after he almost got Allen killed.  Kind of proves your point but the Bills did have him on the field that final drive.

Edited August 5 by Doc Brown

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We run formations with 6 OL all the time. We've kept TEs to block. Find the hot route and get the ball out before they even get to the LOS like Brady and Mahomes.

yes we do. part of that is to facilitate the run game, and also because neither of our TEs is what i would describe as a good inline blocker

 

but neither of those negate the requirement that your RB be able to handle blitzes properly

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He was on the field the same drive but got pulled after he almost got Allen killed.

 

Classic coaches not putting our players in positions to succeed. Should have been feeding our most productive player of that game and the hot hand, not forcing him to do something he doesnt do well.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We run formations with 6 OL all the time. We've kept TEs to block. Find the hot route and get the ball out before they even get to the LOS like Brady and Mahomes.

The jumbo online package is more first and 10 , second and short and 3rd and 2 and less... They might take occasional shot plays out of it on second and short but it's not a third and long package

 

It's not something they really bring out on 3rd and 11 when a defense is bringing a pressure package... When you typically need your running back to block or chip and Release

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Classic coaches not putting our players in positions to succeed. Should have been feeding our most productive player of that game and the hot hand, not forcing him to do something he doesnt do well.

Problem is if you check to a pass then it may require Cook to pick up a blitzer.  A lot of people downplay the importance of run blocking but it is a huge deal imo.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

 

Just now, GoBills808 said:

yes we do. part of that is to facilitate the run game, and also because neither of our TEs is what i would describe as a good inline blocker

 

but neither of those negate the requirement that your RB be able to handle blitzes properly

 

Maybe Cook should politic better in the locker room so he can stand up in Josh's wedding so he can make $14M-17M like Knox who apparently doesnt block well, which I'd argue is a bigger part of the TE job than RB. 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The jumbo online package is more first and 10 , second and short and 3rd and 2 and less... They might take occasional shot plays out of it on second and short but it's not a third and long package

 

It's not something they really bring out on 3rd and 11 when a defense is bringing a pressure package... When you typically need your running back to block or chip and Release

 

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Problem is if you check to a pass then it may require Cook to pick up a blitzer.  A lot of people downplay the importance of run blocking but it is a huge deal imo.

 

Guys, thank you, but I get all this. Im obviously being half facetious in my posts. But it really isnt a show stopper for me either, given Cook's other talents which we have not been able to recreate with any other back we've had.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

 

Maybe Cook should politic better in the locker room so he can stand up in Josh's wedding so he can make $14M-17M like Knox who apparently doesnt block well, which I'd argue is a bigger part of the TE job than RB. 

 

 

Guys, thank you, but I get all this. Im obviously being half facetious in my posts. But it really isnt a show stopper for me either, given Cook's other talents which we have not been able to recreate with any other back we've had.

As I said I'd be willing to give him 11 12 million dollars a year 

 

That's more than fair for what he does

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

The jumbo online package is more first and 10 , second and short and 3rd and 2 and less... They might take occasional shot plays out of it on second and short but it's not a third and long package

 

It's not something they really bring out on 3rd and 11 when a defense is bringing a pressure package... When you typically need your running back to block or chip and Release

not to get into heavy x&o but iirc we ran the heavy jumbo set (6oline plus 2TE) a ton early in the season and were able to get a lot of success w knox/kincaid seam 

 

but as far as actually running the ball from jumbo it's basically either outside zone or duo...it's an exotic look but we aren't doing it to add a gap and get fancy w some zone blocking scheme, we were basically just using it to bash people and try to get defenses out of their lighter sets

 

all this to say- i think cook has it a lot easier running the ball in this offense than he would elsewhere. hes scheme protected in a way kyren williams for example isn't

[Pete]

Is Kyren a 3 down back?  If so, Kyren is 1/3 more useful that Cook.  This should, and Im sure is baked into Beanes offer