McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[sunshynman]

49 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Last year's offensive scheme was about making Allen's play more boring, no? I don't mean that in a bad way. Raising the floor was an admirable goal and the results spoke for themselves. I think Justin Herbert's problem is Justin Herbert. He is missing that spark of pure will that defines the top 4 QBs. That mentality in critical moments that he will make it happen all on his own if he has to. I don't think Harbaugh took that spark out of him, he just never had it to begin with. What Harbaugh did last year is make the best out of a horrid group of skill players and a QB that isn't uniquely talented enough to overcome it.

It's hard to make Allens play look boring. 

 

But McD does preach play smart, some say boring, football. And he doesn't like risks, like the tush push. But he will let his QB and OC determine if and when to use it. And to make the necessary calls. If the D improvements work out, I expect more risk on the D side, during must win situations. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

16 hours ago, 14774 said:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-top-returning-head-coaches-2025

 

Agree or disagree? He has his faults, but I think he fits in the Top 10 somewhere. 

Highly disagree. McDermott gets more out of his players than any Bills coach in recent memory. He’s most definitely a top 10 coach. Don’t believe me ? Then see how long he lasts on the open market. 

[billsfan714]

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Highly disagree. McDermott gets more out of his players than any Bills coach in recent memory. He’s most definitely a top 10 coach. Don’t believe me ? Then see how long he lasts on the open market. 

Marty Shottenheimer got 2 gigs after Cleveland, still never got to the SB.   Good coach, not a great coach.   Pointing out McD would get another job after Buffalo changes nothing in my mind that he cant get us to the promised land.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Marty Shottenheimer got 2 gigs after Cleveland, still never got to the SB.   Good coach, not a great coach.   Pointing out McD would get another job after Buffalo changes nothing in my mind that he cant get us to the promised land.

 

That’s the spirit!

 

Is it too late to call off this season? 

[sunshynman]

6 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Marty Shottenheimer got 2 gigs after Cleveland, still never got to the SB.   Good coach, not a great coach.   Pointing out McD would get another job after Buffalo changes nothing in my mind that he cant get us to the promised land.

You are so sure he can't. But it's just that he hasn't yet. How long did it take Reid?

[billsfan714]

Just now, Augie said:

 

That’s the spirit!

 

Is it too late to call off this season? 

Well like I said, I dont need to keep seeing groundhog day, I think some need to see it maybe 5-8 times before they will get it.

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Let’s play a game. Who is more likely to beat the Chiefs in 2025 and win the Super Bowl with the Bills roster?

 

McDermott or Payton?

 

Honestly I'd take McDermott.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, sunshynman said:

You are so sure he can't. But it's just that he hasn't yet. How long did it take Reid?

 

Hopefully it doesn't take that long because Allen will probably be retired by then.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Well like I said, I dont need to keep seeing groundhog day, I think some need to see it maybe 5-8 times before they will get it.

 

OK, so I’m the slow guy now.  If we win it this year, you can’t be happy and you will be banned from the parade!   

 

We have a good chance every year, things just haven’t gone our way…..yet. 

[billsfan714]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Hopefully it doesn't take that long because Allen will probably be retired by then.

Thats exactly it right there.  Im not willing to waste Josh on a coach that can't get it done, that would be a tragedy.

[Kirby Jackson]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

A long time ago. 

 

I get it you are banking on him having a bit of genius and getting you over the line once. He might have done. It's possible. But his recent playoff record has to be considered in deciding how likely it is IMO.

Payton has been good for a long time though. He went to the NFC Championship after 2006 and took an undermanned Broncos team to the playoffs in 2024. He won a Super Bowl in between then and should have went again 5 years ago. I think Payton is an offensive genius. He’s an idiot but he’s an arrogant genius. He doesn’t tense up in the biggest moments. He pushes his chips in.

[sunshynman]

1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:

Thats exactly it right there.  Im not willing to waste Josh on a coach that can't get it done, that would be a tragedy.

Well, it's too bad you don't own the Bills. Because he's not going anywhere. So, you better hope he figures it out. 

[billsfan714]

Shottenheimer couldnt get it done with an immobile Bernie Kosar, a Joe Montana at the end of his career and a overrated Rivers, none of those 3 were as good as Josh is now.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Payton has been good for a long time though. He went to the NFC Championship after 2006 and took an undermanned Broncos team to the playoffs in 2024. He won a Super Bowl in between then and should have went again 5 years ago. I think Payton is an offensive genius. He’s an idiot but he’s an arrogant genius. He doesn’t tense up in the biggest moments. He pushes his chips in.

 

I think he is a very good coach. No question. But I don't think if my issue is getting over the hump in the playoffs that his playoff record over the last 15 years stands up to any serious scrutiny.

[billsfan714]

2 minutes ago, sunshynman said:

Well, it's too bad you don't own the Bills. Because he's not going anywhere. So, you better hope he figures it out. 

Well keep puffing your chest out on the Jets/Dolphins/post dynasty Pats AFC east championships.   

[sunshynman]

Just now, billsfan714 said:

Well keep puffing your chest out on the Jets/Dolphins/post dynasty Pats AFC east championships.   

Your one of those guys that won't give credit if we win the SB.

 

I want a SB win before I die as much as anyone. But logic says, replacing McD now, doesn't get us one.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:

Well keep puffing your chest out on the Jets/Dolphins/post dynasty Pats AFC east championships.   

 

It seems your valley is not really all that happy. 🤷‍♂️

[wppete]

McDermott is not a top 10 HC. He is lucky the Bills drafted Josh Allen…. We would already have a couple of Super Bowls by now if we had a top 10 HC.

[Kirby Jackson]

41 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Where did I say he should have been fired?  I said without a SB win that missing the playoffs 3 straight years also following being suspended a season is not something many coaches survive WITHOUT the SB win on the resume.  
 

McD's record is better by most measures except the SB win - yet there is no way McD survives getting suspended a season and then missing playoffs 3 straight years with McD.  

 

And to say he is miles better because of some list is silly.  There is no way Tomlin and Stefanski are better HC's than McD and yet they are on this list for example.  These lists are not in anyway proof of anything other than a list one person made and published.  

 

 

So you are giving Sean credit for a 2nd SB win, in which he didn't even reach, because he got a bad call in the playoffs?  So why are you not giving McD a theoretical SB win then after the Refs stole the game this year first not giving Kincaid the first down on 2nd down when he was nearly a yard past the FD marker and then again not giving Josh the first on 4th down when he was clearly there?  That was at least an 11 point, maybe a 15 point swing in the 4th quarter of a game we were up 1 with.  Chiefs got the ball back and scored plus a 2 point conversion to go up 7 when we should have had the first (twice) and were already in FG range and yet would have had a first and still a chance to score a TD as well.  

 

So sorry - to say Sean would have had another is 100% hyperbole as they not only didn't win the game they were in, you don't know if they would even win the next game or not.  And given they were in a game where 1 call could swing it shows they were not so dominant that you can just give them a "gimme" on any other games after that.  

 

I get you are a Sean fan, nothing wrong with that.  But I don't agree there is this massive gap between Sean and McD, and again, if McD wins a SB, his resume will be better than Seans by most metrics, and will have done it with less to work with around Allen.  You spend every offseason criticizing the weapons around Allen, meanwhile Brees had Colston, Graham, Kamara, Thomas, etc and they still won single digits 7 times, had plenty of bad playoff exits, and missed the playoffs 6 times.  

The point was that McDermott and Pegula’s relationship is NOTHING like Payton and Benson. He did tons wrong (pill scandal, other drugs, bounty gate, has a child with a Saints cheerleader). Payton was bulletproof because of his relationship with ownership. 
 

I’m not arguing for Stefanski. I’d argue for Tomlin. He has a Super Bowl and has never had a losing season!! I don’t love his style but he’s a HOF coach. I said McDermott is like Purdy. Someone else said Dak. That’s good by me. He’s a borderline top 10 guy. He’s not bad. He has been BAD in the biggest moments which is why he doesn’t belong higher on the list. 
 

In terms of the 2nd Super Bowl, there is no call, EVER, even close to the Robey-Coleman PI. They kick a 30 yard FG as the clock expires. That wasn’t a hypothetical or a close call. Google, “what’s the worst missed call in NFL History” and see what comes up. If they make that 30 yarder (or whatever it was) they’re in the Super Bowl. They would have been playing a not so good Pats team. That game was awful. Payton’s team would have showed up. 
 

Where we disagree is that I think pretty much any average coach could have achieved what McDermott has with Josh Allen. Lots and lots of guys could have won the divisions that he’s won and the playoff games that he’s won. He has yet to win the big one and he’s had lots of chances. He’s 0-5 vs. KC & Cincy in the playoffs. His defense has been nonexistent. He’s a defensive coach!! You can’t be bad in big games and be considered good. Look at the way people trash Dak and Herbert and Lamar for their playoff performances. That’s McDermott. That’s not Sean Payton.

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he is a very good coach. No question. But I don't think if my issue is getting over the hump in the playoffs that his playoff record over the last 15 years stands up to any serious scrutiny.

He’s 9-9 in the playoffs. He SHOULD be at least 10-10 or 11-9 with 2 championships. That’s better than 7-7 with no Super Bowl appearances. 

[sunshynman]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

McDermott is not a top 10 HC. He is lucky the Bills drafted Josh Allen…. We would already have a couple of Super Bowls by now if we had a top 10 HC.

If Reid had Allen in place of Mahomes in KC, then they probably win some SB's. I doubt any of those coaches come to Buffalo today and win a SB. I doubt Allen is an elite QB if not brought into the organization that McD and Beane put in place.