Erhardt Perkins offense

[Buffalo716]

We are going into year 8 in the EP offense..

 

Which is designed around simplicity and the ability to change roles easily 

 

There's a lot of talk between the EP, West Coast, or the coryell system... Which basically are verbiage systems today 

 

There is a West Coast playbook but when people talk about West Coast they're usually talking about the verbiage system.. how the plays come in

 

The difference is how simple the EP is compared to the complexity of a West Coast verbiage 

 

A typical West Coast call might sound like this. ..

 

Green right x shift to viper right 382 x stick looky ..  and that is a small play call a lot going on .. line calls, receiver calls and a motion 

 

The EP condenses it 

 

F right 72 ghost/tosser .. entire play script..n offensive line wide receivers and running backs know what to do 

 

There's a reason why Bill belichick liked the EP.. and you can flip rolls very easily 

 

It allows for mastery of multiple wide receiver positions and you get out of the play clock sooner 

 

Today's football lesson why the EP is very modern and Josh should even be taking more and more steps being ingrained in the system for so long 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shaw66]

Excellent. Thanks. 

[BullBuchanan]

 

[ColoradoBills]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

F right 72 ghost/tosser .. entire play script..n offensive line wide receivers and running backs know what to do

 

I often wondered about one aspect of play calling on pass plays.

 

Let's say there are 3 WRs.  The OC wants to switch the 1st, 2nd 3rd reads to the 3rd read becoming the 1st because of a trend he is seeing.

Is that in the play call or does he tell the QB that in the headset.  How do the WRs get that info?

 

 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I often wondered about one aspect of play calling on pass plays.

 

Let's say there are 3 WRs.  The OC wants to switch the 1st, 2nd 3rd reads to the 3rd read becoming the 1st because of a trend he is seeing.

Is that in the play call or does he tell the QB that in the headset.  How do the WRs get that info?

 

 

So the headsets only on for x amount of time.. I'm sure you could probably say some things but you have to get the play call in fast and make sure the quarterback gets it 

 

It's not always a lot of time for breaking down what you're seeing.. that's why after the drive they go to the bench and look at the tablet..  because they can get live information back and adjust 

 

Every play is going to have built-in rules... Based on defensive alignment, how many men in the box, and personnel 

 

The EP allows wide receivers to play universal roles... The bills might run  11 personnel a bunch... But the EP allows them to line up in a whole bunch of different alignments... Whether they're under center or out of shotgun 

 

And the roles are defined... Ghost tosser means the same thing to Coleman whether he's at the x or in the slot 

 

Hot reads are determined by as I said earlier personal how many in the box, defensive alignment etc 

[Sierra Foothills]

Did you guys know that a 21 Formation is thus called because it has 2 running backs and 1 tight end?

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It's not always a lot of time for breaking down what you're seeing.. that's why after the drive they go to the bench and look at the tablet..  because they can get live information back and adjust 

 

Every play is going to have built-in rules... Based on defensive alignment, how many men in the box, and personnel 

 

Hot reads are determined by as I said earlier personal how many in the box, defensive alignment etc 

 

I get the rules and the hot reads.  Both are driven by the players on the field.  I see your point about the iPad on the sidelines.

 

I guess I wonder how much the OC can influence the nuances of plays during the drive with what he and his guys are seeing and how he

could get the info the players.

 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I get the rules and the hot reads.  Both are driven by the players on the field.  I see your point about the iPad on the sidelines.

 

I guess I wonder how much the OC can influence the nuances of plays during the drive with what he and his guys are seeing and how he

could get the info the players.

 

Before they come out for their drive.. they've been looking at the tablet and looking how the defense has been playing them 

 

 that will give them an idea about how they want to attack them and potentially taking what used to be your second or third read and making it your primary read if that's what the defense is giving you

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I get the rules and the hot reads.  Both are driven by the players on the field.  I see your point about the iPad on the sidelines.

 

I guess I wonder how much the OC can influence the nuances of plays during the drive with what he and his guys are seeing and how he

could get the info the players.

 

They also have a bird's eye view sitting in the box.. where most offensive coordinators are sitting 

 

So they have a good vantage point over the whole field and allows them to see potential soft spots in the defense that are opening up that are tougher to see a ground level.. that alone can influence his play calling throughout a drive if he is able to pinpoint where the defense is getting stretched

 

 and during a timeout or potentially quick after the play he can relay some quick nuggets like the shell that they're sitting in

Edited 7 hours ago by Buffalo716

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Before they come out for their drive.. they've been looking at the tablet and looking how the defense has been playing them 

 

 that will give them an idea about how they want to attack them and potentially taking what used to be your second or third read and making it your primary read if that's what the defense is giving you

 

Just to let you know why I'm asking.

 

It seems to me that Brady is establishing this "everybody eats" system as a true offensive scheme.  

If the team (for the sake of argument) has a bunch of WR2s, distributing the ball to the correct player becomes pretty important.

More so than if you have a Ja'Marr Chase who gets the lion's share.

 

I think his system has a good chance of success.  I just wonder how much his doing is and how much is the players responsibility.

Espceially Josh's.

 

Thanks for your knowledge and input!

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Just to let you know why I'm asking.

 

It seems to me that Brady is establishing this "everybody eats" system as a true offensive scheme.  

If the team (for the sake of argument) has a bunch of WR2s, distributing the ball to the correct player becomes pretty important.

More so than if you have a Ja'Marr Chase who gets the lion's share.

 

I think his system has a good chance of success.  I just wonder how much his doing is and how much is the players responsibility.

Espceially Josh's.

 

Thanks for your knowledge and input!

 

The system is designed to make players have to think less on the field which should make them play faster 

 

People always talk about 40 times but there is a true difference between game speed and underwear speed

 

Even a player who runs a 4.40 but is not up to speed on the terminology or his role in the play will play slow... Look out of place 

 

But a guy who runs a 4.6.. who understands the system and his defined role no matter where it is, is going to look like he plays a lot faster

 

So it's about maximizing what you do good, being able to do it in any personnel to keep the defense on its heels

 

And letting the players play fast because they don't have to think too much about a super complicated play call... Because if you're doing too much thinking you're not playing fast

[GunnerBill]

The difference between the EP and what I call the spread varience of the WCO is both verbiage and choice. 

 

The verbiage is different and in the WCO the WR rules are stricter. In the EP you rely on the QB and the WR interpreting the rules of the play the same more.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The difference between the EP and what I call the spread varience of the WCO is both verbiage and choice. 

 

The verbiage is different and in the WCO the WR rules are stricter. In the EP you rely on the QB and the WR interpreting the rules of the play the same more.

Again if you're just talking about a West Coast playing style.. you can adopt that in a Earhart Perkins system.. West Coast system was short passes being an extension of the run.. motion zone running.. misdirection 

 

All of that was built on top of the verbiage system 

 

The differences that the EP is simple.. ghost tosser means the same whether they're an 11 personnel 21 personnel or 12 personnel 

 

It would have three different calls under the West Coast verbiage.. some might be 20 word play calls.. it is more strictly defined because everything is spelled out

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Again if you're just talking about a West Coast playing style.. you can adopt that in a Earhart Perkins system.. West Coast system was short passes being an extension of the run.. motion zone running.. misdirection 

 

All of that was built on top of the verbiage system 

 

The differences that the EP is simple.. ghost tosser means the same whether they're an 11 personnel 21 personnel or 12 personnel 

 

It would have three different calls under the West Coast verbiage.. some might be 20 word play calls.. it is more strictly defined because everything is spelled out

 

Yea. In the WCO the play call is more defined for the receivers. If your QB is a general the EP is better for you. If your QB is a paint by numbers guy run the WCO.

[Buffalo716]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. In the WCO the play call is more defined for the receivers. If your QB is a general the EP is better for you. If your QB is a paint by numbers guy run the WCO.

For sure 

 

A guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick thrived in a West Coast system 

 

Onscript he was literally tremendous when he was on fire he was one of the best in the world... Off script he quickly turned to meh

 

Except when he took off and ran and then he had some skill 

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[WotAGuy]

Early in our marriage, I was running the WCO, but nowadays it’s EP - everything is condensed. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Early in our marriage, I was running the WCO, but nowadays it’s EP - everything is condensed. 

 

I keep my other half in a strict under center run first out of the I scheme situation. 

[Fan in Chicago]

41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. In the WCO the play call is more defined for the receivers. If your QB is a general the EP is better for you. If your QB is a paint by numbers guy run the WCO.

Basically, Allen and Purdy 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Basically, Allen and Purdy 

Yes but that's not always  the case 

 

John elway one of his two super bowls with shanahan in the West Coast offense.. and elway had the ability to play on script or he was the best improviser of his time

[K-9]

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[WotAGuy]

Diggs sucks F him on two