UPDATE: ISRAEL v IRAN - Ceasefire reached?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

I've done that a few too many times in my life. John deere tractor and 72" mower deck gone! Get a zero turn mower.  Way better cutting job. 

not if you have steeps to mow.  tractor with weights is much safer.

[4th&long]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

not if you have steeps to mow.  tractor with weights is much safer.

I don't have that. I had my John deer for 25 years, I don't miss it. 

[BillsFanNC]

13 minutes ago, muppy said:

is it possible that people Want the military exercise to be an unqualified success,  Elimination of nuclear threat accomplished. YAY for how long?  Hopefully forever.

 

AGAIN the fact a person would like some assurances and proof is not only reasonable but essential to process how effective said bombings were. 

 

I would tend to trust our military did a great job and hit targets intended. they acted well IMO

 

But please let me say this for the simps that think questioning the bombings effectiveness is  somehow traitorous, unAmerican and wrong

 

what a crock of mierda.

 

With more facts being made will take care of a LOT of doubts. Until that happens, and it seems to be happening, give me a break on the unamerican traitor smack. It's weak and makes you sound foolish. Yes Im talking to YOU Naranja

 

The person(s) who leaked the preliminary intelligence are criminals.

 

Information from the leaked report was then cherry picked to purposely cast doubt on the entire mission. And reliable media outlets dutifully ran with that ball, again.

 

That was the purpose of the press conference, to counter this incessant spin and narrative to downplay the merits of anything the orange menace is involved with.

 

Two things can be true:

 

The orange gasbag delivers messages in bombastic and arrogant tones that can be off putting to many (most).

 

And...

 

He is surrounded by competent and well trained advisors on a variety of levels who know exactly what they are doing.

[4th&long]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

It’s not besides the point. Even if they were able to move the uranium, of which there’s no evidence, they need those facilities to weaponize it.

No doubt. Having the uranium is the big thing, building or rebuilding a facility? Not so much? 

In any case let's hope they stopped them from being able to build a nuke. I would like to believe trump, it's his own fault for being a pathological liar that people want evidence. 

 

If he wants that nobel peace prize so bad he should work on uniting or country! I'll personally hand him the award if he can do that! 

 

The son of a bi tch wants to unite the world but divide our county. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

37 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

I've done that a few too many times in my life. John deere tractor and 72" mower deck gone! Get a zero turn mower.  Way better cutting job. 

Thanks, I might have to. This John Deere is also smaller than I need, it turns out 

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

Relentless misjudgment and stupidity.

So you know the initial intel report was wrong? 

 

How can you possible know that? 

 

Adhomin attacks are a sign of weakness 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Obama‘s deal was as worthless as the paper it was signed on. Your bias prevents you from acknowledging that fact.  On one hand, you say that we don’t know where the sites are that are holding nuclear material and facilities while on the other hand you’re saying that Iran wouldn’t have been able to enrich uranium without us knowing about it.  

No, it was working. Talk about political bias and myopia! 

 

15 years vs. (maybe) a few years.

 

Trump can't stand up to tough guy Bibi, Obama did. 

[stevestojan]

25 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

The person(s) who leaked the preliminary intelligence are criminals.

 

Information from the leaked report was then cherry picked to purposely cast doubt on the entire mission. And reliable media outlets dutifully ran with that ball, again.

 

That was the purpose of the press conference, to counter this incessant spin and narrative to downplay the merits of anything the orange menace is involved with.

 

Two things can be true:

 

The orange gasbag delivers messages in bombastic and arrogant tones that can be off putting to many (most).

 

And...

 

He is surrounded by competent and well trained advisors on a variety of levels who know exactly what they are doing.

Very difficult to argue with this post. 👍

[Big Blitz]

Absolutely embarrassing to still be listening to ANYTHING coming from the media without the strictest scrutiny imaginable 

 

 

 

[Doc]

24 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

No doubt. Having the uranium is the big thing, building or rebuilding a facility? Not so much? 

In any case let's hope they stopped them from being able to build a nuke. I would like to believe trump, it's his own fault for being a pathological liar that people want evidence. 

 

If he wants that nobel peace prize so bad he should work on uniting or country! I'll personally hand him the award if he can do that! 

 

The son of a bi tch wants to unite the world but divide our county. 

Agree with most of what you said except for the last part.  I don’t see the Dems trying to unite the country. Especially Biden.

[dgrochester55]

Trump: We wiped out all nuclear sites

 

The UN: Stating that Trump was successful in this operation, while using an analogy of a father breaking up a fight (which the media of course took out of context by pretending that analogies and metaphors don't exist) to demonstrate how successful they thought it was.

 

Us Intel: Severe damage was done in Iran, but we do not know how much yet

 

Most People: This was a good thing, we did not need Iran as a nuclear threat

 

Many democrats: We still don't like Trump, but I am glad this happened, this individual attack was a success..

 

CNN, and NYT: Well technically he didnt do anything because we don't know if it is mostly or completely gone, and the Iranian leader said that no damage was done, so we will take his word for it and assume that Trump failed.

 

This is yet another out of thousands of reasons why no one should see mainstream media as having any credibility anymore. They aren't just slanted towards a side anymore, they are so against one person and consumed by it, that they put themselves in a position of defending and rooting for an enemy country and taking the word of their leader over ours.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by dgrochester55

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/26/trump-presidency-news/

 

Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, declined Thursday to echo President Donald Trump’s assessment that the United States “obliterated” Iran’s nuclear sites with recent airstrikes.

“We don’t do BDA,” Caine said during a Pentagon news conference, using the abbreviation for battle damage assessment. “I’ll refer that to the intelligence community.”

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth interjected moments later and said he — not Caine — is responsible for public messaging around the attack. “I can use the word ‘obliterated,’” Hegseth said, adding that he is extremely intoxicated, so take that for what you will. 🤣

Caine later denied feeling any political pressure on how to characterize the impact of the strikes. “No, I have not, and no, I would not,” Caine said.

 

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But we have satellites, blah blah 

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Absolutely embarrassing to still be listening to ANYTHING coming from the media without the strictest scrutiny imaginable 

 

 

 

Point still stands, Obama had a deal to push it back 15 years. This only pushes it back a few at most 

[sherpa]

37 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

 

So you know the initial intel report was wrong? 

 

How can you possible know that? 

 

 

This is what I mean by relentless stupidity.

I have never claimed anything was right or wrong.

So you pose the question about something I have never said and then ask me how I could know that?

 

There's nothing ad hominem about it.

It's just stupid.

 

And regarding the silly comment from another poster suggesting the Iranians didn't engage the strike group because they didn't want to get into a larger thing with the US, do you know what was in that strike group and what the results would have been if they lit it up, or at least lit up what they could see?

 

I guess that's why they allowed the Israelis to take out their air defense, IRGC command structure and a good deal of their above ground nuc program.

[Big Blitz]

 

 

4 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

But we have satellites, blah blah 

Point still stands, Obama had a deal to push it back 15 years.
 

Not according to intel sources (Germany):

 

Iran Is Cheating on the Nuclear Deal

Post by Elliott Abrams

 

July 11, 2016 11:57 am (EST)
 

https://www.cfr.org/blog/iran-cheating-nuclear-deal

 

 

4 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

 

 

This only pushes it back a few at most 

 

Where is the source for this?  

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Not according to intel sources (Germany):

 

Iran Is Cheating on the Nuclear Deal

Post by Elliott Abrams

 

July 11, 2016 11:57 am (EST)
 

https://www.cfr.org/blog/iran-cheating-nuclear-deal

 

 

 

Where is the source for this?  

Like I said, he’s talking about both sides of his mouth. On one hand, he trust that I ran would comply with the JCPO away to the letter but here we can’t know what they have and where they have it.

[Wacka]

Anything in the mountain they bombed  with the MOAB/ biker buster is either hamburger (tissue), shrapnel (metal) or buried under tons of rock. The compression wave in the constricted tunnels  is magnified (simple physics).

Remember, they tested oe of these at Pensacola (I think) and had to warn people it was not an earthquake of a nuke.

[Roundybout]

51 minutes ago, Doc said:

Agree with most of what you said except for the last part.  I don’t see the Dems trying to unite the country. Especially Biden.

Biden specifically messaged on being “a president for all Americans”

[JDHillFan]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Biden specifically messaged on being “a president for all Americans”

I love that you decided to hit submit reply on this. An absolute masterpiece. 

[Roundybout]

10 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I love that you decided to hit submit reply on this. An absolute masterpiece. 

You can laugh all you want, it’s a direct quote from him. 

[SCBills]

20 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Biden specifically messaged on being “a president for all Americans”

Oh, well if he messaged on it…

 

His Administration betrayed Americans by opening the borders, divided us on race & gender and tried to other the unvaccinated.

 

Unless the point your making is that all politicians lie, no idea what the importance of that post was. 
 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by SCBills

[sherpa]

23 minutes ago, Wacka said:

 

Remember, they tested oe of these at Pensacola (I think) and had to warn people it was not an earthquake of a nuke.

 

I don't think it was Pensacola, birthplace of Naval Air, (tear in eye for the memories). 

The sandy base and potential for a tsunami from the Gulf, as well as being impossible to hide argues against that.

 

I believe the testing was done at the White Sands, New Mexico, facility.

A lot of recent work was done on the fuse, especially the recent addition of a "void" detonation capability, which allows it to detonate if it penetrates and finds an open area, like a large area where "work" is being done. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Absolutely embarrassing to still be listening to ANYTHING coming from the media without the strictest scrutiny imaginable 

 

 

 

CNN/NYT are absolute trash for what they did.  But we knew that already.

 

No level of “new evidence” backtracking will erase how deranged our press is regarding anything Trump related.